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post #31 of 853
Thread Starter 
MM-
I'm still not sure what you mean when you say SMG. When I got my metallic silver at HD, I bought Metallic Silver (#748). Doesn't say anything about glaze added and it's thick and gloopy. I didn't see any other Metallic Silver mixes.

That mix was just a whim when I was mixing. The thinking was: what could be easier than an equal parts mix of 4 components? Hard to screw that up. Unfortunately, it wasn't worth the effort.

After I confirm my formula (tonight or tomorrow) I will try your formula on one of the panels. I just need clarification on your SMG basecoat.

Thanks, Scoob
post #32 of 853
I need to ask. I think I have seen (maybe by scob5555) posted that they painted with a mixture of:

The current try was:
33% Faux glaze
32% clear flat base
20% Misty Evening
15% Silver metallic
etc....

Is that right? Did home depot mix it for you?

Another dumb question.... is that four seperate paint cans?

Sorry I know that is dumb, but I am still learning here.
post #33 of 853
Thread Starter 
Craig,

That is the current mix I'm using. I am mixing myself (using a glass measuring cup) and in small batches - just enough for one or two panels.

And another yes: these are separate cans (quarts) of paint. I bought the Silver metallic #748 and the faux glaze #743 from the specialty paints section at Home Depot. Also bought the Misty Evening there (using the Glidden Evermore indoor/outdoor Masonry/Stucco base #1). The clear flat base is from WalMart - color place #5053. You should also get a primer or good white paint for the base coat(s). And I use the 6" foam roller from HD, too - it eats much less paint than standard rollers and I can control the evenness more easily.

By all means start slowly with the Misty Evening. It's good enough for most people and is still good enough for me (while I hash out this one-coat ddog-like formulation, at least).

Good luck and stay tuned.
post #34 of 853
Thread Starter 
CMRA-
I re-revisited your Gladiator shot (hand grabbing the arrow) and took another shot at lower res on my camera. Comparing mine with yours I think I have an additional theory on the differences: your pj is setup to be brighter somewhat than mine. I can't say which is actually better (to each his own, etc) but I've attached a pic that shows pretty well what I'm seeing, though the image is slightly darker in the pic than actual viewing onscreen.

I ask that you compare to yours with this in mind: the gladiators have been training and competing outdoors for months, during the summer months in the desert. Max should be significantly more tan than he appears in your shot and probably not as tan as he appears in mine.

What do you think?
LL
post #35 of 853
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Originally posted by scoob5555
MM-
I'm still not sure what you mean when you say SMG. When I got my metallic silver at HD, I bought Metallic Silver (#748). Doesn't say anything about glaze added and it's thick and gloopy. I didn't see any other Metallic Silver mixes.

After I confirm my formula (tonight or tomorrow) I will try your formula on one of the panels. I just need clarification on your SMG basecoat.


Whoa. Sometimes ya gotta admit to a goof. I went to Home Depot today and bought 3 different mixes & Silver Metallic. Note I did not add "glaze" because today I noticed that although the SM is located on the same shelf, and beside other true Glazes, it itself is not a glaze. Unless you look at it closely and it sure looks "glazy" to me. But I do feel pretty about it all. I should'nt have been wearing my in the store.

I got ME, and two custom mixes as well a SM, which will be dilluted with another color not ME.

That's four different screens, and after I get them all up and glowing, I'll then paint a single piece of parkland with all four mixes and line 'em up for your pleasue and edification.
post #36 of 853
Quote:


Originally posted by scoob5555
CMRA-

I ask that you compare to yours with this in mind: the gladiators have been training and competing outdoors for months, during the summer months in the desert. Max should be significantly more tan than he appears in your shot and probably not as tan as he appears in mine.

What do you think?

Now that's a redo! A little brighter and you'll put me out of business! BTW, keep up the good work. Don't think for a moment it's not appreciated.
post #37 of 853
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Originally posted by scoob5555
CMRA-
I can't say which is actually better (to each his own, etc) but I've attached a pic that shows pretty well what I'm seeing, though the image is slightly darker in the pic than actual viewing onscreen.

What do you think?

