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post #781 of 7074
Yes to all of those. I see the exact same thing. Annoying, isn't it?
post #782 of 7074
Quote:


Originally posted by jake14mw
Noticed the following issues with Comcast last night. Can those who have Comcast let me know if you get the same thing?

1) InHD was blank. The show listing said NBA basketball, but there was nothing.
2) My 3100HD box consistantly has trouble not having the picture show up after changing channels in the HD channels. I have to channel up and then down to get the signal to come in.
3) Whenever there is an SD program on an HD channel, there is either a horizontal white line accross the top of the picture or some other kind of noise up there.
4) On some HD shows, there is a solid thin vertical green line down the right side of the picture.

Another thing that I don't think is a Comcast issue is on ESPN. That $@#

1) NBA is black out in the area as per another thread or a previous post.

2) Have a similar problem. Mine is the result of the card in the TV. Had the same problem on another video input and it went away when I had it replaced. Sony XBR65

3) Haven't noticed but will look.

4) Haven't noticed but will look.
post #783 of 7074
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Originally posted by thehud2112
24 will not be on tomorrow night.
It returns Tuesday March 30th. Hopefully WTIC-DT will be fully operational by then! I am getting the color bars on 61-1 with a 100% signal here on Long Island!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

4 weeks off! The HORROR!
post #784 of 7074
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Originally posted by scottte
anybody have any new info as of 8:20 am on tuesday for WTICDT?? I am still getting nothing, no signal on 31-1 or 61-1. It's not just a black screen, but my Hughes HTL is not seeing a signal at all. I saw someone in Long Island was getting the signal, but me on the shore line of connecticut - nothing!?!?!?!

Please let me know what you are seeing right now as if I poing my antenna at Rattle Snake Mountain, I get nothing, and even if I spin it all around the dial. As I mentioned prior, I sure hope they are at low power right now!!!

scottte

It's 10:40 and WTIC-DT is on!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #785 of 7074
100% signal here in Prospect,looks great!!! Come on WVIT!! Jim
post #786 of 7074
Thread Starter 
Had trouble with my last post, I went back and added the following:

On ESPN, that $@#ing bottom line crawler that they insist on keeping on the screen is maddening. The worst part is, on the SD broadcast, it is as far down on the screen as possible. On ESPN HD though, it is one "line" up. What I mean is, there is screen space under the crawler that the crawler could fit in. Why can't they move it down so it' takes up a smaller percentage of the picture. Is this just my display, or do other people see it too?
post #787 of 7074
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Originally posted by Jrek
100% signal here in Prospect,looks great!!! Come on WVIT!! Jim

Not a peep up here in Chester, MA..
post #788 of 7074
If WTICDT is on line now, could we please get alot of reports of reception (percentages if your stb has that feature for OTA) and locations, thanks!!!

scottte

P.S. do we know if they are at full power at this point, and if not, are they boosting it soon????
post #789 of 7074
Quote:


Originally posted by jake14mw
Had trouble with my last post, I went back and added the following:

On ESPN, that $@#ing bottom line crawler that they insist on keeping on the screen is maddening. The worst part is, on the SD broadcast, it is as far down on the screen as possible. On ESPN HD though, it is one "line" up. What I mean is, there is screen space under the crawler that the crawler could fit in. Why can't they move it down so it' takes up a smaller percentage of the picture. Is this just my display, or do other people see it too?

On my Mits 55511 and Sony HD-200 it is on the bottom.
post #790 of 7074
Time: 11:30am
Location: Newtown, CT 06470
Distance to Tower: 41.7mi
Direction to Tower: 62.5°
Antenna: Blake JBX21WB
Pre-amp: Channelmaster 7777
Receiver: Samsung SIR-T150

No signal - not even a blip

I do receive analog ch 61 beautifully
post #791 of 7074
Quote:


Originally posted by scottte
If WTICDT is on line now, could we please get alot of reports of reception (percentages if your stb has that feature for OTA) and locations, thanks!!!

scottte

P.S. do we know if they are at full power at this point, and if not, are they boosting it soon????

I am in Cheshire. My Sony HD-200 doesn't have a % meter,
but it shows about 75-80%, as my best guess.
post #792 of 7074
Windsor checking in...

