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post #421 of 3739
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Originally Posted by osceolahdtv View Post

Sorry to keep harping on this WSBT thing, but does anyone know if they actually stop broadcasting in digital an any point in the night? My wife watched the entire episode of Big Brother last night (believe me, I'd know if something was wrong...she'd definitely let me know), but when I tried to watch the news at 11, BOOM! 22.1, 22.2, and 22.3 were all completely out of commission. Does that make ANY sense?

I've been reading through your recent posts relating to reception issues with WSBT-DT and thinking about some of the issues I've encountered during the past five years due to my proximity to the Indy towers (3-5 miles). As mentioned above, your problem could be related to multipath, which can be a very intermitent issue. While watching the signal meter, does the signal quickly spike up and down? This is one way to check for multipath, besides looking for ghosting on the analog station.

Five years ago after I purchased my first STB, I installed a CM 4221 antenna outdoors and received all the Indy stations fine except for one. I was receiving absolutely zero signal from that one station. It turned out to be a really bad case of multipath. As soon as I installed a different antenna (CM 4228...better with multipath issues), the signal was fine and the STB did a smooth job of decoding the signal.

Another issue I experienced a few years ago with one of my semi-local stations was intermod, or intermodulation distortion (interference). After the station moved from DTV ch. 53 to ch. 48, one of my STBs, the LG LST-3100A, was indicating a very strong signal but the tuner would not decode audio/video, while my other STBs were decoding just fine. In chatting with one of the station engineers, he discussed intermod. This is when two strong nearby signals mix together to form other frequencies that can interfere with a third signal, possibly ch. 30, the RF channel of WSBT-DT. Here are a couple of links to some info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodulation
http://www.prosoundweb.com/install/t...ireless1.shtml

Also, as someone mentioned, there could be some bad PSIP info being sent by the station. If this is the cause of your issue, it could be that only your make/model of receiver (STB) is being affected. There have been some occasional issues related to this here in Indy. In fact, just last week one of my STBs stopped decoding one of the local stations. The signal meter indicated plenty of signal, but the tuner would not decode any audio/video. I contacted two other owners of this same brand/model STB, and sure enough, those two STBs also were not decoding the station. Long story short, after the station rebooted its studio equipment, all three STBs were once again decoding the station just fine. (Have you rebooted your receiver by unplugging it and then rescanning or reentering channel numbers?)

These are some issues I've experienced locally. Maybe something will assist you in locating your culprit. Good luck.

Steve
post #422 of 3739
Thread Starter 
PSIP is OK for the tuner involved. I believe we have the same tuner in the same market. The difference is that he is closer to the station.

There are pockets of multipath in his area. I have not done the math for TV30 but I know a radio station that loses in South Bend because of the combination of several other stations.
post #423 of 3739
I believe I have the ViP 211 receiver. Man, last night there was NOTHING from any of the WSBT stations. I'm talking signal strength 0 all night. No fluctuations, nothing.
post #424 of 3739
Anyone else watching Prison Break last night have problems? It dropped out 3 times for just a second and I had at least 3 glitches. Signal started at 81 by end of the show was peaking at 91. Then during vanished dropping as low as 79...
post #425 of 3739
I finally monitored my signal strength on WSBT for awhile. It would go something like 94-92-88-94-ZERO-94-92-ZERO- and so on. I've also noticed it's worse during the day and as the sun sets, it gets much better. Let's just assume it's multipath. Is my only option to get a new antenna?
post #426 of 3739
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Originally Posted by osceolahdtv View Post

I finally monitored my signal strength on WSBT for awhile. It would go something like 94-92-88-94-ZERO-94-92-ZERO- and so on. I've also noticed it's worse during the day and as the sun sets, it gets much better. Let's just assume it's multipath. Is my only option to get a new antenna?

Could be squirrels playing with your antenna.
post #427 of 3739
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

Could be squirrels playing with your antenna.

