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post #331 of 4506
Good to hear that Jerry. Be happy to watch some HDTV from FOX.




question for everyone with OTA reception:
If you are able to get 17-1 with no issues, please state your location, antenna setup and equipment.


I can get 75% or better on PBS, CBS, Fox, NBC, ABC, channel 4,

WB is a washout, barley 20% on a good day. This is with my antenna (Channel Master 3016, preamp, and Samsung TS160 receiver)

I live out off of Old Jennings Road, about 22-25 miles according to AntennaWeb and have an attic mounted antenna. I dont want the big ugly thing outside unless I can defintely get the WB since Im able to get the others just fine. Anyone have one of those stealthtennas or
winegard sensar?

- Jack
post #332 of 4506
Jack
I live off of doctor's Lake Drive on the north side of Doctor's Lake in Orange Park, not too far from you and unfortunately I have never been able to get WB especially in the last 3-4 months (I moved here in July 2003). I have a Large (60+/- inch directional antenna - bought from Home Depot) on a 35 foot mast and I receive all other channels at 90 to 100 percent.

I had been emailing/talking with George Birnbaum over at the WB and he was willing to test his side of things, but unfortunately I dropped the ball and stop sending him signal strenght ratings on a regular basis.

If we all could periodically track our signal strength's on weaker channels and forward to him, I am sure he wouldn't mind - just make sure to include your equipment and location as well.
post #333 of 4506
I am 4 miles due west of the farm.

I get all channels including 17-1 between 123 and 125 on the Dish 921 receiver that maxes out at 125.

I use an outdoor small antenna from RatShack. Not sure of the model number but it has about a 5 ft. boom. It is on a 10 ft. mast above my roof line.

I know from experience that an attic inside antenna will only get about 10-15% of what it will do outside in the clear.

If I were you, I'd go to Home Depot and buy a 10 ft length of EMT and temporarily mount your antenna on your roof with some simple rope guywires. Check your signal. Be sure to rotate the antenna to find it's peak signal strength according to a meter on your receiver.
This way you will know if you are missing out by having the antenna inside and you can then make a decision on what to do about it.

Because these signals often have deep null lobes in the pattern, that you by just rotten luck may be in, you really want to run a test of a simple and quick/cheap setup before going to the trouble of erecting something permanent. I even just put an antenna on a couple of plastic lawn chairs on the roof to get an idea. When I got the antenna up 10ft on the mast, the signal went from 50-70% to pegging the meter. In my close location I was having some issues with WJXX that was the lowest and this is why I needed to go the 10 ft. mast route as it made everything solid.
post #334 of 4506
More Art than Science
post #335 of 4506
Im debating placing it outside, but if Gator can't get WB either with an outside mast, it seems pretty hopeless for now.

I have my antenna aimed pretty good for now (borrowed a GPS to get decent readings and aim).

Ill see about mounting it outside this weekend to see if I can get anything better.

- Jack
post #336 of 4506
I have the Moto 6200 box from Comcast. I had installed about a month ago. The OnDemand and HD comes in really well, havent had any major problems to report. I have yet to check out the new HD channels though. I have tried the firewire port hooked up to a Mits DVHS deck(courtesy of sysdoc), but we had no luck so far in getting a signal/recording onto the deck. I have read elsewhere about people having it work correctly. They do have the new firmware here which activates the firewire and DVI ports.

Chris
post #337 of 4506
Now that Fox is up I wonder when Comcast is going to add them. It would also be nice if they could add WB. Does anyone know anything about that?
post #338 of 4506
Not sure when they are going to adding Fox or WB, but for point of clarification FOX has been up for quite a while, I think you misread Jerry's post -- I hink he was saying that when Fox starts sending 720p material they are ready to go. Which is great news.

Jerry, what exactly did you guys have to convert to get ready. I have been reading a little about Fox's plan for distribution and it sounds pretty inovative, of course I know nothing of how it works.

