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post #151 of 3739
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Originally Posted by MAX HD View Post

WGEM boadcasts its DT on channel 54 which would require a UHF antenna.At some point they will likely move back to CH 10,so you really need both,for now and in the future.

Oh? Thats odd. Cause they say its channel 10.1 for digital
http://www.wgem.com/tv/wgem-hd.php

Will other stations be moving to VHF too?
post #152 of 3739
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Originally Posted by aggie View Post

Anyone seeing break-ups and drop outs on 16.1and 22.1 (OTA)? I have seen no problems lately on 28.1 or 34.1, but NBC and CBS both appear to have problems, unless I have a new tree problem...

thanks,

Aggie, the only issues I have with WNDU/WSBT are related to the lack of available bits for their "HD" sub-channels. WSBT's sound has had some issues, but for most part, has been solid recently. I see more problems with WNIT's HD channel, but I think it may be an encoder issue and not a reception problem as the signal quality meter reads in the mid-to-high 90s.
post #153 of 3739
Roland, Thanks for the reply. Tonight "Jay" was going black for several seconds at a time with audio drop-outs, and I believe that they switched to the SD feed and streched it.
post #154 of 3739
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Originally Posted by infamous_pb View Post

Oh? Thats odd. Cause they say its channel 10.1 for digital
http://www.wgem.com/tv/wgem-hd.php

Will other stations be moving to VHF too?

With certain restrictions, each station gets to make the choice of whether they will stay on their new digital channel or move their digital signal to their old analog channel when the analogs are turned off.

10.1 is just a display channel, the actual signal could be on any TV channel. Right now they are using channel 54 and apparently have decided to move their digital signal to 10 when analogs die. They would continue to use 10.1 as a display channel even if they stayed on a UHF channel. (IIRC: The FCC wants 54 and the othe high end UHF channels back for other uses. If WGEM decided not to go back to 10 they would have to find another channel to put their signal on.

JL
post #155 of 3739
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Originally Posted by aggie View Post

Anyone seeing break-ups and drop outs on 16.1and 22.1 (OTA)? I have seen no problems lately on 28.1 or 34.1, but NBC and CBS both appear to have problems, unless I have a new tree problem...

thanks,

WSBT 22.1 OTA has many problems....I have seen many "drop outs" and "break ups".

Especially recently, it seems to have gotten worse. I jut emailed them when all of the primetime on Oct 3 was in HD video and no audio at all. I did get a reply from the engineer saying they acknowledge the audio problem. Here is his response ..."Yes, I am aware of the audio problems. We have an intermittent HD satellite receiver that loses audio and then comes back. We are working to correct this problem." But gave no dates or promises.

I don't watch many other HD channels, so I can't say there.
post #156 of 3739
joshMV4; Thanks for the confirmation! Unually the stations want to deny any and all problems, and claim that the viewer has faulty equipment, trees, etc.

It seems to me that the stations with tecnical problems should post that info on their web-sites, including when fixes were made
post #157 of 3739
I currently have D* with HD service. I get all the OTA stations pretty clearly. But my problem is i need to bundle some services because i'm paying way too much for DSL + D* + phone. I was thinking i could lower my monthly bills by switching to comcast for HSI and HD...then i could get vonage for phone service (we have sprint phones but we barely get signal in our house)

I was wondering if there were any downsided to Comcast HD v D* ... i know the MPEG4 conversion is starting, but who knows when anything new is gonna come up.

Please help....


Thanks,

Figskate
post #158 of 3739
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Originally Posted by figskate View Post

I currently have D* with HD service. I get all the OTA stations pretty clearly. But my problem is i need to bundle some services because i'm paying way too much for DSL + D* + phone. I was thinking i could lower my monthly bills by switching to comcast for HSI and HD...then i could get vonage for phone service (we have sprint phones but we barely get signal in our house)

I was wondering if there were any downsided to Comcast HD v D* ... i know the MPEG4 conversion is starting, but who knows when anything new is gonna come up.

Please help....


Thanks,

Figskate

I highly recommend Comcast HD over D* as the HD is not compressed.

D* is actually not HD but somewhere in between 720p and 480p (See the many forums on this ). Comcast offers VOIP service but not in my zip yet so you may want to stick w/ DSL.

Downside: The technician may not know how to set up the STB correctly for HD (mine didn't). I used the Moto 6412 forum to get the answers.
post #159 of 3739
If you wanted to do VOIP you can get it from vonage without the need for comcast to supply it, you just need Cable High speed internet. Comcast is offering a "dish buy back" program that would save me over $900 over the next year. Considerably less savings year over year, but who says i won't switch again in a year! You gotta play the game to save the dough!

