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post #211 of 3740
Thank Comcast as well. They've had a problem over the past 3-4 months that was causing "tiling" to our HD signals. We monitor our HD signals via a loop-back circuit from South Bend back to Chicago and the signals have always been rock solid. I believe they found the problem over the past week or so.
post #212 of 3740
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Originally Posted by justalurker View Post

46 is a fully licensed TV station with more rights than any LP station. Under the digital conversion rules WHME gets a full DT channel to use for conversion (48). They do NOT have to transmit a HD signal. Personally I think it's a waste to use a DT channel for a single SD feed - but it isn't illegal.

I didn't mean that it was a literal crime.

The point is that 46 isn't keeping WBND and WMWB from being digital/HD. The FCC rules are keeping WBND and WMWB from being digital/HD (without discarding their NTSC audience).
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Originally Posted by Foxbat View Post

The only logical way that Weigel could do this would be to switch over operations at WMWB-LP (25) to digital operations, simulcasting WBND-DT and WMWB-DT on two sub-channels, while WBND-LP continued with NTSC ABC broadcasting. With ABC-HD broadcasting 720p and WB-HD using 1080i, I don't know how well this would work. Perhaps ABC at 720p and WB at 480p? They could also take Channel 69 (which was supposed to be shut down to return the spectrum to the FCC, but probably gets away with it being a low-power station) to broadcast WB analog programming, but I wouldn't think that would fly with Weigel.

They could convert WMWB-LP to DT and carry both signals ... again sacrificing NTSC viewers for ATSC viewers. Moving the WB NTSC back to 69 is possible, but the coverage area is not as good as on 25. WAAT-LP 69 Coverage

I have a hard time getting 69 on the south side of Elkhart. It is good that Weigel was able to keep the license. Perhaps something can be worked out there to use 69 as a temporary digital channel?

It's all up to the lawyers and the FCC.

JL
post #213 of 3740
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Originally Posted by idttywlm View Post

That doesn't do anything for many people that get the local HD signals over the air or use DirecTV or Dish. I am disgusted by the absentee ownership just sucking money out of this market. A major network on a low power signal is rediculous.

I believe Weigel has done a lot more than they have to in the South Bend market. I was very impressed that they were making the effort to get HD on the cable system, because I'm sure that cost a lot of money to provide a HD signal that only a few people receive. Read the Fort Wayne thread. They have a Fox affiliate with less than 1 kilowatt of power and never any HD.

If you want to get the channels, get basic cable for about $15 a month and buy a QAM receiver.

Al
post #214 of 3740
Many, many thanks for making the bowl games available in HD yesterday, even if only on Comcast. I am sure there are more than 25 of us that enjoyed the game. The Superbowl is next (wink, wink)!!

As a DirecTV customer and an HD TV owner, I do not like the limited HD choices on DirecTV. Comcast has a much better selection. Nor do I want to setup an outside OTA antenna to catch local HD signal as I find it to be unreliable (at best).

When I first switched to DirecTV I used a large OTA antenna in my attic which everyone kept telling me it should be good enough. In reality, without the ability to rotate it for best signal reception I got varying degrees of reception quality.
I swear I live in an electronic interference zone. OTA has never been very good (even radio). All I know is when I listen to AM radio in my car, the signal gets significantly better once I pull out of my neighborhood.

After being fed up with the OTA antenna, I subscribed to the basic TV package from Comcast (then AT&T) and I was happy. Eventually, DirecTV made available locals and I subscribed (the wife liked the simplicity of all channels being available from one source). I kept my basic cable TV subscription because I saved about $3 a month on cable internet bill if I have some cable TV package (what a scam!)

When I got an HD TV I subscribed to DirecTV's HD package but I was back in the same boat when I first moved to DirecTV. No HD locals except via OTA. Back to square one! I would love to be able to Tivo my favorite HD programs on local channels but the signal just isn't reliabled enough (none of them: WNDU, WSBT, Fox28, even WNIT).

When I found out Comcast made local HDs available with the basic cable TV package for $5 more I jumped at the chance. Unfortunately, I cannot use Comcast's DVR because that requires a minimum cable TV service of Digital Cable (which is an additional $40a month). I am not going to carry a full subscription to both Comcast and DirecTV.

I would probably drop DirecTV completely if it weren't for Sunday NFL Ticket. DirecTV has an exclusive and recently extended their contract with the NFL (rats!!).

I don't like having split services (again) but, if I can enjoy my HD network shows on my HD TV with a reliable signal I am happy.