By the Way, I still have not seen anything on PBSHD -- of course I have been gone every time something has been passed to us in HD, anyone know when we might see another glimpse of PBSHD???
post #339 of 4506
Jack,

I am about 15 miles from the antennas on the WS near 295 and Normandy Blvd. I have the second largest outdoor antenna you can get from RatShack mounted on a 10ft pole with a rotator. I have the rotator b/c I am having multipath issues with CBS. Comes in good at night with no break-ups and all kinds of break-ups from about 12:00pm until about 6:00pm.

As far as the WB, I get a strong 100 on my Hughes E86 sat receiver.
post #340 of 4506
I contacted Comcast on the 6208 and the FW and was told they don't have the 6208 yet and will let me know. They also said no FW support yet although I don't believe them! I have heard others getting the same feedback yet it is working for them with recording. Lots of info in the recording section on these cable boxes.

As for the MIts DVHS VCR- you have to jump through some hoops to get it to be sensed by a source device. The procedure is in the manual but if you need me to outline it for you, I will. Basically, you need to scan the I-link connections to see if they show up. They may or may not be listed but if you get signal, it will record without the "CP". If you always get CP then you have no connection. The JVC is easier to set up but IMO, doesn't produce as good a PQ as the Mits. JVC suffers more pixelation and is more sensitive to tape quality than the Mits. I have the JVC40K and the Mits 2000U
post #341 of 4506
Note: PBS HDTV program on tonight:

IN SEARCH OF SHAKESPEARE
Note: High Definition

Wednesdays at
8:00 PM ET
February 4 - 25


Let's see if WJCT puts this through.
I have looked and it appears than much of PBS network programming is not in HDTV but rather in SD upconvert with wide screen. I have not yet seen any HDTV from WJCT TV so I will try to tune in tonight at 8PM to see if it is being sent yet.

Other nights for HDTV are supposed to be:

Sundays at
2:30 PM ET
February 1-29
check local listings
JAKERS! THE ADVENTURES OF PIGGLEY WINKS
Note: High Definition

Sundays at
7:00 PM ET
February 1 - 29
check local listings
AMERICAN FAMILY
Note: High Definition


All other stuff is either SD Widescreen or SD 4:3 programming.

Please let me know if I missed anything. I heard a rumor that PBS is planning to ramp up it's true (non-upconvert) HDTV soon so maybe Smitty will be ready in time for this.
post #342 of 4506
Cool, Thanks Don, did you pull that from PBS's webpage?
post #343 of 4506
Last week I exchanged the moto 5100 for the 6200 w/firmware 7.07. Firewire is indeed active. Was able to get HD signal and DD 5.1 on the Mits 65711. Did notice some screen pausing and occasional pixelation which I never see with component. This could be because I'm having to use a 13ft cable... might experiment with 6ft cable later ? Don't have the ability to check recording.
post #344 of 4506
Jeff- HDTV Magazine (e-mail version- subscription)
post #345 of 4506
Joey-

Thanks for the update, I plan to seriously revamp my inbound packages here with Comcast when they offer the 6208 and have added more HD channels, of course if DirecTv or Dish beats them to it...

Tip for 1394 users- If you get lots of dropped frames on 1394, try adding toroid ferrite RF chokes to each end of the FW cable. You can buy these at Radio Shack. It may help cut down any RFI from wireless phones and ethernet cabling and wifi connections, even vacuum cleaners running can cause RFI to disrupt the 1394 integrity.
post #346 of 4506
Quote:


Originally posted by Don Landis

Tip for 1394 users- If you get lots of dropped frames on 1394, try adding toroid ferrite RF chokes to each end of the FW cable. You can buy these at Radio Shack. It may help cut down any RFI from wireless phones and ethernet cabling and wifi connections, even vacuum cleaners running can cause RFI to disrupt the 1394 integrity. [/b]

Thanks Don !! I'll make a trip to RS today. Had no idea that I that RFI could be effecting my 1394 integrity. Lord know we're running all kinds of wireless in our house.

Do you think cable length is a none issue regarding 1394 integrity ?
post #347 of 4506
1394 should be good to 15ft.

