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post #4021 of 5417
12/25/07 at 1:02pm
For years KITV's QAM channel number was 114.1, but that may have changed since Oceanic added KITV's Weather Now channel.
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post #4022 of 5417
12/26/07 at 11:36am
heh, i just noticed the extra filters in the advanced search settings and thought it wouldnt be that hard to find the post in this extremely long thread. here it is from RustyC who did a nice job compiling the list of findings. unfortunately this was last updated almost a year ago. so you may find a lot of the channels encrypted. i dont think they can encrypt the local stations though. so no matter what you should be able to get those.

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Originally Posted by RustyC View Post

I've been trying to find a complete listing of Oceanic's QAM stations but haven't found one. This is what I have from auto-scan. Anyone else have anything different?

77.1 SportsChoice
77.3 NewsChoice
79.4 Discovery Health
79.6 Discovery Spanish
79.7 Fit TV
81.8 DIY
81.26 Music Choice
83.1 BET <----no longer unencrypted
83.3 KHNL-HD (NBC)
85.3 KHON-HD (Fox)
85.4 CW <----no longer unencrypted
102.8 HMSA
102.9 Pentagon
102.10 Inspiration
103.11 Fox Sports Spanish
104.3 America's Store
104.5 GSNw
104.9 QVC
104.10 PPV Preview
104.11 HSN
106.1 KHNL-DT (NBC)
106.2 KFVE
106.3 KIKU
106.4 KGMB-DT (CBS)
106.5 KBFD
106.7 Jewelry TV
106.8 KBS
108.2 C-Span 2
108.5 C-Span 3
114.2 KITV-HD (ABC)

updated 1/30/2007
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post #4023 of 5417
12/26/07 at 1:26pm
is it just me or do some of the HD channels that oceanic offers seem heavily compressed. I mean ESPN and ESPN2 HD are very high quality, but when i watch like MHD and HDNET seem to have a little more jagged edges and that blocking that come swith digital??? you think they will be improving it in the future by providing more bandwidth for HD?
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post #4024 of 5417
12/26/07 at 1:33pm
It should be interesting to see how many more local HDTV - computer forum members we get from Hawaii after all the HDTV sales this season and with Oceanic getting through their "waiting list" for the HD boxes. There was an Advertiser article last week that said they got in a shipment of 6,000 Sci Atl HD-DVR boxes.
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post #4025 of 5417
12/26/07 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by Kaiahua View Post

is it just me or do some of the HD channels that oceanic offers seem heavily compressed.

It definitely 'aint just you...
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post #4026 of 5417
12/27/07 at 2:31am
howzit redsandvb... i like your sig.... which one did you choose, or you still ont he fence. i was thinking the blu-ray but thinking about just waiting. couple prediction sites i went to have said by mid 2008 its gonna be runaway for one or the other probably bluray and by Q4 2008 there will only be one......but as we all know its wishful thinking

also its good to know that i ain't the only one with compressed HD. i'm up in the nuuanu area. i hope that they increase the quality cuz D*TV sadly only has programin on east coast timing for a lot of programs and channels so woudl have to use the DVR heavily to have something to watch after 10pm... so oceanic kinda has the best to offer to me right now.
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post #4027 of 5417
12/27/07 at 5:01pm
I got an HD DVD because they are only a couple hundred dollars and you can rent the movies from Netflix... I would get a Blue-ray if they lower their prices to the same level. I am getting a great picture, plenty of movies to rent and it does a very good job up-converting normal DVDs too! I figured why wait... especially when you can rent. It's going to take years, if ever, for this to be decided.
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post #4028 of 5417
12/27/07 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by Kaiahua View Post

howzit redsandvb... i like your sig.... which one did you choose, or you still ont he fence. i was thinking the blu-ray but thinking about just waiting. couple prediction sites i went to have said by mid 2008 its gonna be runaway for one or the other probably bluray and by Q4 2008 there will only be one......but as we all know its wishful thinking

also its good to know that i ain't the only one with compressed HD. i'm up in the nuuanu area. i hope that they increase the quality cuz D*TV sadly only has programin on east coast timing for a lot of programs and channels so woudl have to use the DVR heavily to have something to watch after 10pm... so oceanic kinda has the best to offer to me right now.