Figskate
post #160 of 3739
Did ayone else notice that complete lack of sound on 22.1 (WSBTV South Bend) on Sunday eve? They really do a good job of monitoring their broadcast!

In addition, there seems to be a lot of break-up, and occasional black screens!

If they have a tech problem, I would expect to see a crawling mesage!
post #161 of 3739
Thread Starter 
Perhaps the device that creates the scroll was broken too.

JL
post #162 of 3739
Hello,
I live in SB and just got an HDTV set, and I was hoping someone here could fill me in a bit. I'm getting my HD channels via a Comcast DVR box and everything's working great except for the WBND-HD channel, which has no audio. From reading this whole thread, that appears to be par for the course for a number of these channels, but I'm a little unclear in this particular case if it's a temporary tech problem that will be fixed or if that's just the way it is for WBND. Also, Comcast doesn't have an HD channel for WSJV/FOX, and I'm wondering if I could get that programming via an antenna. Thanks for any help!

Chris
post #163 of 3739
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Originally Posted by cbecker34 View Post

Hello,
I live in SB and just got an HDTV set, and I was hoping someone here could fill me in a bit. I'm getting my HD channels via a Comcast DVR box and everything's working great except for the WBND-HD channel, which has no audio. From reading this whole thread, that appears to be par for the course for a number of these channels, but I'm a little unclear in this particular case if it's a temporary tech problem that will be fixed or if that's just the way it is for WBND. Also, Comcast doesn't have an HD channel for WSJV/FOX, and I'm wondering if I could get that programming via an antenna. Thanks for any help!

Chris

WBND has had audio every time I have watched it until I tried to watch "Desperate Housewives" that I had recorded on Sunday. That's irritating when you have recorded something and then can't watch it.

Yes, if you have an ATSC tuner in your TV, you should be able to watch WSJV HD.
Al
post #164 of 3739
I turned on WBND HD during the day on Wed and the sound was OK. Then Wed evening I turned it on during the HD programming and got no sound.

Al
post #165 of 3739
It's funny, I've gotten sound on WBND-HD a few times now, but the three times I tuned in to watch specific shows -- Desperate Housewives, MNF, and Lost -- no sound. You'd think they're strategically trying to ruin their best programming.

But everything else has been wonderful. I found myself watching a PBS puppet show for three-year-olds yesterday just because it was so pretty looking.

Chris
post #166 of 3739
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Originally Posted by cbecker34 View Post

It's funny, I've gotten sound on WBND-HD a few times now, but the three times I tuned in to watch specific shows -- Desperate Housewives, MNF, and Lost -- no sound. You'd think they're strategically trying to ruin their best programming.

But everything else has been wonderful. I found myself watching a PBS puppet show for three-year-olds yesterday just because it was so pretty looking.

Chris

Yeah, I think maybe they lose the audio when they are showing the network HiDef feed. I have started recording on the SD channel also just to be sure to get my favorite shows.

Al
post #167 of 3739
Hey folks,

WNDU-TV was just sold from Notre Dame U. to Gray broadcasting (pending FCC approval). Assuming it goes through, an era has ended.

Notre Dame has poured money into the station over the years, making it the power house that it has been and is today. Flooding money into it's news and weather operations, this station has had equipment that BIG market stations
would drool over. 2 news helicopters, producers of nationally syndicated programs like "Ag Day", legendary news and weathercasters like Dick Addis...

All coming to an end. Gray Television doesn't have deep pockets, and I fear
that the cost-cutting will start the moment they close on the sale. I pray
they don't. WNDU is a legend, a bastion of quality broadcasting, and is what one gets when everyone on board excels to be the best, from news to engineering to production, and is given the time and money to do so. I have never heard a bad thing said about WNDU, other than minor complaints. It was, and is, a station that other stations need to consider copying.

I hope Gray Broadcasting doesn't take that apart. I grew up with WNDU 80 miles away, thanks to tropo...and loved their programming. Some days, I watched it more than the stations in Chicago. This summer, a "YES!" echoed from my mouth when, during a mild tropo event, WNDU-DT came on my digital tuner 60 miles west of Chicago. As I expected, the picture on the main and two subchannels was sharp and colors were crisp. Exactly what I expected from WNDU.

