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post #931 of 10293
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Originally posted by walterc
I watched a little bit of the Georgia Tech, NC State game on WHNS-DT and it wasn't listed as HD, but it didn't have the black bars. It did seem like a nice digital upconvert though.

It was just stretched to 16 X 9. The picture looked horrible on my end. I can not stand to watch when they sretch a 4 X 3 show. Why they dont send out the shows in their original format and let the end user manipulate to their preference is something I dont understand. It took a long time but ESPN-HD figured out that is what people want.
post #932 of 10293
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Originally posted by Apps1
It was just stretched to 16 X 9. The picture looked horrible on my end. I can not stand to watch when they sretch a 4 X 3 show. Why they dont send out the shows in their original format and let the end user manipulate to their preference is something I dont understand. It took a long time but ESPN-HD figured out that is what people want.

I don't know about the most recent products, but from earlier experience, the encoders take a while to restart/relock when changing from 480i to 1080i or 720p and back. If they were to do as you suggest, there would be serious problems whenever they change from HD to SD and back.

If this is still the current situation, the station needs to leave the encoder in the HD mode they are using, and up-convert the SD feed before reaching the encoder. This can be either 4:3, or stretched to 16:9, or somewhere in between. There was earlier discussion in this thread about the advantages/disadvantages of running 4:3 non-stretched, and issues of screen-burn, etc.

I can't speak for all displays, but if either of mine is receiving a 16:9 signal, there is no further manipulation possible. I can only do stretch and/or zoom when receiving SD, in 4:3, so if the station chooses to run 4:3 not stretched, there is no choice at my end except to have the side panels.

If ESPN does it differently, perhaps they have more than one encoder, and a way to switch them before transmission. This could be economical given the total number of potential customers, vs the local stations.

Does your receiver change from 480i to 1080i when they change from HD to SD, or does your display allow stretching a 16:9 even wider to make the gray bars disappear?
post #933 of 10293
I know for a fact that WHNS is stretching outside of network. If you want it changed, you will have to let them know or won't be changed.
post #934 of 10293
I e-mailed Stan Crumley myself and told him what I thought about it. All of our other local affiliates that broadcast in HD use the sidebars for 4:3 and broadcast in either 1080i or 720p the entire time, essentially upconverting the SD signal. WHNS is in 720p, BUT the SD picture is stretched and looks horrible. Everyone here that doesn't like the stretched picture, e-mail him at: Stan.Crumley@foxcarolina.com. Don't be afraid to express your opinion! Why they are doing this, I have no idea. Common sense says to leave the 4:3 signal at 4:3 and not mess up the ratio.
post #935 of 10293
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Originally posted by dashaund
I e-mailed Stan Crumley myself and told him what I thought about it. All of our other local affiliates that broadcast in HD use the sidebars for 4:3 and broadcast in either 1080i or 720p the entire time, essentially upconverting the SD signal. WHNS is in 720p, BUT the SD picture is stretched and looks horrible. Everyone here that doesn't like the stretched picture, e-mail him at: Stan.Crumley@foxcarolina.com. Don't be afraid to express your opinion! Why they are doing this, I have no idea. Common sense says to leave the 4:3 signal at 4:3 and not mess up the ratio.

I just sent my e-mail.
post #936 of 10293
e-mailed him last night
post #937 of 10293
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Originally posted by dashaund
I e-mailed Stan Crumley myself and told him what I thought about it. All of our other local affiliates that broadcast in HD use the sidebars for 4:3 and broadcast in either 1080i or 720p the entire time, essentially upconverting the SD signal. WHNS is in 720p, BUT the SD picture is stretched and looks horrible. Everyone here that doesn't like the stretched picture, e-mail him at: Stan.Crumley@foxcarolina.com. Don't be afraid to express your opinion! Why they are doing this, I have no idea. Common sense says to leave the 4:3 signal at 4:3 and not mess up the ratio.
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I just sent my email.

