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post #1 of 3729
10/27/03 at 7:12pm
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Current Stations (1-17-11):
WNDU-DT (42) 560 kW @ 282m HAAT - 800 kW @ 309.7m HAAT Requested
16.1 HD NBC
16.2 SD (simulcast)
Analog ceased programming February 16th at 11:59pm and ceased transmission March 3rd at 7:52pm (2009).

WSBT-DT (22) 266 kW @ 332.6m HAAT (was 280 kW @ 239m HAAT on channel 30)
22.1 HD CBS
22.2 SD "SBT2" (carried in Analog on most area cable systems and DISH Network)
22.3 SD Weather video
Analog ceased programming February 17th at 6:30pm and ceased transmission at midnight.
Digital transmission on channel 30 ended simultaneously and was moved to channel 22 by 12:02am February 18th.

WSJV-DT (28) 250 kW @ 335m HAAT (was 42 kW @ 315m HAAT Directional on Channel 58)
28.1 HD FOX
Analog ceased programming February 17th at 9:00am and played an educational "nightlight" loop.

WNIT-DT (35) 50 kW @ 332.9m HAAT - 85 kW @ 332.9m HAAT Directional Requested
34.1 HD PBS
34.2 SD (simulcast)
Analog ceased programming and transmission on March 12th, 2008 (transmitter failure).

WHME-DT (48) 300 kW @ 295m HAAT Directional - 640 kW @ 306m HAAT Requested
46.1 SD LeSea Broadcasting (religious)
46.2 SD LeSea Network
Analog ceased programming and transmission on January 16th, 2009.
A digital channel change to 46 has been applied for.

Low Power
W18CF (18) 8 kW @ 85m AGL Directional Granted - CP for Flash Cut Expired 3/16/2009
This station was sold by TBN to Daystar in March 2010 and fell silent at that time.
A displacement application has been filed to move to channel 16.

WCWW-LD (27) 15 kW @ 292m AGL
25.1 HD CW
25.2 SD "THIS Michiana"
This is a digital companion channel for WCWW-LP (25).
WCWW-LP Analog went silent 12-28-2010 due to equipment failure.

WBND-LD (49) 15 kW @ 304m AGL Directional
57.1 HD ABC
This is a digital companion channel for WBND-LP (57).
WBND-LP Analog went silent 12-28-2010.

WMYS-LD (23) 15 kW @ 284m AGL Directional
69.1 SD MyNetwork
This is a digital companion channel for WMYS-LP (69).
An analog channel change to 34 has been applied for to clear up interference between 69 and emergency service radios.
WMYS-LP Analog went silent 11-30-2010 due to a faulty power supply.

WYGN-LD (10) 15 kW @ 338m AGL (WYGN-LP 12 3ABN Berrien Springs, MI)
10.1 SD "3ABN English Digital TV"
10.2 SD "3ABN Latino Digital TV"
10.3 SD "3ABN Proclaim Digital TV"
10.4 SD "Hope Channel"
10.7 Audio "3ABN Digital Radio"
10.8 Audio "Radio 74 Christian Digital Radio"


Original 10-27-03 Post:
I havn't seen many South Bend Indiana posts here ... and I suppose that now I have my receiver, I might as well start.

Current Stations:
WNDU-DT (42) 310kW - future 1000kW
Digital 16.2 is simulcasting Channel 16
WSBT-DT (30) 280kW - future 400kW
Digital 22.1 simulcasts Channel 22 in 16.9 widescreen with side bars or HD when available
Digital 22.2 is UPN Michiana (and is carried in Analog on most area cable systems)
WSJV-DT (58) 10.5kW - future 671kW
I cannot receive this channel at all
WNIT-DT (35) 40kW - future 50kW
Digital 35.1 is PBS-HD "American Public Television" - With a slight audio delay behind picture ... - Program is unrelated to WNIT
Digital 35.2 simulcasts Channel 34
(Note that the Main Channel is 35 not 34.)
WHME-DT (48) 4.5kW - future 300kW
Digital 46.1 simulcasts Channel 46
This channel has plenty of glitches ... must be the low power

Nobody seems to be broadcasting their PSIP guide information properly --- not even WNDU which is Licensed (the others are operating STA). And as noted, WNIT is using the "wrong" Main Channel Number on DTV.