As of last night I was getting WTIC colorbars at approx 79-82% on my Dish 6000.
I'll check when I get home tonight. I'm 15.7 mi. from tower (according to antennaweb).

Andy
post #793 of 7074
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Originally posted by JVanderwalker
I get a solid 100 up here on WTICDT with color bars on top with a solid red bottom. I see above that ch20 (dt ch 12) is on the same tower as WTIC. I can only get a 20 on that signal. Are they (WTXX) at low power?
Jim

That's odd. I don't get that big a difference. I get WTXX-DT at around 90% and WTIC-DT colorbars at 79-82% (as of 3/1 PM). I wonder why you have sucha difference between them?

Oh wait. Could it be a UHF/VHF issue? WTIC is UHF (31), WTXX is VHF (12).
post #794 of 7074
scottte, I am the guy getting the signal from Long Island. You have to also remember that you should also ask what kind of antennas people are using. Reception signal strength is also based on antenna setup. I am able to get a 100% signal because I have a powerful (and large) VHF/UHF antenna that is perched on top of my chimney of my 2 story house. I am about 1 mile from the Long Island Sound. On top of that, I have a ChannelMaster preamp hooked up to my antenna. I am at work now, so I will check my signal strength again when I get home.

When I type my zip code in antennweb.org, WTIC-DT doesn't even show up in my list!!! I am even getting WFSB-DT at about 60% even with their low power.
post #795 of 7074
thehud2112,

excellent point....

I have a channel master 4228 with cm 7777 amp on top of my single story garage. You must be at a great elevation along the water as I have never even seen a blip of WFSB!!! This hobby is enough to drive ya nuts, isn't it!!!!! Could call cablevision and get th IO hookup with all networks except ABC which I get via WTNH, but now what fun would that be!!!!!!

scottte
post #796 of 7074
thehud2112,

After looking on the map, I am probably only 2 miles west of you taking into account pointing towards Rattle Snake mountain. Obviously the water helps the signal travel, but it is a good sign to see that it is making to the shoreline so I gotta figure out what is going on here. Maybe if I get the antenna raised to the top of my 2 story house that may help. I really wonder if one floor would make that much of a difference though??????

What direction do you have your antenna pointed??? I assume it is somewhere around 30 degrees or so??? Let me know, thanks.

scotte
post #797 of 7074
The numbers displayed by ATSC set top boxes and software with tuner cards indicate some arbitrary signal reading - but are not normally percentages. I would not consider it useful to compare the readings from two different boxes (or PC software with computer tuner cards). Comparing the numbers from the same boxes would be useful.

The ATSC broadcasts represent a continuous bit stream of about 19.39 mbps (mega bits per second). In that transmission stream there are a lot of PID's. You can consider a PID to be information or data ... there's some standard ones every transmission needs to have ... and then some that would depend on what is being encoded and sent (unique to each station).

Your set top box / ATSC receiver may detect an ATSC transmission ... the PID with the basic info on what's being transmitted is usually quite small - representing something like 18 kilobits per second of data - and can be easily decoded as it is pretty minimal info. (As you can see, it's a very small percentage of the entire transmission.)

You may notice your tuner stopping on channels that have ATSC transmissions ... but those channels may later not show up in your list of available channels. That would likely be due to too not being able to lock onto the ATSC signal and/or having too high of an error rate. Your box may have detected the basic info but was otherwise unable to really decode reliably the whole stream.

The meters (numbers) that the STB displays may be related to the RF levels ... or they may be related to the bit error rates, the latter IMO would be more desirable. For example: you could have a whopping RF signal, but if you have a bad multi-path problem it could cause enough data errors that your viewing experience would be unsatisfactory.

(Multi-path means the signal from the station's transmitter may actually take more than one path in getting to you ... bouncing off terrain, objects, etc. At 300,000 meters per second - the speed of light - the signals you receive may arrive at slightly different times. In analogue TV these fractions of a second differences often cause ghosting, etc. but in the digital domain you get data errors, e.g., drop outs, etc.)