FYI. I just changed from a Trek55(a.k.a P.O.S) to the CM4228. Wow what a difference. I now get everything. I also added the CM3044 Multi-Set Indoor Distribution Amplifier. I am 1/4 mile from the Greeville Tech Brashier Campus(as a bird flies). This forum rules!!
post #938 of 10293
Thread Starter 
I certainly hope all take note of CJWELLS experience with the CM 4228.
post #939 of 10293
I got a nice e-mail respnse back from WHNS stating they are considering all their options, including getting rid of the stretch mode.
post #940 of 10293
Could you post it?
post #941 of 10293
Anyone else noticing audio problem on WLOS-DT for MNF, as in, no audio at all? I've switched to many other channels and have sound, but none on 13-1? If anyone in the Asheville area could call the station, since for me it is long distance, that would be awesome.
post #942 of 10293
No audio here either.
post #943 of 10293
I have noticed a curious problem when watching WYFF-DT through the Hughes HR10-250 DirecTV DVR receiver, using the off-air mode.

The picture brightness seems to flicker, or "bounce" very slightly, at about 2 cycles-per-second. This is not very pronounced, and is most noticable on dark scenes, or during black moments.

Also, there is a repeating sequence of white dots, which appear in the lower third of the frame. They appear two-at-a-time, but jump from one line to another. They can be displayed statically, when playing back a recording, and stepping through frame-by-frame.

Neither of these effects is evident on any other channel. Also, I don't see either problem when watching through the tuner in the RCA TV, although both are fed from the same antenna.

Can anyone else with the Hughes HD DVR see these conditions? Maybe I should be asking DirecTV for a replacement...
post #944 of 10293
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Originally posted by dashaund
Could you post it?

Thank you for your feedback. As you can imagine the debate runs deep over the many ways that we can handle existing 4X3 material in the new 16X9 world. The matter is complicated by the fact that the receivers do not always handle the different formats the same way. Initially I had chosen what is known as a 13X9 crop mode that seemed to offer the best of both worlds. As time has gone by I have begun to notice an increase in complaints as some receivers are expanding the 13X9 to the full 16X9 picture format. This does result in a stretched picture that does not look as good. I am looking closely at the available settings and will be making changes as needed to provide the best pictures possible. Your vote does count and we are considering ditching the stretch.



Thank you for your interest in Fox Carolina,
post #945 of 10293
Thanks Apps1
post #946 of 10293
I noticed that WHNS-DT has gotten rid of the stretch mode. We all need to thank them via e-mail.
post #947 of 10293
Does anyone have any news on WASV? I'm now getting black bars on the sides instead of a 16:9 stretch that was there before. It is still 480i/p according to my tuner though(and by visual inspection obviously).
post #948 of 10293
Grrr. I did finally get a response from Charter about HDNet and HDNet Movies being transposed on my program guide:

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Thank you for contacting Charter Communications. We appreciate the opportunity to serve you.

I apologize for inconvenience. However, with you beta testing your DVR services is going to swap some of your channels. Until
we have fully launched DVR service, your channels will be switched.

If you have any additional questions or need assistance please contact your local customer support center at 1-800-955-7766.

Since my latest bill shows that I'm paying for this service now, is it really considered beta testing still?

Ha, and an equally incoherent followup from Charter:

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I have spoken with our Technical Department. They have informed us that with us not having DVR service fully launched in South
Carolina that some of your channels will be swapped due to we are not fully launched.
post #949 of 10293
Sounds like typical Charter stuff, Adam. It doesn't make sense that you're a "beta tester," but you're paying full price for your service, does it? When I first got my cable modem, I was told that some of my connection problems were due to me being far out and they didn't have their equipment fully ran out. Why offer a service when its only half-way working? Money! If you continue to be frustrated with them and feel like switching, I encourage you to join those of us in the D* ranks. We have HD Tivo if you want a DVR (I don't have one, so I can't speak from first hand experience). Plus, you CAN hook your off-air antenna to those and record, unlike the Moxi box!
post #950 of 10293
I'm thinking about it. I am still in the last few days of my free month of DVR service, but since Charter's been uninterested in resolving this problem over the past month, I don't see that changing in the next couple of days. I wish I had some way of directly contacting someone instead of having to go through all these layers of people who can't do anything about it.
post #951 of 10293
Adam, have you been called by Charter and surveyed about the Moxi unit? I was called about a week and a half ago, told the person of some issues, including the transposed channels, and she said she would look into it. 2 days later the problem was fixed. I failed to get her name, but the caller id number was 271-8526 (Charter Communications). Appears to be a generic Charter number but it may be worth a shot.