JL
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post #2 of 3729
11/13/03 at 3:27pm
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WNDU 16.1 (DT42) was back on the air at 6:06pm tonight!
It's still isn't stable as I write this, but it looks like they will have:
16.1 WNDU-DT (in HD 16:9)
16.2 WNDU-DT (in SD)
16.3 WNDU-S2 (SD VERY LOW BANDWIDTH weather map)

Hopefully they will raise the 16.3 feed to enough that the sweep hand on the radar doesn't get stuck. It takes a few seconds to get the full picture up.

JL
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post #3 of 3729
11/14/03 at 6:05am
As a former native South Bender who has moved down south, I must say that I am disappointed by the progress of DT in a market of that size, and do you no longer have an ABC stion in the market?
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post #4 of 3729
11/14/03 at 7:31am
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We have had an ABC Low Power station since just after WSJV went Fox.

Currently ABC is available to South Bend/Elkhart/Goshen (and not much else) on ABC57 WBND-LP.

As far as DT goes, they do have some lingering problems (no guides, no program names, and not all stations doing closed captioning) but at least all five DTs are on the air daily, and all except WNIT are broadcasting DT full time. (WNIT is doing HD from 2pm to Midnight, with the national HD feed and their local SD feed).

On all of the market's HD feeds when 4:3 is upconverted they letterbox - no zoom and crop nor forgetting to throw the HD switch as complained about in other threads. All except PBS are using their NTSC channel numbers as well, and have call letters broadcast. There are still stations that don't get that right (in other markets)!

BTW: WNDU is still down. Apparently some equipment that they needed was delayed by the fires in California. Right now they have a strong carrier but no mux but the brief glimpse I got showed the channels above.

Refreshing the full list:
16.1 WNDU NBC HD
16.2 WNDU NBC SD
16.3 WNDU Weather Radar (a cool feature)
22.1 WSBT CBS HD (no closed captioning)
22.2 WSBT UPN SD
28.1 WSJV ABC HD (works now I put my antenna outside)
35.1 WNIT PBS HD (test loop and some national programs)
35.2 WNIT PBS SD (local content)
46.1 WHME LeSea SD

Not on DT:
18 TBN Low Power
25 WMWB "WB25" Low Power
57 WBND "ABC57" Low Power
69 WRDY Low Power (No programming for at least 9 months, just colorbars)

Perhaps WMWB and WBND can pay to be on WSJV or WSBT's feed. It certainly would help.

JL
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post #5 of 3729
11/14/03 at 7:35pm
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DT42's programs returned today. They are showing:
16.1 WNDU-DT HD with 4:3 stretched a little on width when upconverted
16.2 WNDU-DT SD with poor picture quality ... crank the bandwidth folks!

There is no 16.3 at this time.

JL
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post #6 of 3729
11/17/03 at 6:14pm
Yes, I was glad to see NBC back up. Does any one from our local market monitor these boards? I sent an email a few weeks ago about the RADAR #.3 channel and received no response. I wonder if they grabbed my suggestion or they had it planned. Lurker - Do you have an ABC feed from another market? I live on the North side of Elkhart.

BTW: I freaked when I first saw you first post on this board, I go by 'onewaylurker' on another satellite forum!
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post #7 of 3729
11/17/03 at 6:43pm
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I can just barely pick up DT24 from Fort Wayne. I'm hoping that an amp will work. I have two UHFs on the roof, one pointing to South Bend and one for DT24 (and other Fort Wayne stations when they go full power). The antennas are tied together, which seems to be making DT24 too weak. I'm just outside of the city on the south side.

That 16.3 radar only lasted the first 20 minutes or so. Now they are up with 16.1 HD showing stretched upconversion and 16.2 SD jumpy due to low bandwidth. Have you seen 22.1 and 22.2? That's the way to do DTV!

(Maybe 22 will put up their Double Doppler?)

JL
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post #8 of 3729
11/17/03 at 10:26pm
JL,

Untie your antennas and use an A/B switch.Radio Shack makes a good remote controlled unit.

Been wanting to catch WSBT's new made-for-digitaltv-only UPN Michiana.Got a good pic tonite.I suspect we'll see much more of this in the future on other OTA broadcast stations.

http://community-2.webtv.net/GregBarker/DXPHOTOS/
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post #9 of 3729
11/18/03 at 4:59am
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Originally posted by MAX HD
Untie your antennas and use an A/B switch.Radio Shack makes a good remote controlled unit.