Someday (unknown) DirecTV will make local HDs available. When that happens I will drop the $5 a month cable box and get all my services from source, DirecTV. That is unless Sunday NFL Ticket is made available to other TV outlets. If that happens (please let that happen), my choices for TV service will increase and (hopefully) the price of Sunday NFL Ticket will go down (because everyone will have it).

In reality, there are far fewer folks with HD capability and some of those folks don't even know how or have HD set it up properly. I understand things take time.

I am very grateful for the services I do have. Even if all the services are not yet available via any/all service providers.

It will happen. I have to keep reminding myself of that and take advantage of the work arounds (when available).
post #215 of 3740
Does anyone know why Comcast is not carrying the FOX28 HD signal?
post #216 of 3740
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Originally Posted by alesch1 View Post

Read the Fort Wayne thread. They have a Fox affiliate with less than 1 kilowatt of power and never any HD.

You ain't kiddin'. Thank God for FOX 28.
post #217 of 3740
Hi all, new to the forum... Watching HDTV OTA from the South Bend locals on a Sony XBR960 in Buchanan, MI. Lack of an ABC OTA signal is disappointing since Comcast's system north of the border in Michigan does not carry any HDTV whatsoever! No ESPNHD or local affilate HD period. Does anyone know what Comcast's issues are in SW Michigan?

Moving on to second issue. Sent an e-mail to WNDU regarding the macroblocking artifacts on 16.1 OTA. ND games and fast camera pans were really poor picture quality. Gave them my opinion that squeezing HD, SD & weather radar into their digital bandwidth was sacrificing image quality on the HD broadcast and suggested scrapping the weather channel if it improved picture quality. Today, I read on their website that the weather channel is shut down until they resolve encoder issues that were affecting picture quality. So do I get to claim credit for this turn of events or have some of you also contacted them? Just curious...
post #218 of 3740
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Originally Posted by Eric Z View Post

Regarding DaveK913s question: I had a conversation with a engineer at station I used to work at in South Bend about this a few years back when they made the switch with the WBND and WMWB frequencies. The tower site for 25, 57 and 69 is the same location, just west of Highway 331 south of town. I am not sure if the location would really matter to you as nearly all of the South Bend channels that you watch all broadcast from roughly the same area around Ironwood south of the Bypass. When WMWB moved from 69 to 25 I instantly started to get it fairly decent out here in LaPorte. Granted, they did get a better tower, but WBND still comes in snowly while WMWB is usually pretty clear. Its not just you, I have found this to be the case with nearly everyone else finding it more difficult to pull in 57 then 25. I have personally always found WBNDs signal to be weaker then 25, but I am aware that many other conditions could effect it. I personally wondered why they would not move WBND between 22 and 28. I have always found 25 to have better reception so it is possible it is because its on a lower channel number.

They're all within 5 miles of us, but we have plenty of trees in our area so I'm sure that's a factor in our reception from what I've read. Aluminum siding I guess doesn't help. Thank you for the response!
post #219 of 3740
I contacted Fox 28 regarding Fox28 HD on Comcast, below is their response:

"Thanks for your inquiry regarding why our HD signal is not on Comcast. Your timing is excellent!

WSJV and Comcast were in negotiations for the right for Comcast to carry our HD signal for a year or more. These talks were recently completed...and a contract for carriage was executed by both parties within the past two or three weeks.

So far, we have not heard an actual carriage date or channel position from Comcast. It should happen pretty quickly, however. Cable companies have some rules regarding giving viewers a 30 day notice of changes...but I don't know if that applies in this case?
In any event, Comcast should be able to answer that question."

So it should be soon.

Additional Info added 1/6/06
I contacted Comcast today and they expect to have WSJV-DT added as channel 190 by 1/10 or 1/11.
post #220 of 3740
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Originally Posted by tvmicrowave2002 View Post

Your wish has been granted. Viewers of Comcast will see WBND-HD in true HD today. May look rough during breaks (you'll see what I mean when you watch it) but it's true HD from network for all the games today. Back to upconvert after this evening. Hopefully we can push for the true HD during all network HD by the end of the week. Thank you for your patience as we are rebuilding the Chicago plant into one of the area's first HD master controls.

Hey TVMicrowave2002,

How are things proceeding? Will they be in a position to push the true HD signal? NFL Playoffs are Saturday and both games are on ABC.

Thanks for keeping us informed.

