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post #2281 of 5418
11/11/06 at 10:41am
Any news on when Oceanic will begin to broadcast Fox in HD?
I was hoping to see the NFL games in HD last week.
I had higher hopes for this week but nothing's happening.
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post #2282 of 5418
11/11/06 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by Satellite Guy HI View Post

HD
AGAIN, Its seems from this press relese from almost a year ago, that I am not the only one clueless. Now it does make sense in a technical and economical sense what CharlesO is saying about the headers being in MPEG4. But there is nothing out there in print that states this, so again prove with a link or some other source that you are posting responsibly and not full of crap, and prove that Starz HD is the only MPEG4 broadcast out there. Heres the press release from Feb 2006. Or I guess I could just take your word for it....dont think so


'On Feb. 1, DISH Network will begin transmitting newly added HD channels in MPEG4, a signal compression standard developed by MPEG (Moving Picture Experts Group). MPEG4 allows DISH Network to maximize the bandwidth available on its satellites and offer the most robust lineup of HD channels in the nation.

New DishHD channels available only in MPEG4 include:

VOOM Networks
ESPN2 HD ------------------
Universal HD Family Room HD
HD Locals Gameplay HD
Treasure HD
World Cinema HD
WorldSport HD


Heres another quote from Charlie from about 1.8 years ago which is in play presently.
Ergen stated the process will be handled in phases, with DISH Network HDTV customers expected to be first in line for equipment upgrades. During the transition period, DISH Network programming will be transmitted in both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 formats.

It's really ashame that you are a retailer selling something under false pretense.

I would advise you for check with your attorney I see you promising stuff that is false and the subject of future lawsuits.

Do your own homework of what is really happening - I've already told you where to find it....TRY DOING A SIMPLE SEARCH.

Even Enron told their customers the lies. To bad some did not check out their BS.

On the other hand, if you want to hire me instead of an attorney to give you the facts, put a check in the mail.
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post #2283 of 5418
11/12/06 at 1:14am
Saturday Night Live is practically unwatchable for me on 938; I had to switch back to the SD version because of the constant video (bearable) and audio (unbearable) glitches. I notice this on the other KHNL shows I watch too, but tonight on SNL it seems worse. Is everyone seeing this or is just me?
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post #2284 of 5418
11/12/06 at 12:20pm
KHON-DT has showed up on TitanTV as channel 933, but have yet to see it on the TV.
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post #2285 of 5418
11/12/06 at 5:50pm
I watched SNL yesterday on 938 and noticed no glitches, sorry.
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post #2286 of 5418
11/12/06 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by delar View Post

KHON-DT has showed up on TitanTV as channel 933, but have yet to see it on the TV.

Yes, I see it. That's useful for me because I like to see what I'm missing. I see 93 there, too, which I guess is the CW. No programming listed, though.

I wish Oceanic's IPG would say which shows on 936 and 938 are HD. It must be feasible, since TitanTV displays this information. But I don't see anything on this evening (Sunday) on 933 in HD.
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post #2287 of 5418
11/13/06 at 1:59am
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

Yes, I see it. That's useful for me because I like to see what I'm missing. I see 93 there, too, which I guess is the CW. No programming listed, though.

I wish Oceanic's IPG would say which shows on 936 and 938 are HD. It must be feasible, since TitanTV displays this information. But I don't see anything on this evening (Sunday) on 933 in HD.


My 8300HD now shows which programs are in HD on the program guide. It has shiny new firmware directly downloaded from Scientific Atlanta a few days ago (big mistake). There are new features, too...like being able to watch a recording program from the beginning while it's still recording.

But, it's grim as well. HDMI's HDCP handshaking is getting MORE stringent and it's now rejecting my SIM2 projector. The SA engineer told me they are using longer encryption keys now.

Oh, well.


Eric
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post #2288 of 5418
11/13/06 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Hiloboy View Post

Saturday Night Live is practically unwatchable for me on 938; I had to switch back to the SD version because of the constant video (bearable) and audio (unbearable) glitches. I notice this on the other KHNL shows I watch too, but tonight on SNL it seems worse. Is everyone seeing this or is just me?