Do you happen to have a part number? I was trying to avoid a switch because I have multiple TVs (analog) that I don't want to lose.
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Been wanting to catch WSBT's new made-for-digitaltv-only UPN Michiana.Got a good pic tonite.I suspect we'll see much more of this in the future on other OTA broadcast stations.

I hope so. There are a few stations doing second networks. WOOD TV8 DT7 does a UPN feed in Michigan (along with a handful of broadcast LP stations).

I guess I'm wierd. I don't care about HD, I just want a stable picture at good quality. I'd rather have multiple SD feeds than HD, assuming the content is worth watching.

JL
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post #10 of 3729
11/19/03 at 5:23am
I've been drawn to HD only. I have satellite from DISH but the OTA signals look so fine on my large screen HDTV! (Mits 65613)

I have never really seen that great of quality from the 22.2 station. It could be my set is too large for it to look that good. Isn't SD just a digital feed with 430i content? I know that Enterprise is 'filmed' HD but 22.2 does not broadcast it in HD only SD. (I checked this past weekend)

I keep watching for that 16.3

L8R
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post #11 of 3729
11/19/03 at 5:30am
One other thing probably wrong forum:

I have a JVC DVHS and noticed this weekend when I record off of firewire the HD feed I get the sub channels recorded with them. I hooked it up to my computer and dumped the program. When I decoded the signal to mpeg the decoder found both video and audio streams from 22. I watched both of them to check it out. WOW. Now I'm going to look into the transmission methods. Maybe that's part of the bandwidth issues.

I get pixelation now and then, is this common with hdtv? It's the same pixelation you get decodeing fast mpeg files but seems to be quite frequent on HDTV.
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post #12 of 3729
11/23/03 at 7:09pm
It appears that no South Bend Digital Channels are available in Kokomo at the current power transmission levels.
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post #13 of 3729
11/23/03 at 7:40pm
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Originally posted by Jim_Hunt
It appears that no South Bend Digital Channels are available in Kokomo at the current power transmission levels.

Unless you put up a really big antenna, I wouldn't expect South Bend.

Do you get the analog channels?

JL
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post #14 of 3729
12/12/03 at 1:25pm
Newbie here.

Just wanted to chime in and try to keep this thread going.

I expect my HD tuner to arrive next week so I don't really have anything to offer to the thread at this time.

Be back next week.
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post #15 of 3729
12/20/03 at 7:07am
I heard that WBND (ABC) will be going digital any day now. Any truth to this? Do you know what channel it will be on?
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post #16 of 3729
12/20/03 at 1:31pm
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Originally posted by Intimidator
I heard that WBND (ABC) will be going digital any day now. Any truth to this? Do you know what channel it will be on?

Not likely, as WBND is a low power station. Perhaps they have bought a stream on one of the high power DT feeds.

I'll do some checking. But don't hold your breath.

JL
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post #17 of 3729
1/3/04 at 5:09am
Anybody have a guess as to whether the South Bend HD signals would make it to Sturgis, MI - and if yes, what type of antenna it would take to receive them in a worthwhile way? Thanks.
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post #18 of 3729
1/3/04 at 6:59pm
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Originally posted by mikerht
Anybody have a guess as to whether the South Bend HD signals would make it to Sturgis, MI - and if yes, what type of antenna it would take to receive them in a worthwhile way? Thanks.

Outdoor, roof mount - perhaps on a tower. The SB stations seem to be doing OK on power.

JL
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post #19 of 3729
1/11/04 at 6:50am
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Originally posted by mikerht
Anybody have a guess as to whether the South Bend HD signals would make it to Sturgis, MI - and if yes, what type of antenna it would take to receive them in a worthwhile way? Thanks.

Absolutely they make it. I am out by Klinger Lake and get 16, 22 and 35. On rare occasion I have picked up 58. I have a roof mounted 12' channel master combo antenna, with rotor to move between SB and Kalamazoo locals.

I doubt you need a tower, simple roof install should be plenty, as I am sitting down behind a tree covered hill, lower elevation than Sturgis. I am also preampped and amp'd.
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post #20 of 3729
1/11/04 at 6:53am
Does anyone else have issue with WNIT not broadcasting the virtual channel number 34.1? It is causing my real havoc, picking up WNIT's 35.1 as well as WGVU's 11.1 that gets remapped to 35.1.