In decoding ATSC, when you tune to a sub-channel with your STB (like our 22.3) ... your STB is looking at a PID - in our case it would be 0x0040 (that means hex 40). PID 40 tells more about what's in the 22.3 sub-channel, including what PID has the video information (0x0041) and what PID's have the audio information. In our case - we have just a primary AC3 Dolby Digital audio feed and that's on PID 0x0044. (If there was a secondary audio channel, like SAP, it would be on 0x0045, etc.)

Your STB then receives the continuous stream of bits from the station's transmitter. Those bits are organized into packets of 188 bytes (characters) each. Each packet has a PID identifier; your STB would discard the packets it is not interested in (like those for other sub-channels).

A typical HD 16:9 format program encoded around 15.0 mbps will consume over 75% of the bandwidth of the entire channel for the HD video content. (In our case - that would be packets with PID 0x0041.) In relation, the audio PID for that channel would only be 192 kbps - that's 0.192 mbps - just a few percent of the total transmission bandwidth.

It would be normal for now and then to get a packet or a few packets in a row that are not properly received. In many cases - you may not even see or hear those errors. But if the error rate increases ... you may see pixilated video, artifacts, large square areas not being updated, audio dropouts, etc.

If you're having reception problems and the signal meter on your STB stays pretty constant ... the meter may be showing you RF signal levels. OTOH, if you're seeing the meter bounce around ... it could be either RF or error rates. Pretty hard to tell.

Also note: many STB do not necessarily update that signal meter as fast as you may like ... some are only once a second or once every other second.

In the end, the best and really only way to see what kind of signal you are receiving ... is not with your STB, but with a device called a spectrum analyzer. This device looks like an oscilloscope - and graphically displays the energy coming down from your antenna (or cable system coax). Here we can easily see what the actual signal level is (typically measured in a decibel or dB level) ... as well as see if there's anything interfering with it (as in nearby transmissions, etc.)

BTW - up in the Springfield area ... using different boxes and antennas ... with the new WTIC-DT I can get anything from a detection of the channel but inability to tune it ... to the PSIP information that provides info on the channel (61.1) to a pretty decent (error free) signal.

Sorry for being so verbose - hope this helps!
post #798 of 7074
one other thing to mention....I must have a good setup as I can usually receive CBS and FOX from NYC. So now, you are saying "whats the problem if you get FOX already?!?!?!"

FOX from NYC is not as reliable as CBS seems to be for me from NYC. I'd love to get it from CT and know I can pull in signals from Rattle Snake so when WVITDT goes online, I will get that as I have never pulled that in from the GE building in NYC.

scottte
post #799 of 7074
It's funny you mention water as being helpful. With the same setup that I mentioned, if I point my antenna at NYC, I barely get CBS and I don't get a blip for FOX!! You are lucky that you get those channels from NY. In fact, I do have io from Cablevision because WFSB from CT isn't 100% reliable and I couldn't get FOX anywhere. Now with DirecTV getting CBS and with WTIC-DT and WVIT-DT coming on air soon, I can finally drop Cablevision altogether (of course I already get ABC, UPN, and WB from CT).

I am pointing my antenna about 25 degrees. I got so lucky. When I looked at the map of all the major stations broadcasting in CT, they are all lined up in a straight line from ABC in New Haven all the way to CBS in Hartford. The only reason I mentioned that I had my antenna on a 2 story house is because antennaweb.org asks if you have a single story house or multiple story house. So maybe it does make a diiference! Your setup totally sounds like you should be getting WTIC-DT. Keep playing with it, I'm sure you can get it. You are right, this hobby can drive you crazy, but that's what makes it so fun!

Good luck to you.
post #800 of 7074
On my Zenith 230, WTIC shows up as 61-1, but on my Zenith 520s, it shows up on Chan 5 w/"WTICHD." Any idea on how to get the 520s to remap to 61-1? (Also, the pic on the 230 was all black w/out PSIP, but on the 520s it was all snow w/PSIP.)
post #801 of 7074
Robert,

I would ignore the channel 5 altogether. Both my Samsung TS160 and Hughes E-86 had 5 listed as WTIC-DT with no mention of 61-1 and 31-1. Channel 5 makes no sense because it doesn't list a hyphenated sub-channel like a digital channel should. I reloaded my zip code on the Sammy then did a rescan last night and that brought 61-1 into my channels list. maybe that would work for you. For the Hughes, I just punched in 31-1 and it remapped to 61-1. It was that simple for that box.