Still on the fence. Don't want to spend money on 2 players. 'Till Paramount and Dreamworks went HD exclusive, thought there was a chance the war would end sooner rather than later...Maybe if Warner dumps HD...who knows. If the Samsung BD-UP5000 were a couple hundred bucks cheaper and worked like it's supposed to I'd think about getting it.

I think Oceanic's HD is the way it is because of this:
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To those of you that have talked about the PQ of the three new HD channels that are on in a free view tell the end of the month, I can tell you why you see a difference between them and INHD and INHD2. OTWC like other MSO's has a bandwidth problem (we don't have room to add more channels) yet we have to add more new channels (per TWC). To do this we are starting to use a "statmux" ( statistical multiplexer). The "statmux" allows use to put three HD channels on one 6MHz "channel" instead of 2. The down side as some of you can see is a minor loss of PQ on these channels. But I ask you which would you rather have two new HD channels that look great or three new HD channels that almost look great?

That's from post #287 in this thread, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...26#post3578726

More info on that in post #1164, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...58#post6646958

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post #4029 of 5417
12/27/07 at 8:51pm
that is one pretty BS reponse if you ask me. i, prolly like everyone here, want it all i want a lot of HD channels and them to all be GREAT quality....i hope when hawaiian tel com launches there TV service they don't have this problem....whenever that should happen. and too bad directtv and dish network dont have really any programing for us after like 10PM so we kinda just stuck with that STATMUX junk....but at least it looks "ALMOST GREAT" hahaha
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post #4030 of 5417
12/27/07 at 9:07pm
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is it just me or do some of the HD channels that oceanic offers seem heavily compressed. I mean ESPN and ESPN2 HD are very high quality, but when i watch like MHD and HDNET seem to have a little more jagged edges and that blocking that come swith digital???

I've noticed that the primetime stuff on KITV (Dirty Sexy Money, Ugly Betty, Pushing Daisy, etc.) has looked awful lately, tons of artifacts, whereas it used have some impressive pictures before.
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post #4031 of 5417
12/28/07 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by Lindakoy View Post

I've noticed that the primetime stuff on KITV (Dirty Sexy Money, Ugly Betty, Pushing Daisy, etc.) has looked awful lately, tons of artifacts, whereas it used have some impressive pictures before.

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Hello,

Was this on cable, dish, or air?
Can you describe what you saw with a little more detail? Was the picture like low resolution internet video? or perhaps just glitchy and intermittent? Did the programs start ok and suddenly go bad? Would the artifacts happen on fast motion scenes or on everything? I know some people at KITV who would be very interested to hear about what you saw.
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post #4032 of 5417
12/28/07 at 4:09pm
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But I ask you which would you rather have two new HD channels that look great or three new HD channels that almost look great?

That's a no-brainer. Two 1080i channels that look great. Pixelated HD is worse than good SD (except for being widescreen) and almost as frustrating as snowy SD.

One exception: if they put three 720p stations like ESPN, ESPN2, NatGeo on one 6 Mhz channel, I'm pretty sure they'd look just great.
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post #4033 of 5417
12/28/07 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by Kaiahua View Post

i hope when hawaiian tel com launches there TV service they don't have this problem

I'm sure there will be enough problems to satisfy any HD masochist.
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post #4034 of 5417
12/29/07 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Kaiahua View Post

is it just me or do some of the HD channels that oceanic offers seem heavily compressed. I mean ESPN and ESPN2 HD are very high quality, but when i watch like MHD and HDNET seem to have a little more jagged edges and that blocking that come swith digital??? you think they will be improving it in the future by providing more bandwidth for HD?