When I asked WNIT about it, they claimed that everyone in the SB market does this (i.e. not broadcast the virtual channel number) which is obviously false, because WSBT and WNDU both do. And all GR/Kalamazoo channels do as well, as do most digitals I think. Maybe we should try and start a campaign to get them to join the masses?
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post #21 of 3729
1/11/04 at 10:29pm
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Originally posted by Kirby Baker
Does anyone else have issue with WNIT not broadcasting the virtual channel number 34.1? It is causing my real havoc, picking up WNIT's 35.1 as well as WGVU's 11.1 that gets remapped to 35.1.

When I asked WNIT about it, they claimed that everyone in the SB market does this (i.e. not broadcast the virtual channel number) which is obviously false, because WSBT and WNDU both do. And all GR/Kalamazoo channels do as well, as do most digitals I think. Maybe we should try and start a campaign to get them to join the masses?

My biggest issue with WNIT is lagging audio, which I get on "35.1" from time to time. Sometimes it gets choppy too.

WNIT is the *ONLY* broadcaster in the South Bend market *not* to use the proper virtual channel number. WNDU, WSBT, WSJV, and WHME are all doing it right, transmiting 16.1, 22.1, 28.1, and 46.1 respectively. The Fort Wayne stations were slow to add virtual numbers, but they are joining in now.

I don't believe that WNIT is up to speed on DT yet. I'm glad they are on the air, and they show that one can do HD and SD at the same time without major problems (such as WNDU's lousy signal). But the little things, like broadcasting an non-standard virtual channel number, are dropped.

I almost hate to ask when PSIP program information will be available.

JL
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post #22 of 3729
1/16/04 at 4:25am
Just got my HD receiver last night, so I am glad to see this South Bend thread. I live in Granger. Everything looks great, except I really can't stand strectched TV, as 16.1 did last night with everything up until ER.
Who do we contact when we want to give these stations comments? Maybe we could compile a nice list so we could use our numbers to get stuff done?
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post #23 of 3729
1/16/04 at 11:43pm
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Originally posted by JD-1027
Just got my HD receiver last night, so I am glad to see this South Bend thread. I live in Granger. Everything looks great, except I really can't stand strectched TV, as 16.1 did last night with everything up until ER.
Who do we contact when we want to give these stations comments? Maybe we could compile a nice list so we could use our numbers to get stuff done?

You may find a feedback form on the station website. I sent one to WNDU to complain about their picture quality (wait till you watch auto sports or fast action, waving on camera causes pixilization ). I also mentioned the stretch.

The reply said they had a repair planned next month ... and they would talk about the stretch.

JL
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post #24 of 3729
1/22/04 at 12:55pm
I started a thread to discuss the HD semi-stretch from 16.1 to a more general audience. Please see the thread below, I really want as much info from the South Bend group since it most directly affects us...

avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=355570

(sorry, I don't have enough posts to link directly yet)
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post #25 of 3729
2/1/04 at 2:35pm
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WSBT 22 Superbowl Sunday

22.1 The Superbowl in HD
22.2 UPN Michiana (SD Only)
22.3 New Channel (WSBTSD2), no video but they seem to be broadcasting a radio station (probably one of WSBT's stations) ... It looks like a radar may be coming soon!

JL
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post #26 of 3729
2/20/04 at 6:03am
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Originally posted by justalurker
22.3 New Channel (WSBTSD2), no video but they seem to be broadcasting a radio station (probably one of WSBT's stations) ... It looks like a radar may be coming soon!JL

Nope, just a way to steal more bits from their HD primary subchannel...

Just what America needs; how to turn $3,000 worth of ATSC/HDTV equipment into a $4.00 FM radio! WZOC is the current audio source for this channel. Eugene Hale hasn't responded to my inquires about why this subchannel was added.

Also, this just in: After being off the air for the past two weeks, WSJV-DT (ATSC 58) is back on the air. I'm seeing better error rates on my Dish 6000, but I don't know if they upped the power or made any other improvements.
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post #27 of 3729
5/13/04 at 11:51am
hello all. Does anyone have updates on the current situation with the HD channles in the area? Been a lurker around these parts for a long time and I am getting ready to make the move. Just wanting to know what to expect on the reception end of things. I live in Nappanee.( let the slamming begin)
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post #28 of 3729
5/15/04 at 7:50pm
I'm getting jittery audio on WSBT's national feed. This occurrs during Swordfish in HD, Letterman commercials, prime time show ads etc.