Blasted squirrels! First riling up my cats and now playing with my reception!
post #428 of 3739
Ok, so If I get a splitter and split the signal coming in from my OTA before it gets to my Dish receiver, with one end going into the Dish receiver, and one end going into the analog input on my display, that should allow me to pick up my analog channels, correct? I know that this should be obvious, but my inputs into the wall are BNC, so before I go spend money on custom F-conn. to BNC cables, I want to make sure this will work.
post #429 of 3739
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Originally Posted by osceolahdtv View Post

Ok, so If I get a splitter and split the signal coming in from my OTA before it gets to my Dish receiver, with one end going into the Dish receiver, and one end going into the analog input on my display, that should allow me to pick up my analog channels, correct? I know that this should be obvious, but my inputs into the wall are BNC, so before I go spend money on custom F-conn. to BNC cables, I want to make sure this will work.

BNC???? Who wired that?? Yeah you can split it. Dont radio shack your splitter. Spend a couple extra bucks and get a decent splitter like from Home depot. Make sure its good from 5mhz to at least 1ghz. And dont forget the more you split the less signal you get.
post #430 of 3739
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

BNC???? Who wired that??

Haha, I did! 3 BNC's into the wall and out at the other end. Why you ask? Well, in the interest of not having 60 million cables in the wall. This way, I can change on the fly with an adapter and a patch cord. Composite video/stereo? Check. S-video? Check. Digital audio? Check. Regular old RF? Check. Besides that, I like the locking characteristics of a BNC.
post #431 of 3739
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Originally Posted by osceolahdtv View Post

Haha, I did! 3 BNC's into the wall and out at the other end. Why you ask? Well, in the interest of not having 60 million cables in the wall. This way, I can change on the fly with an adapter and a patch cord. Composite video/stereo? Check. S-video? Check. Digital audio? Check. Regular old RF? Check. Besides that, I like the locking characteristics of a BNC.

Got ya.
post #432 of 3739
6 days till kickoff.....I am sad.
post #433 of 3739
Does anyone know what the current broadcasting power is of the stations? Or is the first post up to date?

NBC seems to be the highest..I get 95 percent..while FOX and CBS are around 80
post #434 of 3739
So in the ongoing saga of WSBT-DT reception difficulties in Osceola, I hooked up the WSBT analog signal last night. TERRIBLE ghosting. Signal strength 0 on WSBT-DT. What does it all mean? Multipath?
post #435 of 3739
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Originally Posted by osceolahdtv View Post

So in the ongoing saga of WSBT-DT reception difficulties in Osceola, I hooked up the WSBT analog signal last night. TERRIBLE ghosting. Signal strength 0 on WSBT-DT. What does it all mean? Multipath?

Osceola????? Isn't that in Florida?? No wonder you're having reception problems!!
post #436 of 3739
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

Osceola????? Isn't that in Florida?? No wonder you're having reception problems!!

So THAT'S my problem! And here the E* lady on the phone said I should be aiming my antenna for South Bend, IN! PFFFT! Shows how much she knows!
post #437 of 3739
I know this isn't the right forum for this question, but I will ask here anyway. Getting ready to take the plunge into HDTV. Currently have only basic cable so I thought I'd try OTA HD initially. I am near UP Mall and my roof antenna is pointing south so I should be able to get most of the local stations with that orientation (if the trees don't interfere). If I have read previous posts correctly, ABC OTA is not HD yet, right?

Is there any easy way to switch back and forth between cable and antenna? I assume there must be some kind of switch box with two BNC inputs and one BNC output and a manual toggle. Does Best Buy have that kind of thing or will I need to go to Radio Shack?

Thanks for the help.
post #438 of 3739
Thread Starter 
RS would have a coax switch - I believe they even have remote versions.

Generally speaking, people use F connector cables, not BNCs, for television.
post #439 of 3739
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Originally Posted by justalurker View Post

Generally speaking, people use F connector cables, not BNCs, for television.

I forgot what they were called. I know what a BNC is, just "misspoke." Thanks.
post #440 of 3739
Looks like ND fans will have to settle for SD for the opener....

Sorry irish fans......
post #441 of 3739
Thread Starter 
WBND-LP, WMWB-LP and WMYS-LP's apps for digital companion stations have all been ruled "singletons"!