I get this often from both live and recorded on my 8300HD using HDMI. If I switch to an SD program and then back it often goes away. Sometimes I have to do it twice. Sometimes I have to cycle the display device. Never happened when I used component connections. Not certain if this is the same as you have since on mine the picture gets unwatchable as well as the audio.
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post #2289 of 5418
11/13/06 at 11:51am
I saw 933 KHON on TitanTV too... Yay! Good!
I didn't see 938 KHNL on TitanTV.... Uh-Oh!!!

I hope Oceanic isn't going to do anything stupid!
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post #2290 of 5418
11/13/06 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by Sy- View Post

I saw 933 KHON on TitanTV too... Yay! Good!
I didn't see 938 KHNL on TitanTV.... Uh-Oh!!!

I hope Oceanic isn't going to do anything stupid!

Oh no! This isn't good. Reminds of when we were getting KGMB-HD on Oceanic for a while and then they suddenly yanked it off their lineup, never to be seen again. It was great back then too, since it was the mainland feed we could watch prime time shows in the late afternoon.
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post #2291 of 5418
11/13/06 at 2:18pm
I don't think I've ever seen 938 on Titan TV.

I am wondering when we will get FOX on HD. It's been almost two weeks since the announcement was made.
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post #2292 of 5418
11/13/06 at 2:25pm
It remains to be seen whether or not Oceanic playing hardball with KHON works! Here's hoping...

Eric
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post #2293 of 5418
11/13/06 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by hebsan View Post

I don't think I've ever seen 938 on Titan TV.

TitanTV lets you add channels to your schedule. I have 938 because I added it.
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post #2294 of 5418
11/13/06 at 8:01pm
Live broadcasts from space this week, Wednesday, should be visually stunning and historic, NASA said from Houston, because they'll be broadcast in high definition.

The two live high definition television broadcasts will feature Expedition 14 Commander Michael Lopez-Alegria on the International Space Station, NASA said in a news release. The broadcasts, scheduled for Nov. 15, will be carried by Discovery HD Theater and the Japanese broadcast network NHK.

The broadcasts are a joint effort by NASA, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, Discovery HD Theater and NHK, the space agency said.

NASA officials in Houston said they've flown HDTV cameras on previous missions but had to wait until the mission was over to retrieve and view the tapes, then share them with scientists, engineers, the media and the public.

"For the first time ever, this test lets us stream live HDTV from space so the public can experience what its like to be there," Rodney Grubbs, NASA principal investigator, said.
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post #2295 of 5418
11/14/06 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by rossi46 View Post

I watched SNL yesterday on 938 and noticed no glitches, sorry.


I had no problems that night either.
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post #2296 of 5418
11/14/06 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by hebsan View Post

I am wondering when we will get FOX on HD. It's been almost two weeks since the announcement was made.

Definitely waiting in anticipation here, too. Sooo want to watch Fox NFL action in HD.

I asked the Oceanic rep at the SONY expo last weekend about it, he was clueless, of course.
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post #2297 of 5418
11/14/06 at 7:28pm
I spoke to station manager Joe McNamara and he thought things looked good. He was 80% positive that they were very close to completion. He said if no one else put their finger into the deal. By the way he has been very accessible answering his own phone most often.

Aloha ... brad
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post #2298 of 5418
11/15/06 at 11:13am
Regarding the KHON-HD feud:
I wonder if it is what Erika Engle said in her article about HD: KHON wants to be compensated for broadcasting in HD and TWC doesn't want to have to pay for it. It's been 2-3 weeks since the announcement and still no CW, no KHON-DT, and no KHON-HD. Both companies are greedy and in the end the consumer always loses.
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post #2299 of 5418
11/15/06 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by JimNastic View Post

Regarding the KHON-HD feud:
I wonder if it is what Erika Engle said in her article about HD: KHON wants to be compensated for broadcasting in HD and TWC doesn't want to have to pay for it. It's been 2-3 weeks since the announcement and still no CW, no KHON-DT, and no KHON-HD. Both companies are greedy and in the end the consumer always loses.