MHD is a SDV channel. I think it is like that either because the signal is just like that or because a lot of people are tuned into SDV in your area, that it compresses the signal more if more people are tuned into SDV.
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post #4035 of 5417
12/29/07 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by Kaiahua View Post

is it just me or do some of the HD channels that oceanic offers seem heavily compressed. I mean ESPN and ESPN2 HD are very high quality, but when i watch like MHD and HDNET seem to have a little more jagged edges and that blocking that come swith digital??? you think they will be improving it in the future by providing more bandwidth for HD?

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Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post

Still on the fence. Don't want to spend money on 2 players. 'Till Paramount and Dreamworks went HD exclusive, thought there was a chance the war would end sooner rather than later...Maybe if Warner dumps HD...who knows. If the Samsung BD-UP5000 were a couple hundred bucks cheaper and worked like it's supposed to I'd think about getting it.

I think Oceanic's HD is the way it is because of this:
That's from post #287 in this thread, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...26#post3578726

More info on that in post #1164, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...58#post6646958


I don't think OTW is shoving 3 HD's on to one QAM. That thread you pointed to was over 3 years ago. I checked the diagnostic screens and I could only find 2 HD's on to one QAM channel.

BTW, PQ didn't look so great one year ago. I remebered that ESPN HD didn't look that great and also HDNET looked pretty bad. At least HDNET looks way better than before.
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post #4036 of 5417
12/29/07 at 5:49pm
Found KITV HD - It's now 114.2 on QAM.
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post #4037 of 5417
12/29/07 at 7:23pm
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Hello,

Was this on cable, dish, or air?
Can you describe what you saw with a little more detail? Was the picture like low resolution internet video? or perhaps just glitchy and intermittent? Did the programs start ok and suddenly go bad? Would the artifacts happen on fast motion scenes or on everything? I know some people at KITV who would be very interested to hear about what you saw.

I have Oceanic Cable. The picture just seems to have intermittant glitchyness, and it is throughout the entire program, regardless of the amount of motion in the scene. Nowhere near as bad as internet or even SD resolution, but there are artifacts that never seemed to be there before. I just had some friends over today and was showing them my HDTV setup. I played a bit of Ugly Betty I had on my 8300HD and they asked me, "What's the matter with the picture?" It's not just the fact that it was recorded on the 8300, because I've seen it live too. Maybe it's just me since no one else seems to be chiming in with agreement?
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post #4038 of 5417
12/30/07 at 1:08am
i know waht your talking about. i usually does it to me like on the upper middle of the picture and while its doing that i'll lose sound for a brief moment thne it will sync back up and be all good. i think its the cable box but not sure.

i also have the problem that other ppl mentioned of, when you record analog programing (SD) to the DVR its very blocky when you play it back, i think because it converts it to a digital signal and compresses the heck out of it hahaha
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post #4039 of 5417
1/1/08 at 10:00pm
Here on Kona side of the Big Island, channels 10 (PBS), 12 (KITV), 16 (OC16), and 21 (ESPN2) are down. Channel 3 is showing a downconversion of the HD feed of Hawaii vs Georgia in letterbox (grey bars). At one point I saw the HD box graphic on the bottom right of the screen saying "1080i standard", "1080i zoom". Apparently channel 3 is coming out of a regular Sci-Atlanta HD cable box and they haven't figured out how to crop the picture to 4:3.

Hint: change the HD box to SD-only mode.
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post #4040 of 5417
1/2/08 at 1:05am
Did anyone else lose the Sugar Bowl over QAM coax cable access of the FOX HD channel? About 20 minutes into the game, the channel went dark and I was forced to go back to the regular analog channel.
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post #4041 of 5417
1/2/08 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by L-M View Post

Did anyone else lose the Sugar Bowl over QAM coax cable access of the FOX HD channel? About 20 minutes into the game, the channel went dark and I was forced to go back to the regular analog channel.

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http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...801020397/1001

Apparently it was more than just QAM. See the article in the advertiser.
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post #4042 of 5417
1/2/08 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Lindakoy View Post

The picture just seems to have intermittant glitchyness, and it is throughout the entire program, regardless of the amount of motion in the scene.