The more I study your screenshot the more I like it. Hey, who knows, you may have just created ME-plus! I have to wonder how LCD would look with its SDE limitation.
post #38 of 853
Thread Starter 
RE: SDE
If I move closer than my standard viewing distance (about 12') I can start to see screendoor, but as long as I'm at 1.5x or greater than screen width (82"), it's not noticeable.

I would love to see this with a DLP and even better CR.
post #39 of 853
scoob5555,

Amazing! Are you using the Z1?
post #40 of 853
Thread Starter 
All-

I project with the Epson TW100 (800:1 CR model). I have it set to the Theater mode and usually use the skin tone setting of 3 (but 2 looks pretty good sometimes, too). The color decoder is very good on this model so I do not have any tweaks to the colors at all. The only settings I need to adjust (for damat white or Misty Evening) are white and black levels.

I recommend this pj for everyone, but this is not the forum for that, so that's all I'll say.
post #41 of 853
Scoob5555,

Can you describe what is the colour of the mixed paint? Did the greenish of ME remove? Is the colour of the mixed paint lighter than ME or darker?
post #42 of 853
Scoob5555,

Let us know the final ingredients and percentages. This screen shot is hard to believe. I'm not one for overstatements. I believe when my Z2 finally arrives (if ever) this will be the mix. From what I've been hearing the screendoor effect is all but eliminated in the Z2 and with your screen's color reproduction accuracy it will be a easy choice. Thanks for the screen shots and effort!
post #43 of 853
Scoob5555,
Tonight I prime. Tomorrow I plan to paint. Right now I think I will go with you ME+ formula:

33% Faux glaze
32% clear flat base
20% Misty Evening
15% Silver metallic

I have a foam roller as well as a very short nap mohair roller which I also read does a great job with tricky mixes. I'll try both to see what works best. Did you lightly wet sand afterward to kill any sheen or is the screen good to go as is?

You've made me a believer AND even seems to be closing in on the coveted CMRA seal of approval.
post #44 of 853
Thread Starter 
DIP-

Color of the mix is pretty gray. If you look closely, it looks, not surprisingly, a lot like a silver suspension in slightly off-white paint. It looks grayer than ME when dried.

FlawlessOne-

I'm sticking with the mix shown above by Johnstof.

Johnstof-

I hadn't sanded these practice panels, but I will do so for the repaint of the real screen, per MM's instruction.

Then I will, inevitably try MM's formulation on a test panel. Unless, that is, MM beats me to it and posts some comparison shots with ME and/or the ME+ formula.
post #45 of 853
I have to jump in for an update I have tried the pure ME solution, and played with my own mix of ME and silver metallic Glaze. See the "a better grey screen" thread for details.

I gave up on trying to get my 50/50 SM/ME mix SM glaze overcoat right. I think it has some promise, but I just don't have the time to keep trying.

I did however break down and roll a slightly modified coat of Scoob's hybrid. All I can say is WOW. I had a few people over (general public, not picky AVS forum types) last night and they all commented on how much sharper the pictured looked on it vs the 50/50 mix I have on another screen. The picture was very bright with great contrast and color. It didn't work quite as well with ambient light as my 50/50 mix, but overall this is a great solution as far as I am concerned.

I went with approx

30% faux glaze
30% clear flat base
20% ME
20% SM

I hate to say it, but I think I am satisfied with this solution....
.... for now.
post #46 of 853
I've been following these ME threads with interest and now it's time to jump in. A bonehead question, tho. The "clear, flat base"... Is that a Glidden product? I saw "flat, accent base" at WalMart - is that the same? It's kinda milky. Thanks for any opinions .
w
post #47 of 853
Thread Starter 
Dubya-
Clear flat base I'm using is from WalMart and is the Color Place #5053. It looks milky white, but it dries completely colorless and transparent. I'm sure Glidden makes one, too, but I got this one from the ddog thread and it works. And it's cheaper than the Glidden stuff by $2-3.
post #48 of 853
m3wannabee,
What did you paint this mix over, what was the base coat? I picked up all the ingredients last night from HD and am planning on trying a few different mixes this weekend.
If I can figure out my new HVLP gun, I'm going to do a ddog mix, also straight ME, and then this new ME/ddog mix. I've even picked up a few cans of silver metallic paints that I'm going to try, just for fun.
I'm planning on a flat white base coat of Kilz for all the projects, but if I don't need to on this mix, it will make it a little easier.
post #49 of 853
Wow, great job Scoob and others. I have a 10' drywall ME screen now that I am happy with. But, like all of us, I know anything can be improved! After I work on suspending my HS10 from our cellar ceiling tomorrow my next project is to paint 1/2 of my drywall screen with Scoob's ME+ and compare it to CMRA's ME. I am struggling with getting good shots with my Canon A20 3.3 but will try my best! I suppose a tripod would help.