I resolved several issues with RFI here using the chokes. I can't say that will fix your problem but it's a cheap enough preventitive and many FW cables come today with these chokes snapped on for this very reason. Had one video production company very near the TV antenna farm and they couldn't use FW until they snapped these onto their system cables
post #348 of 4506
No, I understand that Fox will be sending the signal OTA when the network starts passing the signal. My concern is that Comcast will not be ready and not of added a slot for it.

My hope is that when Fox starts sending the signal Comcast is ready to go. I guess my main concern is when they start with the baseball and football games later this year, I want to be able to watch them since I just have the Comcast Box. I also hope Comcast will add a spot for WB, since some of their programming is HD. They did just add Cinamax and Starz on 170 and 169
post #349 of 4506
Feb 18th, 2004
Report on PBS search for HDTV from WJCT DT--- NOT HDTV!

Sorry to say out WJCT is not passing the HDTV signal yet from PBS

38-1 (7-1) 480i letterbox High level of compression=very soft and micropixelated in movement.
IN SEARCH OF SHAKESPEARE

38-2 480i still graphic very soft image


38-3 480i Letterbox very soft image
IN SEARCH OF SHAKESPEARE

38-4 480i Letterbox very soft image
IN SEARCH OF SHAKESPEARE



Smitty-
If you are monitoring this, you need to run the HDTV version of
IN SEARCH OF SHAKESPEARE on 7-1 and put your still graphic announcements on 7-2. Or, run the HDTV version on 38-1 (7-1) and put a 480i version of IN SEARCH OF SHAKESPEARE on 38-2 and move the still graphic announcement with high level of compression on 38-3 Dump the extra instance on 38-4. Use more than 2 video or 2 video channels and 1 still when you are airing only SD. When you air HDTV restrict to only HDTV and one airing of 480i version. Makes no sense to air HDTV if the compression results in quality that looks worse than NTSC on EP VHS speed.


RF signal was also weak. Many nights it is good but tonight is was low in the 75-80 on a scale of 0-125 while all other channels were in the 122-125 range.
Receiver is the DishNetwork DVR921, outside LP yagi 24 ft. high, location is 4 miles due west of your tower, in visible sight.
post #350 of 4506
Don,

I just checked on all four channels (07-1 through 07-4) and though the Shakespeare program is on two of them, it is not in HD.

FYI...

Jonathan
Quote:


Originally posted by Don Landis
Note: PBS HDTV program on tonight:

IN SEARCH OF SHAKESPEARE
Note: High Definition

Wednesdays at
8:00 PM ET
February 4 - 25


Let's see if WJCT puts this through.
I have looked and it appears than much of PBS network programming is not in HDTV but rather in SD upconvert with wide screen. I have not yet seen any HDTV from WJCT TV so I will try to tune in tonight at 8PM to see if it is being sent yet.

Other nights for HDTV are supposed to be:

Sundays at
2:30 PM ET
February 1-29
check local listings
JAKERS! THE ADVENTURES OF PIGGLEY WINKS
Note: High Definition

Sundays at
7:00 PM ET
February 1 - 29
check local listings
AMERICAN FAMILY
Note: High Definition


All other stuff is either SD Widescreen or SD 4:3 programming.

Please let me know if I missed anything. I heard a rumor that PBS is planning to ramp up it's true (non-upconvert) HDTV soon so maybe Smitty will be ready in time for this.
post #351 of 4506
Out of curiosity, I notice that WUFT (36-1) from Gainesville is being listed on TitanTV and apparently is broadcasting quite a bit of HD. Has anyone tried pointing an antenna to Gainsville to see if a usable signal can be picked up?
post #352 of 4506
Here in White Springs, I am receiving video from WUFT on Channel 36-3 (PBS HD feed) and 36-4 (SD simulcast of analog channel 5). The HD feed is very good. The SD feed is poor (washed out/slightly out of focus). My Zenith receiver shows no video on channels 36-1 or 36-2.
post #353 of 4506
Well, I'm sort of moved in now in Jacksonville and I get most of the digital stations discussed above pretty well with a UHF only antenna on about a 13' mast in my living room. Heck, I might even leave it that way, or move it to the attic later.