Thanks, ND, for being such good stewards of this station. I only hope Gray Broadcasting can keep it going. In Rockford, they got rid of their longtime news anchors, and hired one anchor to replace them. Maybe they have got a second on the way, but it's been awhile, and I'm not holding my breath. Having said that, however, I hope the executives there realize what a gem they have and keep it the ratings and quality powerhouse it has been since 1955.
post #168 of 3739
Is anyone having problems with WNDU tonight, its been down for me for awhile and i need confirmation that its not just me
post #169 of 3739
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Hey folks,

WNDU-TV was just sold from Notre Dame U. to Gray broadcasting (pending FCC approval). Assuming it goes through, an era has ended.

Notre Dame has poured money into the station over the years, making it the power house that it has been and is today. Flooding money into it's news and weather operations, this station has had equipment that BIG market stations
would drool over. 2 news helicopters, producers of nationally syndicated programs like "Ag Day", legendary news and weathercasters like Dick Addis...

All coming to an end. Gray Television doesn't have deep pockets, and I fear
that the cost-cutting will start the moment they close on the sale. I pray
they don't. WNDU is a legend, a bastion of quality broadcasting, and is what one gets when everyone on board excels to be the best, from news to engineering to production, and is given the time and money to do so. I have never heard a bad thing said about WNDU, other than minor complaints. It was, and is, a station that other stations need to consider copying.

I hope Gray Broadcasting doesn't take that apart. I grew up with WNDU 80 miles away, thanks to tropo...and loved their programming. Some days, I watched it more than the stations in Chicago. This summer, a "YES!" echoed from my mouth when, during a mild tropo event, WNDU-DT came on my digital tuner 60 miles west of Chicago. As I expected, the picture on the main and two subchannels was sharp and colors were crisp. Exactly what I expected from WNDU.

Thanks, ND, for being such good stewards of this station. I only hope Gray Broadcasting can keep it going. In Rockford, they got rid of their longtime news anchors, and hired one anchor to replace them. Maybe they have got a second on the way, but it's been awhile, and I'm not holding my breath. Having said that, however, I hope the executives there realize what a gem they have and keep it the ratings and quality powerhouse it has been since 1955.


I am a past owner of a station sold to Gray in 1996. Gray does not operate they way you have feared. They do have deep poskets and understand the legacy of # 1 stations in mid to small size markets. They will not dismantle WNDU but build upon it.
post #170 of 3739
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Originally Posted by lcosby View Post

I am a past owner of a station sold to Gray in 1996. Gray does not operate they way you have feared. They do have deep poskets and understand the legacy of # 1 stations in mid to small size markets. They will not dismantle WNDU but build upon it.

Lcosby,

I am only going upon what I saw in Rockford, and that wasn't good. I really, really, REALLY do hope you are right. Time will tell.
post #171 of 3739
Hi, I continue to see (and hear) dropouts on 22.1, even after the trees which could be a problem have dropped their leaves.

The picture pixilates frequently during fast action as well. In particular, in shots in which a person is shown against a fixed background, e.g. Letterman, the head/body breaks up.

Does anyone else notice this problem? I am using a DISH 6000 receiver.

aggie
post #172 of 3739
Hi Everyone! New to the group. I am a master control operator in the South Bend market. If I can answer any questions, I'll be happy to. If I don't know the answer, I'll go to a reliable source that does. Enjoyed the comments.
post #173 of 3739
Welcome to the AVS Forum, mc operator. This should be the place to find out how well your viewers are receiving your ATSC signal.
post #174 of 3739
Thank you for welcoming me to the group! It's fantastic to be able to communicate with viewers and vice versa,
post #175 of 3739
I guess I should mention whom I'm with...I'm with WNDU.
post #176 of 3739
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Originally Posted by cbecker34 View Post

It's funny, I've gotten sound on WBND-HD a few times now, but the three times I tuned in to watch specific shows -- Desperate Housewives, MNF, and Lost -- no sound. You'd think they're strategically trying to ruin their best programming.

But everything else has been wonderful. I found myself watching a PBS puppet show for three-year-olds yesterday just because it was so pretty looking.

Chris

I'm having the same issues with WBND-HD (187) on Comcast. Sometimes audio doesn't work at all; sometimes it glitches; many times (during "Lost" and "Desperate Housewives" the video and/or audio drops out so many times you can't watch the show. Tonight the audio is only coming out of the left channel, not right. Sometimes HD stations are widescreen in HD, most times they are SD in 4:3.

I'm not sure what the problem is, but it is very frustrating. It's pretty worthless to try to record anything on that channel anymore. I've never had a good recording yet.

As far as I'm concerned, Comcast does not yet offer ABC in HD in South Bend.
post #177 of 3739
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Originally Posted by aggie View Post

Hi, I continue to see (and hear) dropouts on 22.1, even after the trees which could be a problem have dropped their leaves.