That's what it's been all along, with both KHON-DT and KGMB-DT. They want money. For one, it's not Oceanic that's the greedy one. After all, they'll just have to charge us more if they have to pay them for the signal. KITV was one of the first HD broadcasters in the country (1997). Oceanic never had to pay them for the HD signal. Those greedy broadcasters are shooting themselves in the foot. If nobody sees an HD signal, why bother? The people watching those signals literally number IN THE HUNDREDS at best.

Eric
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post #2300 of 5418
11/15/06 at 12:54pm
A couple of years ago KITV almost was pulled off Oceanic in a retransmission dispute with Oceanic's parent Time-Warner. KITV is owned by Hearst-Argyle, who also control the Lifetime networks, part of KITV's retrans agreement with Oceanic is to carry Lifetime in Basic. Hearst-Argyle wanted to Oceanic to carry Lifetime Movie Network as part of the agreement and threatened Oceanic with pulling KITV from it's service if they didn't agree to carry LMN.
KGMB doesn't have that kind of power, so they have to resort to straight cash compensation and until KHON acquired the CW programming, went the same route.
So in a way, Oceanic is paying via Lifetime and LMN for KITV.
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post #2301 of 5418
11/15/06 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Charles O View Post

A couple of years ago KITV almost was pulled off Oceanic in a retransmission dispute with Oceanic's parent Time-Warner. KITV is owned by Hearst-Argyle, who also control the Lifetime networks, part of KITV's retrans agreement with Oceanic is to carry Lifetime in Basic. Hearst-Argyle wanted to Oceanic to carry Lifetime Movie Network as part of the agreement and threatened Oceanic with pulling KITV from it's service if they didn't agree to carry LMN.
KGMB doesn't have that kind of power, so they have to resort to straight cash compensation and until KHON acquired the CW programming, went the same route.
So in a way, Oceanic is paying via Lifetime and LMN for KITV.


There are plenty of those trade sort of deals at the national level in this industry...but that KITV situation if it had happened (I doubt if it would) was for ALL KITV signals. This is just for the digital ones. And frankly, we all know that none of that Lifetime subscriber money would filter down to the local stations group at Heart-Argyle. They are not charging for the analog signals here, yes?

Eric
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post #2302 of 5418
11/15/06 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by JimNastic View Post

Regarding the KHON-HD feud:
I wonder if it is what Erika Engle said in her article about HD: KHON wants to be compensated for broadcasting in HD and TWC doesn't want to have to pay for it. It's been 2-3 weeks since the announcement and still no CW, no KHON-DT, and no KHON-HD. Both companies are greedy and in the end the consumer always loses.

As I said 2 weeks ago:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8784690
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post #2303 of 5418
11/15/06 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by HDTVFanAtic View Post

First, don't count your Channel before its signed on the dotted line. Remember ESPN2HD and CinemaxHD were "really close" as well.

As for the other number in the article...Wow....this number is really LOW:

"The number of high-definition subscribers in Hawai'i is small but growing. About 25,000, or roughly 6 percent, of Oceanic Cable's 400,000 Hawai'i customers get HDTV services, the company said."

Most cable systems will end the year with 16+% of their customers subbing to atleast 1 HD Service in their house.

That PERCENTAGE is even lower than D* or E* - so that is really L O W.


Yes, but Oceanic has the highest market penetration of any major cable system in the country.

Eric
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post #2304 of 5418
11/15/06 at 10:15pm
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Hawaiian Telcom also said yesterday that it won't start offering an Internet-based television service until the second half of next year. The company earlier had discussed offering the service by the end of December.

The company said the rollout is being delayed, in part to make sure it lines up the right features and functionality as technology evolves.
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post #2305 of 5418
11/16/06 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by egcarter View Post

Yes, but Oceanic has the highest market penetration of any major cable system in the country.

