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post #5341 of 5427
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Originally Posted by vartok View Post

Hawaiian Telcom has been printing a new billing summary form for the past couple of weeks and just looked at the most recent.

On the top of the summary is a new marketing phrase "Always on" and in the section about moving/equipment return is the following:

"Charges for unreturned equipment are $200 per Set Top Box, $200 per Residential Gateway, $49.95 per Wired Modem, $129 per Wireless Modem and $50 per Remote Control."

They have been planning their IPTV service for a couple of years now and it looks like they are close to finally giving Oceanic some competition.

I am currently trying out Hawaiian Tel's digital TV service. The deal is, I get DSL and TV service in exchange for filling out a weekly or monthly survey. I currently have my directv account suspended while I give this a test drive. From what I understand, the service is the same as ATT's digital TV service on the mainland.

What I like about it so far:

No lag when changing channels. With directv, I sometimes had to wait 5+ seconds between the time I press the channel # to when the channel actually changes. The way the guy explained it to me, it's IPTV so everythings fast.

Box set is small and doesn't get that hot.

Can use phone line or existing coax to setup. (not fiber)

Sharing the DVR with the other tuners is so convenient. Being able to watch or record from any TV is something I'll have to setup if I go back to Directv.

Don't have to worry about the weather for reception.

What I don't like so far:

Out of all your set boxes, you can only watch/record 2 SD and 2 HD channles. This means, if you're watching something in HD, and also recording another channel in HD, you can't watch HD on the other set boxes. It'll give you a message to interrupt another tv or cancel a recording.

Scheduling series recordings has glitches. For some reason, all my scheduled series recordings stopped on 3/23. Don't know why. Had to setup all over again. Who knows how long before I find out it stopped again.

HD quality is not as good as Directv. Compression artifact (i believe) is more visible and picture breakup and freezing happens occasionally (no issues with directv).

Sound. Whether it's from the tv speakers or thru optical. It just doesn't seem full and crisp. Could just be perception.

It takes 22 clicks on the remote to stumble through the menu and turn on CC. With directv, 3.

I haven't really tried the DSL yet since I still have my RR. I did try testing the download speed wired and it's almost the same as what I get with RR (8-10Mbps). I'm not sure what service they're letting me try though. Probably their most expensive package. The modem is also a 4 port (actually 3 since the dvr uses a port) wireless router (G not N).



The main reason I got Directv was because of the NFL Ticket. With the lockout pending, I could go a few years without it. Besides, Hawaiian Tel does carry the NFLC and I'm hoping they'll carry the Redzone channel too (att carries it).
post #5342 of 5427
Only 22 clicks to turn on CCing eh?
What is going through these guys heads that design this stuff...not to mention the execs who buy it? Oh, never mind.
Thanks very much for the report, btw.

I'd be interested in the DSL and ATM Statistics as well as the speed reported from the modem. On my old Westell 6100, I was able to download/install a Diagnostic program, but I'm sure you have the latest and greatest, so possibly you can browse to its IP address.(?)
post #5343 of 5427
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Originally Posted by Endrsgm View Post

Rechecked and this seems to be the current QAM lineup:

46-1 ION HD (720p)
46-3 FOX HD (720p)
116-1 CBS HD (1080i)
116-2 ABC HD (720p)
118-1 KFVE HD (1080i)
118-3 NBC HD (1080i)
118-12 PBS HD (1080i)

Thank you very much for the update!

Has anyone found digital KBFD yet? It's quality was never much better than analog anyway, but it would be nice to have options.
post #5344 of 5427
how does direct tv compare to Oceanic. It looks like the new Navigator software will not support an external HD, that might be enough for me to switch. Is DT affected that much by the weather? I live in Kaneohe and we get some pretty hard rains
post #5345 of 5427
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Originally Posted by zalmanavs View Post

Thank you very much for the update!

Has anyone found digital KBFD yet? It's quality was never much better than analog anyway, but it would be nice to have options.

I just did a check, everything worked for me except for ABC/KITV-HD, anyone sniff it out?
post #5346 of 5427
Here's the channel lineup for HT's digital TV service if anyone's interested:

I've been pretty happy with it so far. Not as much HD channels as DTV but for what I normally watch, I haven't felt like I'm missing much.
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post #5347 of 5427
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Originally Posted by tvhawaii View Post

Only 22 clicks to turn on CCing eh?
What is going through these guys heads that design this stuff...not to mention the execs who buy it? Oh, never mind.
Thanks very much for the report, btw.

I'd be interested in the DSL and ATM Statistics as well as the speed reported from the modem. On my old Westell 6100, I was able to download/install a Diagnostic program, but I'm sure you have the latest and greatest, so possibly you can browse to its IP address.(?)


I'm not familiar with what you're looking for. If you tell me what and how, I can get the numbers for you. Never had DSL before.

It's a 2WIRE Router model # 3801 HGV.
post #5348 of 5427
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Originally Posted by 808vikingsfan View Post

Here's the channel lineup for HT's digital TV service if anyone's interested:

I've been pretty happy with it so far. Not as much HD channels as DTV but for what I normally watch, I haven't felt like I'm missing much.

Thanks for posting this! I may try this service for my bedroom tv; was hoping there would be more channels that Oceanic doesn't have but seems to be pretty much the same. Would be good to get HDNET back though. What would rate the HD quality on a scale of 1-10 with Oceanic being a 10?
post #5349 of 5427
My cable set top box (SA Explorer 4250HDC) was updated with the new Navigator software. However, I had bit of a trouble w/ it initially. I had to reboot the set top a couple times because there was a issue with the HDMI cable connection. The TV would disconnect from the set top every time I change the channel.