Adam
post #221 of 3740
Hey all,

Ever since i got my new hdtv about 6 months ago, i've been following the threads here to see the progress on getting WBND-HD OTA..... unfortunately i don't have the ability to get digital cable, so my only option has been OTA for the digital locals (which after much positioning i get all signals just fine), and dish-network for everything else, including espn-hd..... i'm not a huge abc viewer, so not having an HD feed was never a huge deal until this bowl and nfl season....I saw the train wreck that was the fiesta bowl live and in person so that wasn't an issue, but there's no way i'm letting my hdtv go to waste on super bowl sunday.... Is there any way at all that WBND could get some kind of HD feed OTA for the super bowl?? It's the most watched event of the year, and the biggest advertising moment of the year...there's no way some kind of deal could be worked out for one day? I'm desperate here!!! I have to agree with the above posters in saying how much of a disgrace it is for a major network to have to be stuck with a low power station when pbs and those other networks are able to have hd feeds... to hell with the FCC... that's why i'm going with Stern to Sirius on monday morning!
post #222 of 3740
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Originally Posted by donrb5 View Post

Hey TVMicrowave2002,

How are things proceeding? Will they be in a position to push the true HD signal? NFL Playoffs are Saturday and both games are on ABC.

Thanks for keeping us informed.

Adam

New to the forum. No HD signal on ABC today as far as I can tell. It seems to me that "your wish has been granted" applies to the Fiesta Bowl day. The FOX HD news is great!
post #223 of 3740
Looks like channel 190 on Comcast (Fox28 DT) is on. That makes both Sunday playoff games in HD on Comcast. Great!!!!
post #224 of 3740
We're making good progress on the digital facility rollout. True HD on WBND and WMWB should be back late next week. 1/13 is the goal. Sorry nothing today or tomorrow. We (I) took some beatings from advertisers during the Monday games since we did not insert the commercials on the HD feed...

I'll post as soon as it's up. As for low power channel 69 for use as an HD signal, we tried. We were denied by the FCC due to 800 MHz land mobile (2-way radio) concerns.
post #225 of 3740
Thanks for the update TVMicrowave2002
post #226 of 3740
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Originally Posted by tvmicrowave2002 View Post

I'll post as soon as it's up. As for low power channel 69 for use as an HD signal, we tried. We were denied by the FCC due to 800 MHz land mobile (2-way radio) concerns.

So what does this mean for those of us not willing to fund another HD source (comcast)? When will WBND broadcast HD?

Thanks.
post #227 of 3740
As soon as the FCC will issue Low Power class TV stations a digital channel to broadcast on. Right now, they have no plans to. Seriously, please complain to them! We want it too for WMWB and WBND. See above posts. They won't even let us broadcast DTV on our extra LPTV channel 69.
post #228 of 3740
Hey all,
New to the forum, watching HDTV via OTA in Goshen, IN. I have been following the progress of receiving WBND-HD via OTA and while very disappointed I understand that WBND/Weigel is doing everything necessary to accomodate everyone. That brings up my point, I am a D* customer that has been denied the waiver to receive ABC-HD via D*. If there are no immediate plans to accomodate those that are unwilling to fund another HD source(Comcast) why has my waiver request been denied when WBND does not even broadcast a digital signal due to the FCC regulation. D* has told me to contact the affiliate directly, does anyone have an idea on who to talk to? I am tired of watching Sportscenter highlights of ABC telecasts in HD, I want the real thing.
post #229 of 3740
Have I got this all wrong? The FCC are the ones who have mandated a certain date for every channel going digital, however, the FCC are the ones who are not allowing ABC to have a digital broadcast because of some limitation of signal?
post #230 of 3740
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Originally Posted by janko View Post

Have I got this all wrong? The FCC are the ones who have mandated a certain date for every channel going digital, however, the FCC are the ones who are not allowing ABC to have a digital broadcast because of some limitation of signal?

If you want to read it, it looks like this is it. http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/
It's dated 9/30/04, and titled 'FCC Establishes Rules for Digital Low Power Television and Television Translater Stations.'
post #231 of 3740
I'm now getting a FOX HD signal on channel 190 (Comcast). It breaks up quite a bit. Should I expect this during the initial period or is this it? 189 (CBS) and 187 (ABC) look good and don't break up. 188 (NBC) is hit and miss. Anyone else experiencing this?
By the way, if not for the forum, how would I know that FOX is now available on HD? It seems they (Comcast) do a terrible marketing job. When the installer came out, he didn't even know what channels were available!!! Go figure.

Dan
post #232 of 3740
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Originally Posted by nails View Post

Hi all, new to the forum... Watching HDTV OTA from the South Bend locals on a Sony XBR960 in Buchanan, MI.