I also had a request to activate the serial port on a dct-2ooo for a TiVo about a year ago, and dealt directly with Lynn Gallman. She had an engineer call me and it was turned on within a couple of days. Within a week of that, the ports were activated for all upstate dct-2000's. She was VERY helpful.

googled: could find no direct # or e-mail address
Lynn Gallman
Support Services/Retention
Charter Communications

PS: If you speak to her directly, ask her to re-enable the 30-second skip they just took away. Thanks.
post #952 of 10293
Since late last week, I have been unable to pick up 13-1 and 13-2 and 40-1 stations. Normally, I get good signals for all. I have tried to rescan, but now my TV does not even recognize that there is stations there. Has anyone else had any problems? I live in Fountain Inn.
post #953 of 10293
You probably need to readjust your antenna. I had to inorder to pull in all of my stations at once. Its that time of the year when seasons change, so channel propagation does as well. After adjusting, WLOS comes in just fine. My hardest station to get reliably is WYFF. I'll have a strong signal and then it starts skipping...I hate that! The signal quality for me is pretty rough unless I have my antenna orientated correctly. Anyone else notice that, or is it just me? May be mulitpath, I'm not sure.
post #954 of 10293
So the seasonal change DOES have that big an effect on the signal and where it is coming from? I need a rotator!
post #955 of 10293
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Originally posted by AppState
PS: If you speak to her directly, ask her to re-enable the 30-second skip they just took away. Thanks.

Y'know, I wonder if some of these things are 'pushed' to the box, and if Charter deprovisioning the modem in my Moxi for a week is keeping me from seeing what everyone else is seeing. I haven't gotten a software update in close to a month and still have the 30 second skip on my box, and I seem to be the only one. Maybe my box is supposed to be getting the software update that makes the switch to the 15 minute skip as well as an updated channel map with HDNet/HDNet Movies listed correctly, but for whatever reason, I'm not getting them.
post #956 of 10293
OK I'm about to spring for my first HDTV, but before I do I have a few questions about Charter. I'm going to give them a try first as DirecTV isn't a viable option for me right now, until they get ALL the locals in our area.
As I understand it ESPN-HD & HDNet which is what I'm interested in are on Charter's HD package, so I'm happy.

I know they also have WYFF-DT on their HD package, but I've seen posts here about people getting WSPA-DT on 102.3 with Charter. What's the deal with this?

The TV I'm getting has a built in QAM tuner so should I be able to pick up WSPA-DT directly through the cable line or would you still need an antenna? I tried various antenna setups last year but never could get a usable OTA signal with a STB, which is what made me wait until now to move on to HD...

Any information would be appreciated... I understand Charter's package, I just don't understand how you get the WSPA when they're supposedly not offering it.
post #957 of 10293
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Originally posted by cpalmer2k
The TV I'm getting has a built in QAM tuner so should I be able to pick up WSPA-DT directly through the cable line or would you still need an antenna?

At least the last time I tried, I could still pick up WSPA via my QAM tuner at 102.3. If Charter keeps doing this, you would not need an antenna, although if you are renting their HD box, you'd either need a splitter or you'd need to plug/unplug the coax everytime you wanted to watch it.
post #958 of 10293
Here's my theory on that one... perhaps the cable system is just acting as an "antenna" and its' strong enough to pick it up? I know it might not make total sense but when cable is out I find I can still pick up WSPA's SD feed on Channel 7 without any antenna. Surely they're not feeding it without authorization... but maybe we can just pick it up because of how all the technology interacts, the signal strength, etc.


Also to my second question... I basically leave my TV on all the time, 24/7. The television I'm looking at is a tube television, not one of the LCD/Projection, Plasma etc so would it be OK to leave it on all the time like I do the tv I'm using now or would that seriously reduce the life of the set more than a standard one?

The set I'm looking at is http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....6&type=product
post #959 of 10293
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Originally posted by cpalmer2k
OK I'm about to spring for my first HDTV, but before I do I have a few questions about Charter. I'm going to give them a try first as DirecTV isn't a viable option for me right now, until they get ALL the locals in our area.

What area are you in? Since you're posting in the Upstate SC, Western NC forum I kind of assume you're in this area, and if so DirecTV does provide all of the local stations. But if you're going HD then it shouldn't matter since the best way to get locals is OTA, and you can get a lot of help here on what kind of setup you'll need along with your DirecTV HD receiver to pull in all the locals in HD.
post #960 of 10293
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Originally posted by gjlowe
So the seasonal change DOES have that big an effect on the signal and where it is coming from? I need a rotator!

So far I haven't had to make any adjustments. WLOS is coming in at 88, and WYFF and WHNS are at 92. These would be the only three I'd have trouble with.
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