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post #1111 of 1278
Comcast just reinstated HBO On Demand in HD. To try it out we watched Days of Thunder, and we were gratified to see it was in OAR (2.25 or so).
post #1112 of 1278
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Originally Posted by VideoGrabber View Post

Joel wrote:
> I think (this) is the first OAR airing of any recent film on HBO/MAX since "Oceans 13". <<br />
That is correct. Here's most of the OAR 2.35 airings on HBO/MAX for the last year.
Code:
may16- MAX  YOU KILL ME                           '07  1:33  @235
may18- MAX  POPEYE                                '80  1:53  @235
jun04- MAX  FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF              '86  1:43  @235  
jun10- MAX  ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST          '69  2:45  @235

jun16- HBO  OCEAN'S THIRTEEN                      '07  2:02  @235 

jul08- MAX  I.Q                                   '94  1:36  @235  
jul13- MAX  TOP GUN                               '86  1:49  @235  
jul29- MAX  ODD COUPLE, The                       '68  1:45  @235
aug16- MAX  STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN       '82  1:53  @235, =regrab
sep02- MAX  PAINT YOUR WAGON                      '69  2:36  @235
sep02- MAX  STAR TREK: GENERATIONS                '94  1:57  @235  
sep04- MAX  EVENT HORIZON                         '97  1:35  @235
sep04- MAX  DROP ZONE                             '94  1:41  @235
sep25- HBO  I.Q.                                  '94  1:35  @235, hv.max=dup
oct24- MAX  ELEPHANT MAN, The                     '80  2:03  @235, b&w 

jan13- MAX  LADY SINGS THE BLUES                  '72  2:23  @235
feb26- MAX  HUSTLER, The                          '61  2:14  @235, b&w
apr06- MAX  DOORS, The                            '91  2:20  @235
may17- MAX  MOTHER OF TEARS                       '07  1:40  @235
Omitted are films I already had recorded in OAR (potentially from HDNet Movies or Showtime) when they aired during that interval.

- Tim

Once upon a time in West upscale ?
post #1113 of 1278
Once Upon a Time in the West was real HD.

Also, the OP missed Cinemax showing Ocean's Eleven (the original from 1960) in 2.35:1 on MAX.
post #1114 of 1278
HDNET showed once upon a in time west but it was upconvert.
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kevinsert commented:
> Once upon a time in West upscale ? <<br />
I'm not sure if you're asking or telling (or even what language you're trying to speak), but as Bill indicated, it was in true HD on Cinemax.

> HDNET showed once upon a in time west but it was UPSCALE.. <<br />
I think you probably meant HDNet Movies, not HDNet, but in either case, neither of those channels air any upconverted material. What made you think it was upscaled?

kucharsk wrote:
> Also, the OP missed Cinemax showing Ocean's Eleven (the original from 1960) in 2.35:1 on MAX. <<br />
I'm not sure if you're referring to my list, but if so, there's lots of stuff I "missed". I only reported on a narrow time-window, and left out films (like the original Ocean's Eleven) that had aired earlier and I had already recorded in OAR. In this case, by the time it aired on MAX, I already had it from HDNet Movies, at least a year earlier.

- Tim
post #1116 of 1278
my native language Turkish and im fully certain that C'era una volta il West was UPCONVERT!!!and it was HDNET MOVIES !!!
what made you think they never airs upconverted content ?
post #1117 of 1278
Can somone post some screenshot from Cinemax HD transfer ? or anyone still have it ?
post #1118 of 1278
Once Upon a Time in the West was indeed an upconvert on HDNet...


post #1119 of 1278
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Originally Posted by kevinsert View Post

my native language Turkish and im fully certain that C'era una volta il West was UPCONVERT

And what exactly is it that makes you certain it was an upconvert??

Both you and .exe are incorrect.
post #1120 of 1278
Are you Blind ?
post #1121 of 1278
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Originally Posted by sillysam View Post

And what exactly is it that makes you certain it was an upconvert??

Both you and .exe are incorrect.

My blind grandmother called... she says its an upconvert.
post #1122 of 1278
Sorry, actual HD on MAX and HDNet Movies.

Certainly the version they've been showing at least since January has been true HD.
post #1123 of 1278
Pfft..you guys dont have any idea about what is HD ? Do you
post #1124 of 1278
.exe is right

I compared hdnet and DVD. Basically no improvement except epic over sharpening

DVD on left, HDnet on right.

post #1125 of 1278
kevinsert wrote:
> my native language Turkish... <<br />
Ah, well then, your English is vastly better than my Turkish. Your initial posts were confusing to me, but I'll cut you some slack.

> and im fully certain that C'era una volta il West was UPCONVERT!!!and it was HDNET MOVIES !!! <<br />
Thanks for the correction to HDNet Movies, and not HDNet.

> what made you think they never airs upconverted content ? <<br />
Public statements made by Mark Cuban, the owner of the HDNets.

Eric, thanks for posting the pix. I'll try and find a minute to pull up both the MAX and HDNMV recordings, and see what I've got here. As Bill indicated, my recording off HDNMV was from this year (April'09), and since I already had it from MAX, the main reason I recorded it again from HDNMV was because they labeled it with a runtime of 2:59, indicating it was the long, restored version. As it turned out, that was incorrect , and it was the same 2:45 version I had from MAX.