The picture pixilates frequently during fast action as well. In particular, in shots in which a person is shown against a fixed background, e.g. Letterman, the head/body breaks up.

Does anyone else notice this problem? I am using a DISH 6000 receiver.

aggie


Aggie,

In my opinion, CBS 22.1 is the worst of the 4 HD channels, and worst in quality. I live in Nappanee and pick up all S. Bend HD stations on a DTV Sony HD300 with strong signals on each, even 46.1.

The HD Colts games are pixelated on camera zooms and fast action, network programing is the same. This Sunday's game was no exception. I will switch back and forth to Bears Games on FOX 28.1 and the difference is amazing. It is like night and day.

Also, I have had to call the station and ask for them to pull the switch at least 2 times this year for games that were suspose to be brodcast in HD. The late game 2 weeks ago was one of those times. I sat down this earlier this fall to watch the prime time line up on 22.1, and it was not being sent out in HD.

This is disapointing. I feel they dont really care about the OTA HD brodcast quality or if they even turn it on at all. I would be interested to know what is going on over there on this subject.
post #178 of 3739
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Originally Posted by douglas53 View Post

Aggie,

In my opinion, CBS 22.1 is the worst of the 4 HD channels, and worst in quality. I live in Nappanee and pick up all S. Bend HD stations on a DTV Sony HD300 with strong signals on each, even 46.1.

The HD Colts games are pixelated on camera zooms and fast action, network programing is the same. This Sunday's game was no exception. I will switch back and forth to Bears Games on FOX 28.1 and the difference is amazing. It is like night and day.

Also, I have had to call the station and ask for them to pull the switch at least 2 times this year for games that were suspose to be brodcast in HD. The late game 2 weeks ago was one of those times. I sat down this earlier this fall to watch the prime time line up on 22.1, and it was not being sent out in HD.

This is disapointing. I feel they dont really care about the OTA HD brodcast quality or if they even turn it on at all. I would be interested to know what is going on over there on this subject.


I too have been very disappointed with WSBT 22.1. I have noticed the poor quality at times as well. Multiple times they have audio problems.

I have emailed an engineer there from an email I found on their web site, and he acknowledged the problem, but blamed it on a poor sattelite feed and/or a receiver problem at their station. I also noticed that they must have a manual switch that they throw at prime time to go from regular to HD programming. I don't think they have the technology to broadcast live in HD.

The HD often doesn't start when it should in HD. (The picture is still cropped to 4x3 and my receiver is only recieving 2 channel dolby instead of 5.1 surround). Then they throw the switch (often mid-program), and it jumps to widescreen HD and 5.1 surround sound. But they always switch it back to SD (usually during commercials), right before a news anchor comes on to give a 30 second blip, then try to switch back to HD again without us knowing. It is very unprofessional.

Here is my speculation for the theory on quality....I am no expert on this though...In comparing the local Fox to WSBT, Fox's channel is only braodcasting the Fox network, using all the bandwidth for that. But WSBT is broadcasting CBS on the majority of the bandwith, but also splitting it up to broadcast UPN and a local weather channel, so the primary CBS channel loses bandwidth as a result. I have heard that the cable companies have the same problem, trying to stuff multiple HD channels, regular cable & internet all in a given bandwidth.
post #179 of 3739
Thread Starter 
It has been a while since I managed to get 22.3 to work on my receiver. I tune it but it never shows me a picture. (This is on a SIR-150 - I hope to get a new tuner soon to see if that can tune it.) I have no problems with 16.1/.2/.3 - they tune immediately and (except for the stretched upconvert) I have no issues with 16.1 . WSBT might as well drop 22.3 .

WNIT seems to be doing well and I consider it the benchmark for HD. I also appreciate that they leave the HD running overnight with "bonus" programs on 34.2 .

I wish WHME would rent their wasted space to WMWB, WBND, WAAT and W18CF (TBN). It would be better than letting it sit empty and would get those LPs on digital quicker.

JL
post #180 of 3739
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Originally Posted by justalurker View Post

I wish WHME would rent their wasted space to WMWB, WBND, WAAT and W18CF (TBN). It would be better than letting it sit empty and would get those LPs on digital quicker.

I've often wondered the same thing, WHME is sitting on a digital gold mine and could be doing a community service as well.

Then I think about the programs on ABC like "Desparate Housewives" and those on the WB like "Smallville" and think that programs like these would make Lester Summeral spin in his grave

JL, the Accurain units that RatShaq were closing out a few months ago don't seem to have any problem receiving the low bitrate of WSBT-WX. I got one for my Dad for Christmas (good thing he doesn't read AVS Forum!)
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