Ralph
post #802 of 7074
Quote:


On ESPN, that $@#ing bottom line crawler that they insist on keeping on the screen is maddening. The worst part is, on the SD broadcast, it is as far down on the screen as possible. On ESPN HD though, it is one "line" up. What I mean is, there is screen space under the crawler that the crawler could fit in. Why can't they move it down so it' takes up a smaller percentage of the picture. Is this just my display, or do other people see it too?

That is your display screen geometry most likely. I worked in my service menu (not for the novice) to get mine to 5% overscan all the way around. A good calibrator could do this for you easily. With 5% overscan those lines are right at the bottom of the screen so you can read them and no space under them.
post #803 of 7074
There is a problem that has developed with the feedline showing excessive reflected power, thus WTIC-DT is not able to get up to full power at the moment.
post #804 of 7074
Quote:


Originally posted by achase
There is a problem that has developed with the feedline showing excessive reflected power, thus WTIC-DT is not able to get up to full power at the moment.

Glad to hear that as I still cant see anything as of 5:30 pm on the shoreline in Milford!! Hopefully this will improve soon!!

scottte
post #805 of 7074
Arnold,
At 5:35 channel 31 signal strength looks much like it did last night here in Mystic. Both receivers are getting a picture and sound tonight. Glad to see moving video. How long has the reflected power been high? What is the present power level? John
post #806 of 7074
Anyone receiving Cable through a QUAM box from Telemedia? Just wondering if I would receive any digital channel if I bought one of the LG STB's. Does anyone know which STB Telemedia uses?

Thanks
post #807 of 7074
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Originally posted by JVanderwalker
I see above that ch20 (dt ch 12) is on the same tower as WTIC. I can only get a 20 on that signal. Are they (WTXX) at low power?
Jim

It is my understanding that both WTXX-DT and Tribune sister station WTIC-DT will not be at ultimate power until 2005. Both stations currently have their antennas temporarily mounted on the side of Mr. Chase's Rattlesnake Mountain broadcast tower in Farmington. WTXX-DT has their antenna pointed southwest toward Waterbury, their city of license.

In 2005 WTXX-DT and WTIC-DT will move their antennas off the side of the tower and join third tenant WEDH-DT (Connecticut Public Television) at the top in a "candelabra" that holds three antennas. Channel 12 (20) and Channel 31 (61) will then increase their power to the ultimate levels that they requested in their FCC applications.

The candelabra cannot be built until it's known what type of antenna CPTV will be using, and that can't be determined until the FCC selects the new channel number/frequency.

The FCC website shows that WTXX-DT "has been granted Special Temporary Authority to broadcast Digital Television with less than authorized or requested facilities..."
post #808 of 7074
(MadPoet and fellow New London residents please take note)

I have spoken to three people today through the local (Groton) Comcast and finally talked with someone who said they are now giving out SA3250HD STB units to all HD digital box users but it is readilly appearant that they are _not_ calling those with the SA3100HD boxes (those who started before the SA3250HD was around) to ask if they want to upgrade.

But they did quickly offer to make an appointment to have the older box I have swapped out with the SA3250HD. The kicker is that you can not do the trad-in yourself at the local station, you need a tech to bring it to you. They didn't mention a charge and I forgot to ask. I will ask when I finalize the time/appointment.

The lady who gave me the most information did not know when they even started giving out the SA3250HD and wasn't too helpful with info on when the did the switch in STBs. I did ask if they have had any complaints or issues with the new version and she (of course) said "no". *Shrug* I'm going to give it a shot.
post #809 of 7074
I just got home from work and put on 61-1 (WTIC-DT). I'm still getting 100% signal and I'm watching Everybody Loves Raymond (better than the color bars!). It's too bad there is nothing in Fox Widescreen tonight (damn reality shows).
post #810 of 7074
I re-learned all the channels but I am not getting 31 in very well. It is very broken up...the reading goes from 75 down to 26 and is all over the place. I cant lock on the pick for more than a second or two. Is anyone else noticing this?
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