I would be surprised if HDNMV had previously aired an upconvert, but I'll believe Eric if he's sure that's where his came from. Surprised partly because I've recorded everything they've aired since Sep18/2004. Though if they did air an upconvert of this film, I would have already purged it (probably with a red-flagged note in my logs, which I have none). They do get their transfers from outside companies, and I suppose it is possible that a handful of upconverts may have snuck through, though I've been told they screen for that. But they've made plenty of other mistakes over the years (most frequently being clueless about actual runtimes).

spongyfungy wrote:
> DVD on left, HDnet on right. <<br />
Ah, that's opposite to the way the files are named on the host site, FYI. But it doesn't help when you post images you've done scaling on yourself. Aside from a bit of mosquito-noise, those two are virtually identical, which makes one wonder.

I'll get back here in a bit, when I have something more to contribute.

- Tim
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Thanks Tim
post #1127 of 1278
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Originally Posted by kevinsert View Post

Pfft..you guys dont have any idea about what is HD ? Do you

No sense in arguing any further. I've seen this type of discussion before. Best of luck to you in learning about HD. You have a ways to go.
post #1128 of 1278
HDNet Movies is showing Reservoir Dogs in extremely sharp, uncropped HD. I mean truly sharp, not phony edge-enhanced "sharpness." One of the best-looking movies D* has ever delivered to my Kuro plasma. And it was released in 1992!
post #1129 of 1278
Quote:
Originally Posted by spongyfungy View Post

.exe is right

I compared hdnet and DVD. Basically no improvement except epic over sharpening

DVD on left, HDnet on right.


How do you received HDNet Movies?

There's a pretty clear difference for me via E*.
post #1130 of 1278
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Originally Posted by kucharsk View Post

How do you received HDNet Movies?

There's a pretty clear difference for me via E*.

I receive it via QAM Cable uncompressed. dishnetwork IIRC is transcoded 1440x1080 h.264

How are you coming to conclusion that there is a clear difference? Do you have samples or a screenshot?
post #1131 of 1278
We just got Showtime and TMC in HD. Seems they show most films OAR.
post #1132 of 1278
Tin Cup is 2.35:1 on Golf Channel right now!
post #1133 of 1278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

We just got Showtime and TMC in HD. Seems they show most films OAR.

No they aren't. Most upscales are, most HD movies are cropped (if they were truly OAR most of us would jump to them immediately).
post #1134 of 1278
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Originally Posted by suki84 View Post

Tin Cup is 2.35:1 on Golf Channel right now!

yeah that was unexpected


post #1135 of 1278
Quote:
Originally Posted by spongyfungy View Post

yeah that was unexpected



Surprising. I tuned into them for this movie a while back and it was not OAR at all (in fact I don't even think it was HD). Hopefully it will get a BD release soon.
post #1136 of 1278
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

No they aren't. Most upscales are, most HD movies are cropped (if they were truly OAR most of us would jump to them immediately).

With Showtime that is partly true. They show their movies OAR but some are upconverts yes but that does not necessarily mean most of the open matte are HD. I don't have the hard facts or the numbers to back me up but on showtime's website they used to indicate whether the movies were either an upconvert or true HD.
post #1137 of 1278
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

No they aren't. Most upscales are, most HD movies are cropped (if they were truly OAR most of us would jump to them immediately).

This is most definitely not the case. SHOWTIME nearly always shows movies in OAR. And even when they are given a cropped movie, they will go to the effort to get the correct one. (An example is CASINO ROYALE, in which they were originally provided with a 16X9 version. While they had to broadcast it, they went back to the studio for the 2.35 version and started showing that. Another example is CRASH. Except for HDNet, no channel does more to show films in OAR. It's a shame that HBO and STARZ don't do the same.
post #1138 of 1278
My apologies for the long delay. Today was the first chance I've had to set up an ImageBAM account and upload these examples.

I grabbed a fresh copy from HDNet Movies myself to make sure the OP didn't have some source-related problem (compressed or molested signal distribution chain). He later indicated a clean, pass-thru cable feed, which is what I have, and the two captures look very similar. I didn't spend a lot of time trying to find exactly the same frame as the OP, but did try and match my 2 caps, though there is a small vertical offset.



HDNet Movies on the left (from this April), CineMAX on the right (from last June). The difference is pretty dramatic, and rather disappointing for HDNet Movies, which also had some significant edge enhancement applied (easily visible and objectionable in scenes with a high-contrast hat brim outlined against the sky, e.g.).

- Tim

P.S. Another telltale is to look at the scanlines at the top and bottom of the image. There's obvious evidence there indicating that scalar processing was employed on the HDNet film. (If the overall softness and complete lack of detail wasn't enough to clue you in.) And EE is frequently applied after upconversion, to try and get some of the lost sharpness back.
post #1139 of 1278
DaveFi commented on ShowtimeHD:
> ...most HD movies are cropped. <<br />
I'm not sure why you say this, Dave? That hasn't been my experience (though I have major beefs with them for completely different reasons). I've observed the same thing as Joel, and when problems did arise I've seen them correct it after my report at least twice in the last 5 years.

- Tim
post #1140 of 1278
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Originally Posted by VideoGrabber View Post

DaveFi commented on ShowtimeHD:
> ...most HD movies are cropped. <<br />
I'm not sure why you say this, Dave? That hasn't been my experience (though I have major beefs with them for completely different reasons). I've observed the same thing as Joel, and when problems did arise I've seen them correct it after my report at least twice in the last 5 years.

- Tim

I gave a caveat of "almost". I've had them too in the past, and contacted them, when having problems. In the beginning they were quite responsive- after a while they stopped caring. There were complaints about them, too many, especially about how their bug appeared, running commercials for forthcoming shows during the credits etc, etc. You will find long threads about them in the forum here, and it's not just their "OAR" policy that drove people away from them.
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