You may want to have Oceanic test the signal strength to the box. I used to have similar problems until they swapped out all the older coax "T" adapters that were originally installed with the house with the newer ones.
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post #4043 of 5417
1/2/08 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by L-M View Post

Did anyone else lose the Sugar Bowl over QAM coax cable access of the FOX HD channel? About 20 minutes into the game, the channel went dark and I was forced to go back to the regular analog channel.


Worked fine for me; I taped the whole game to DVHS via the QAM channel since the firewire on the box isn't really working. Wanted to save this in all it's HD glory, but don't think I'll be watching it again. In fact may just record over it.
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post #4044 of 5417
1/2/08 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by hdaniel1 View Post

MHD is a SDV channel. I think it is like that either because the signal is just like that or because a lot of people are tuned into SDV in your area, that it compresses the signal more if more people are tuned into SDV.

Are you sure that SDV acts this way? My understanding of SDV is that if anyone in your area tunes to a SDV channel, everyone on that node will receive the channel, whether or not they tune to it. I've never heard about increased compression based on the number of households tuned to the station. But then I'm no expert on SDV (except that it makes my TIVO S3 cablecards useless).
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post #4045 of 5417
1/2/08 at 6:26pm
Fiesta Bowl only in SD?

Edit: FWIW, it's also in SD OTA.
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post #4046 of 5417
1/2/08 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by essbee View Post

Fiesta Bowl only in SD?

Edit: FWIW, it's also in SD OTA.

Same with DirecTV.

How is this possible?
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post #4047 of 5417
1/2/08 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by GiantsFan24 View Post

Are you sure that SDV acts this way? My understanding of SDV is that if anyone in your area tunes to a SDV channel, everyone on that node will receive the channel, whether or not they tune to it. I've never heard about increased compression based on the number of households tuned to the station. But then I'm no expert on SDV (except that it makes my TIVO S3 cablecards useless).

My understanding is all channels are sent to the node and the switched channels sit there until someone on that node tunes that channel. I don't believe any compression is done at the node itself, but I too am no expert.
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post #4048 of 5417
1/3/08 at 12:35am
Here's an informative article that explains how SDV works.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463724.html
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post #4049 of 5417
1/3/08 at 3:54pm
sat guy
any truth to the fact we will soon be able to get dishnetwork running on 1 dish at my house this includes hd channels and top 200 package
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post #4050 of 5417
1/3/08 at 9:25pm
i just got an e-mail from Oceanic Cable Help Desk representative LONNIE SHUPP. she answered a lot of my questions that i had. here it is;
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Yes, we too will be going from SARA to a system involving Mystro. While
I don't have the exact date, it is scheduled for this year.

In 2009 all broadcasters must broadcast in digital and TVs that are not
on cable will no longer be able to pick up broadcast signals off air
without purchase of a digital to analog converter. Cable customers will
not be affected as Oceanic will continue to convert digital signals to
analog for analog customers.

Presently all channels on our analog lineup (many of which have been
down-converted from a digital signal) are simply opened up on the
digital lineup. In 2008 we will begin simulcasting all channels in
digital so digital customers will see a clearer signal on channels such
as Discovery.

We digitize broadcasters' signals for several reasons - clearer picture
and, because we place the digital channels on a different frequency, we
eliminate interference that some cable customers experience from signal
ingress (loose connectors, etc) when the broadcast tower is near their
residence.

All HD signals are passed straight through from the network to our
customers. The difference you will see in signal quality among HD
networks will be the amount of true HD programming (shot with HD
cameras), the amount of up-converted programming and the source from
which programs are up-converted as well as the up-conversion methods
used. For example, an old film shot in movie (13mm) format, would
up-convert better than something shot in digital and there are methods
of up-conversion that stretch only the sides of the pictures vs. the
entire picture. All HD broadcasts will improve with time as the
majority of new shows shot will be done with HD equipment.

And no, you will not have to purchase a digital to analog box for any TV
set that is on cable!

Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if I missed anything or if you
have further questions.

Happy 2008!

Lonnie


if this is the case....we too will have 100% digital programing and we will have a lot more options to receive HD channels with the SDV implementation. maybe another reason to stick it out with Oceanic for a little while longer.
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