I notice there is no local UPN affiliate. Are Jax HD'ers deprived of Star Trek: Enterprise? I think that was the only remaining show I watched on UPN.

Finally (marginally appropriate for this thread) my antenna seems to get a decent analog MTV on channel 43. Is this typical here or is it just picking up the cable channel somehow? I don't currently have cable. Very strange.

- Tom
post #354 of 4506
TBarry,

In the "How many of the 6 OTA hd channels can you rec" thread I wrote:

Quote:


The problem with UPN here is that there is no channel space for it. Clear Channel owns the CBS, FOX and the UPN affil. UPN shows are broadcast on the FOX station starting at 11:00 pm each night. Two years ago the Washington Post Company had the CBS affil in this market but they no longer wanted to pay the affil fees that CBS wanted. At that time Clear Channel had the UPN and Fox stations. FOX and UPN had its own station 47 and 30 respectively. Clear Channel acquired the rights to the CBS programming in this area and put the CBS programming on channel 47. That left the UPN programming without a dedicated station. SO CC opted to show the UPN programming on the FOX station starting at 11:00 pm. So technically we get UPN programming but it does not have its own station so we do not get the hd programming from UPN.

That is why there is not a UPN station. I have an outdoor antenna and do not pickup the analog MTV station. I have seen the analog station at someone else house who does not have hd.

Welcome to the city.
post #355 of 4506
"I had been emailing/talking with George Birnbaum over at the WB and he was willing to test his side of things, but unfortunately I dropped the ball and stop sending him signal strenght ratings on a regular basis."

Jeff- since you have a connection going with George, could you do me a favor? We discovered a strange situation with WJWB 17-1 and 17-2 last night. It seems that his channel will not permit recording on a PVR921. All other channels record fine. Try to find out if he is adding some broadcast flag to prevent PVR recording usage. I have not yet tested the DVHS VCR recording of his channels but I plan to try that too. This is not a unique Jacksonville issue. People are reporting stations at random around the nation having this same problem. Many have reported it with PBS channels but Our PBS multicasting is working fine here with PVR recording functions. WJWB is the only channel that appears to be immune or PVR copy protected. The jury is still out whether this is a 921 issue or a station issue.
TIA
post #356 of 4506
Comcast has added two more HD channels, Cinemax and Starz. Starz actually only shows 1 or 2 movies in HD, the rest are 4:3 garbage. Cinemax is just like HBO and Showtime, showing 90% in HD. Glad to see some more programming to watch in HD.
post #357 of 4506
Don, sorry I haven't responded, I have been traveling quite a bit and my travel schedule is about to pick up quite a bit, so I probably will not be able to keep a steady dialogue with George to be of any use. He is very accesible via email though, I would suggest anyone that needs questions answered to email him. In matter of fact I would suggest everyone here drop off a quick email saying hello -- let him know we are out there.

sorry I can't help out anymore than that.
post #358 of 4506
the 811 with Dish network yesterday. We were trying to get a lock on the OTA channels, which gave us a run for our money.

We ended up trying to use the different antennas we already had, but then had to go buy an Indoor antenna from Radio Shack.

Since we are in an apartment, we cant do the big outdoor antennas.

Anyway, we are able to get all but 2 stations. We cant pick up Wtlv or WJCT.

Antennaweb shows we are no more than 5 miles from all stations.

Anyone have any tips that I could explore?

Thanks.
post #359 of 4506
Can you manually enter the channels? I had the same problem with a mdp-120, but by using titantv to schedule a recording from each station, it added the channels I couldn't. Once added, they work fine.
post #360 of 4506
I can go into the OTA setup, type in the numbers, where it shows the signal strength for each channel. Sometimes I can get a lock and get the chance to name it.

Or do you mean enter the numbers like I would If I were just changing channels, not setting up?

I have them added and can scroll through them on the remote...I just cant seem to get WTLV or WJCT.
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