Full applications for construction permits can now be filed (due by October 30th).
Once those full applications are approved construction can begin.
Once construction is complete, digital broadcasting can begin.
post #442 of 3739
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Originally Posted by justalurker View Post

WBND-LP, WMWB-LP and WMYS-LP's apps for digital companion stations have all been ruled "singletons"!

Full applications for construction permits can now be filed (due by October 30th).
Once those full applications are approved construction can begin.
Once construction is complete, digital broadcasting can begin.

So what does this mean? I'd guess another whole season shot including bowl games given how fast this stuff moves.
post #443 of 3739
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Originally Posted by idttywlm View Post

So what does this mean? I'd guess another whole season shot including bowl games given how fast this stuff moves.

It means that construction permits could be sent out as soon as November if they
filed for them quickly and the FCC has time to look them over. HVS said it would only take weeks to get ABC on the air in HD, so the earliest, I am GUESSING, is December. The slow part will not be Weigel, that is for sure. It's now in the hands of the FCC.

Singletons mean that nobody else filed for the same channel. If they did, all the people who filed for that channel would go to an auction and the highest bidder would win. In Chicago, 3 broadcasters filed to get channel 49. That will most certainly go to auction.
post #444 of 3739
So they were approved to have a digital broadcast? Now they need to have construction permit ?

If so...this is great news.
post #445 of 3739
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Originally Posted by lonegeek View Post

So they were approved to have a digital broadcast? Now they need to have construction permit ?

If so...this is great news.

To be correct, they were approved to try for a digital broadcast on those channels.
Now, they resubmit the data in a more detailed way and show they don't interfere with any full-power analog or digital stations. They also notify those relatively nearby stations of what they want to do, and as long as there are no objections, then the FCC will look at it, and then issue them construction permits. At that point, they can build.

It sounds like a lot of steps, and it is...so it will take some months before this all goes through. Weigel's been going as fast as the government gears will let them go...which is to say, not very fast.
post #446 of 3739
Well I would say more than a few weeks. We have to install DTV antennas, transmission line, transmitters, stuff like that. The transmission path to southbend is already in place.
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

It means that construction permits could be sent out as soon as November if they
filed for them quickly and the FCC has time to look them over. HVS said it would only take weeks to get ABC on the air in HD, so the earliest, I am GUESSING, is December. The slow part will not be Weigel, that is for sure. It's now in the hands of the FCC.

Singletons mean that nobody else filed for the same channel. If they did, all the people who filed for that channel would go to an auction and the highest bidder would win. In Chicago, 3 broadcasters filed to get channel 49. That will most certainly go to auction.
post #447 of 3739
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

Well I would say more than a few weeks. We have to install DTV antennas, transmission line, transmitters, stuff like that. The transmission path to southbend is already in place.

You mean you're not going to hold up the antenna for us on the tower until
it's up permanently? That's what I was figuring in my post!

In all seriousness though, yes, I was too aggressive by saying that. Not to mention weather and other factors can slow you down. We'll see...
post #448 of 3739
Actually duct tape and some RG6 came to mind. Yeah those winters out there.....yikes!!!
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

You mean you're not going to hold up the antenna for us on the tower until
it's up permanently? That's what I was figuring in my post!

In all seriousness though, yes, I was too aggressive by saying that. Not to mention weather and other factors can slow you down. We'll see...
post #449 of 3739
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

Well I would say more than a few weeks.

Let's say you were a betting person...what date would you put your money on for WBND-DT to go live based on what you know now?
post #450 of 3739
Well we know the transmitters, antennas, and plumbing so far. As for dates, I wouldn't even have a ball park. It is soooo dependent on the FCC,weather, and delivery time for equipment. I would imagine that once we have the permits and the equipment on site it would happen rather quickly. We had the new trans for WCIU-DT installed, proofed, and online within two weeks. There is SB, we have 3 new antennas, transmission line, and the trans's themselves to install. One thing I can tell you is we wont just throw it in to have it on the air. We will take a little time and make sure that everything's done right the first time.
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Originally Posted by Mike Lang View Post

Let's say you were a betting person...what date would you put your money on for WBND-DT to go live based on what you know now?
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