Eric


It appears a number of 400,000 customers are commercial - which makes sense in Hawaii - as the basic subs are just over 259,000 and there are 419,000 Television Households in the state which is 61% penetration which is matched by many other systems.

http://www.ncta.com/ContentView.aspx?contentId=72

Thus the low number of people with HD from Oceanic is very low.

Most cable systems are running much higher with HD than that now - most are in double digits and some are upwards of 16%.
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post #2306 of 5418
11/16/06 at 8:22pm
Hawaii has highest cable penetration in U.S. blurb


-Eric
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post #2307 of 5418
11/16/06 at 9:14pm
Let me recap what we have on Oceanic TWC (not talking about OTA):

KHON (FOX-CW) has not digital channel (yet) and no HD channel (yet).
KITV (ABC) had no digital channel but has an HD channel.
KGMB (CBS) has a digital channel but no HD channel.
KHNL (NBC) has both a digital and HD channel.

How come KHON doesn't have a digital channel? Or KITV?
KGMB wants to be paid to give an HD feed but doesn't mind the digital channel?
Why do we have those digital channels anyway?
Will PBS get an HD channel too?
Who is the one holding everything back: local Oceanic people or mainland TWC people?
Why the need for Oceanic to duplicate channels on 780 to 793?
IIRC, Oceanic never wanted to get the Weather channel in Hawaii because it is only about mainland weather. Why then giving us NBC Weather Plus?

I can continue complaining but since there's only one cable provider here, my voice will not be heard.
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post #2308 of 5418
11/16/06 at 11:42pm
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Hawaii has highest cable penetration in U.S. blurb


-Eric


As shown many times in this thread, don't take the local papers as gospel when it comes to HDTV or cable.

Cablevision, for example, has over 70% penetration in its home base in NY. Others have systems in the high 60s as well.

Oceanic is certainly not the highest penetration with 61% as the NATIONAL AVERAGE is 66.3% according to Nielsen - so Oceanic IS BELOW MARKET AVERAGE for penetration.

http://i.ncta.com/ncta_com/PDFs/NCTA...t4-06FINAL.pdf
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post #2309 of 5418
11/17/06 at 2:10am
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Originally Posted by HDTVFanAtic View Post

As shown many times in this thread, don't take the local papers as gospel when it comes to HDTV or cable.

Cablevision, for example, has over 70% penetration in its home base in NY. Others have systems in the high 60s as well.

Oceanic is certainly not the highest penetration with 61% as the NATIONAL AVERAGE is 66.3% according to Nielsen - so Oceanic IS BELOW MARKET AVERAGE for penetration.

http://i.ncta.com/ncta_com/PDFs/NCTA...t4-06FINAL.pdf


In that same NCTA website sites, Kagan says national cable penetration is 58.9% as of Sept. 2006...sounds like there's a lot of "wiggle room" in the numbers.

Eric
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11/17/06 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by egcarter View Post

There are plenty of those trade sort of deals at the national level in this industry...but that KITV situation if it had happened (I doubt if it would) was for ALL KITV signals. This is just for the digital ones. And frankly, we all know that none of that Lifetime subscriber money would filter down to the local stations group at Heart-Argyle. They are not charging for the analog signals here, yes?

Eric


KITV is on a barter trade deal with Oceanic, but part of that agreement is also carriage, placement and compensation for the Lifetime channels. Basically, Heast-Argyle uses it's local stations as the carrot to get what it wants for it's cable channels, they don't care as much about being compensated for either the analog or digital stations.
KGMB(and former KHON) owner Emmis does care. KHON wasn't on Dish for almost 2 years over compensation and Emmis expects compensation for digital as well.
I'm not sticking up for KGMB or KHON, but they are running both analog and digital stations and only have one revenue stream from them.
KHON got smart and added the CW to it's digital channel, they can sell advertising and info blocks and make money on the digital channel. The rub is to get placement on Oceanic. It wouldn't suprise me that the hang-up on FOX-HD and CW on Oceanic is that KHON wants CW available on analog.
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