John in Northern NY
post #50 of 853
Omzig,

I rolled my ME+, if that is what we are going to call it, on top of a 50%ME/50%Silver Metallic undercoat. Funny enough there are probably five or six layers of experimental paint total. I would suspect that a coating a primer followed by a plain coat of ME and then the ME+ would give you the same results.
post #51 of 853
He yall,

I am not very experienced in painting so I had a few questions. Once I go out and buy the do-able board, what do I do next? Do I sand it first, then apply a base for the actual ME+ mix? or do I just mix them all together and just paint and let it dry? Please help this dumb fella out. Thanks
post #52 of 853
Thread Starter 
If the surface is glossy, sand/scuff it and then prime with a Kilz2 coat or two. Then you can either paint with the ME+ mix or - as I've done - paint a base coat or two of just ME, then do the ME+ on top of that.

You may even try a base coat of Ultra Pure White (Flat or eggshell or satin) with the ME+ on top of that. That would be closest to the ddog formulation while remaining a lot easier to apply.
post #53 of 853
Looks like ME+ is going in the right direction. I sure would like to see it in direct comparison to my new screen shots of 'Finding Nemo' on page 10 of "CMRA posts misty grey screenshot".
MissMan, if your'e finished with that sandwich, I would really like some salvos from you too. I'm expecting great stuff.
post #54 of 853
Thread Starter 
Don't currently own Nemo, but will probably get for Christmas (not for me!).

MM won't be happy with more animation SS. But it can show how vivid colors can look on these DIY screens.

Playing Mr. Mom this weekend, so no time to paint or take SS.
post #55 of 853
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Originally posted by scoob5555
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Playing Mr. Mom this weekend, so no time to paint or take SS. [/b]

Drats. And, I was really looking forward to some hybrid pix. Scoob, I really like what I have seen so far of ME+. You, my friend, are doing a fabulous job. So much so, I'm planning a trip to HD.
MissMan, this guy's on a roll. Will you lead or follow?
post #56 of 853
Quote:


Originally posted by actonweber
Wow, great job Scoob and others. I have a 10' drywall ME screen now that I am happy with. But, like all of us, I know anything can be improved! After I work on suspending my HS10 from our cellar ceiling tomorrow my next project is to paint 1/2 of my drywall screen with Scoob's ME+ and compare it to CMRA's ME. I am struggling with getting good shots with my Canon A20 3.3 but will try my best! I suppose a tripod would help.

John in Northern NY

So, John, is it soup yet? Even without screen shots, what's your report? CMRA
post #57 of 853
It's a long story but it took all day to suspend the HS10 from the ceiling, move the HT components to a nice wall mount shelving system from Crutchfield and make a pasta dinner for 14 (real Sicilian stuff!). Won't get to the ME+ until Monday. But we did the new Lion King and a Jim Carrey flick for the family tonight and they were in awe of the pj and ME screen (a kickass sound system helps too.) More after Monday about the ME+.

John in Northern NY
post #58 of 853
Thread Starter 
Ok, here are a few shots taken at low resolution. ME+ on the right, ME on the left. The line between the two is invisible, but the difference is readily visible.

In these shots, the PJ is calibrated for ME+ side, but the difference between the panels is only a few notches of white level.

First, the ring.
LL
post #59 of 853
Thread Starter 
And yet another from Gladiator. Check out Max's face.
LL
post #60 of 853
Thread Starter 
And the last from Gladiator. SHows how good the brighter colors can look when you add a little silver.

Now back to painting and experimenting.
LL
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