However, local commercials sound fine. Examples: Steak n' Shake, local Mitsubishi auto dealers, etc.

Is anybody else experiencing this tonight (May 15, 2004) or am I the only one?

My Setup...
My stb is a D* compatible Sammy Sir-T160. WSBT gives me an off-air digital signal strength of 72-93%. I'm in Portage, MI with a Radio Shack UHF antenna in the attic pointed at South Bend for WSBT and a Radio Shack UHF/VHF in the attic pointed almost due north for WWMT (30-36%..generally lousy), WXMI (93%..excellent), WOOD (77%..good to excellent), WOTV (93%...fabulous), and WGVK (0-100%...lousy to excellent). The UHF antenna pointed at South Bend is about 25 feet away from the UHV/VHF model. It is connected to the UHF/VHF antenna lead by heavy shield 300 OHM wire. In turn, the UHF/VHF antenna is hooked up to a Channel Master 7777 pre-amp which finds its way to the stb via QS RG6.

I tend to think that the audio problem is on the WSBT end and less likely to do with my location, gear, antenna placement etc. Again, the cuts to local commercials all sound and look fine. Also, during the national programming this audio problem happens continuously, so it doesnt matter whether the signal strength is as low as 72 or as high as 93.

Thanks,
Jay
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post #29 of 3729
5/17/04 at 6:26am
Jay,
I just saw your post. I'm just south of Benton Harbor/Saint Joseph and have been wondering what kind of HDTV reception I would get here from South Bend.
I'm about 30 to 35 miles from the towers. It looks like you're about 45 to 50 miles away.
What kind of Radio Shack antenna are you using? Is the attic in a one or two story house? My antenna would have to go in the attic also, a one story house.
How is reception from the other South Bend stations?
Thanks,
Jim
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post #30 of 3729
8/26/04 at 12:27am
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I've been goofing off and not having enough fun with HD! It's been a while since I checked out South Bend's HD landscape here or on my tuner. Not much has changed. PSIP still seems to be a lost art in South Bend.

What time is it? WNDU 16.1 (currently NBC Olympics) is running fast by a minute. WSBT 22.1 (CBS) and 22.2 (UPN-SD Only) are spot on the time. WHME 46.1 is 17hrs 44min fast. WSJV 28.1 (Fox) is sending February 4th as a date. WNIT 35.1 (PBS National HD) and 35.2 (NTSC 34 Simulcast) don't have a time code. My receiver just keeps playing whatever time I had on the last digital channel. WNIT PSIP doesn't have call letters or program names any more either. Currently, nobody in the South Bend market is sending titles.

24/7 HD? One good development is that WNIT-DT is now on the air 24/7 with the PBS-HD feed on 35.1. Even after NTSC 34 signs off and powers down. 35.2 carries tone and colorbars when WNIT-TV 34 is off the air.

NBC-HD is a refreshing change to WNDU's normal feed. They half stretched their SD and were proud of it! "If you want unstretched HD tune to 16.2 ." Bahh. 16.2 is off the air (no broadcast) for the olympics.

Nobody in South Bend has stepped forward and put up a weather radar. WNDU-DT had one very briefly on 16.3 but tossed it because they couldn't get 16.1 HD and 16.2 SD to work well with the extra bandwidth loss. Actually, 16.1 HD and 16.2 SD didn't look too good after dumping 16.3 . Perhaps WNDU should talk to WNIT. They manage to get a HD+SD looking good.

WSBT-DT has 22.1 HD and 22.2 SD UPNMichiana. They seem to work too. Double Dopler would look cool on 22.3 ...

WSJV-DT has only 28.1 HD, so they could pop up a radar ... if they wanted to.

WHME-DT? It would be interesting if they would lease some space to WMWB and WBND ... and perhaps put up a radar with "The Pulse" as muzak. It would get the WB and ABC SD feeds on DT, provide limited funding, and the Pulse w/radar would be a nice touch. But I'm just dreaming.

As I said ... nothing much has changed.

JL
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