Nails,

I'm in Niles and am looking carefully at the 34XBR960. I'd be very interested in any comments on the tv. I've looked at one in the Mishawaka WorstBuy store but the picture on their set is one of the worst of the HD tube tv's in the store - looks like its got a very bad SD signal feeding it. How's the picture quality when watching SD programming? I'd hate to shell out close to $2K and have worse SD picture quality than I do on my old 27" Sony. I'll only be using OTA - how much of the local programming is available in HD?

Thanks

Fred
post #233 of 3740
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Originally Posted by bruegf View Post

I'll only be using OTA - how much of the local programming is available in HD?

Fred, currently WNDU (NBC), WSBT (CBS), WSJV (FOX), and WNIT (PBS-HD) are the only sources of HD OTA. Depending on where you are in the Michiana area, you should have no problem receiving a good ATSC signal from these stations using an outdoor antenna. Indoors, YMMV.

As to when you can watch HD, WNDU, WSBT, and WSJV have Primetime programs from their networks in HD. Sporting events have been in HD recently (ND Football on NBC, for example, and NFL/NASCAR/NCAA Basketball/Masters PGA), but unfortunately, not the BCS bowl games. WNIT shows PBS-HD pretty much 24/7.
post #234 of 3740
Thanks for the info. I just had a new antenna installed on my 50' tower so I expect that I should have good reception - at least I do for the SD programming. Now I just have to make up my mind on taking the plunge to purchase an HD set.

Fred
post #235 of 3740
hi, I live in Niles and have my SB antenna at 100ft I get excellent HD on all channels. Buy a used HD tuner on ebay for $50.00 and use you existing TV to try HDTV!!
post #236 of 3740
Here's something I've wondered: Would anybody be able to suggest a good TV tower installer in our area? My friend and I put in a 48' HAM tower at my dad's vacation place, but that was back in the 70s and I would want it done right.
post #237 of 3740
I just had JoJo's install a new antenna and while the work appears to have done well, I was not happy about pricing. The price changed after the install was completed, not all charges were disclosed up front.

A Benton Harbor antenna and electronics wholesaler I talked to recommended Rick's in Dowagiac to me (269 782 7250). Rick's price (as is now apparent) was much better than JoJo's. For just a little more than JoJo's charged me for a new antenna and installation, Rick's would have installed a marginally higher quality antenna as well as install an amplifier and new coax. JoJo's did not replace the coax or install an amplifier and now wants over $300 for that.

Fred
post #238 of 3740
tpctech,

How's the HD reception on Chicago channels? Any difference between UHF and VHF HD reception?

Fred
post #239 of 3740
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Originally Posted by bruegf View Post

tpctech,

How's the HD reception on Chicago channels? Any difference between UHF and VHF HD reception?

Fred

I recieve the UHF Chicago HD fine..I have a Blake UHF antenna at 180ft on my tower. My analog Chicago VHF is not very good do to not enough antenna gain. I plan on changing my VHF is spring.

I am using a Blonder Tongue tower top preamp on both antennas

KEN
post #240 of 3740
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Originally Posted by bruegf View Post

Nails,

I'm in Niles and am looking carefully at the 34XBR960. I'd be very interested in any comments on the tv. I've looked at one in the Mishawaka WorstBuy store but the picture on their set is one of the worst of the HD tube tv's in the store - looks like its got a very bad SD signal feeding it. How's the picture quality when watching SD programming? I'd hate to shell out close to $2K and have worse SD picture quality than I do on my old 27" Sony. I'll only be using OTA - how much of the local programming is available in HD?

Thanks

Fred

As already stated by other posters, you will get all local affliate's HD signal no problem in Niles. The XBR is adequate for displaying SD and has the same drawbacks as other HD displays when it comes to SD. On larger screens, SD resolution just looks worse the larger your screen gets. The XBR960 has what Sony calls Digital Reality Creation which uses electronics to improve SD PQ, but not dramatically so. The real benefits of the XBR960 compared to less expense Sony HD CRTs are the built in turners, twin view (split screen), a plethora of inputs/outputs including memory stick slot, 2 firewire ports, HDMI, digital optical audio out, and 3 HD component inputs all which can be custom labeled. HD and DVDs look awesome with the superfine pitch (true 1080 line resolution). If you don't need all the bells and whistles though, go with a good mid-range Sony model, and save the cash for PS3 or surround sound or whatever. It is a very nice HD set though...
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