I suspect the combination of rebooting, setting the screen resolution, the software recognizing the HDMI cable, solved the latter problem.
post #5350 of 5427
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Originally Posted by 808vikingsfan View Post
Here's the channel lineup for HT's digital TV service if anyone's interested:

I've been pretty happy with it so far. Not as much HD channels as DTV but for what I normally watch, I haven't felt like I'm missing much.
Thanks for posting this. I noticed several channels, such as NFL Network and HDNet, which Oceanic doesn't carry. This is a huge plus for HawTel's service.
post #5351 of 5427
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Originally Posted by Konaguy View Post
Thanks for posting this. I noticed several channels, such as NFL Network and HDNet, which Oceanic doesn't carry. This is a huge plus for HawTel's service.
Good point...Huge plus.
I can't believe this pissing contest between TW and the NFL has gone on this long. The parties doing the negotiating must hate each others guts.
post #5352 of 5427
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Originally Posted by RobertCEO View Post

Thanks for posting this! I may try this service for my bedroom tv; was hoping there would be more channels that Oceanic doesn't have but seems to be pretty much the same. Would be good to get HDNET back though. What would rate the HD quality on a scale of 1-10 with Oceanic being a 10?

Sorry, I've never subscribed to Oceanic HD. My relatives have it but I never watched enough to be able to compare. Compared to DTV, HT is not as good but pretty close. There are also times were the picture breaks up but I'm pretty happy with the PQ so far. I sure do miss DTV's multi-channel coverage of the Masters though.
post #5353 of 5427
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Originally Posted by Konaguy View Post

Thanks for posting this. I noticed several channels, such as NFL Network and HDNet, which Oceanic doesn't carry. This is a huge plus for HawTel's service.

and since the NFLN produces the NFL Redzone channel, I'm hoping HT will carry it as well.
post #5354 of 5427
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Originally Posted by 808vikingsfan View Post

I'm not familiar with what you're looking for. If you tell me what and how, I can get the numbers for you. Never had DSL before.

It's a 2WIRE Router model # 3801 HGV.

And your DSL appears to be different than my DSL, in that the 3801 uses VDSL and I have ADSL2.

Found this (might work):
Quote from: tedken on April 06, 2011, 04:18:55 PM
What is this software that's displaying these stats??

It's a little utility called U-Verse Realtime. It's available for download (free) from www.uverserealtime.com/
http://www.uverserealtime.com/default.aspx

As you say it's like ATT's uverse, so questions you might have could have answers here:
http://www.uverseusers.com/index.php...m_smf&Itemid=2

Looks like the CCing click count has been an ongoing issue:
http://forums.att.com/t5/Features-an...highlight/true
post #5355 of 5427
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Originally Posted by tvhawaii View Post

And your DSL appears to be different than my DSL, in that the 3801 uses VDSL and I have ADSL2.

Found this (might work):
Quote from: tedken on April 06, 2011, 04:18:55 PM
What is this software that's displaying these stats??

It's a little utility called U-Verse Realtime. It's available for download (free) from www.uverserealtime.com/
http://www.uverserealtime.com/default.aspx

As you say it's like ATT's uverse, so questions you might have could have answers here:
http://www.uverseusers.com/index.php...m_smf&Itemid=2

Looks like the CCing click count has been an ongoing issue:
http://forums.att.com/t5/Features-an...highlight/true

Thanks for the info. It's very discouraging knowing the company has done nothing about the CC problem for over 2 years now.

I tried getting the U-Verse Realtime to work but it can't connect to my router for some reason. It see's it but can't access it. I've tried a couple of things mentioned in forums but no luck.

One think I do like about DSL, no shared bandwidth. My RR connection usually bogs down after work but DSL has been very steady all times of the day.

Oh, one more thing I found on HT's digital service, no CC on recorded programs. Hearing imparied (or households with kids), you may want to stay away from this service.
post #5356 of 5427
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Originally Posted by JimNastic View Post

From the Oceanic website:

On February 1, 2010 we will add the following channels to our lineup:

* Military History to DVP
* NBA TV HD to HDE
* Starz Kids and Family HD
* Starz EdgeHD and Starz Comedy to STARZ Premium
* GameHD (MLBXI)
* GameHD2 (MLBXI) and TeamHD (NBALP to HD PPV)


On February 10 we will add NHK World to DVP and NHK World HD to HDE.

Within 30-60 days we will add:

* MTV
* Comedy Central
* Spike TV
* Nickelodeon
* VH1
* CMT
* AMC
* WE to CPSTHD
* BET and IFC to DVPHD
* More Max HD
* Action Max HD and Thriller Max HD to Cinemax Premium Svc.
* TMC Xtra HD to TMC Premium Svc.

30-60 days? Over a year now!

Maybe I should switch to DirectTV or Hawaii Telecom.
post #5357 of 5427
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Originally Posted by 808vikingsfan View Post

One think I do like about DSL, no shared bandwidth. My RR connection usually bogs down after work but DLS has been very steady all times of the day.

I'm still curious about what kinda' speed they are giving you.
This is usually pretty close:
http://honolulu.speedtest.net/
post #5358 of 5427
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Originally Posted by tvhawaii View Post
I'm still curious about what kinda' speed they are giving you.
This is usually pretty close:
http://honolulu.speedtest.net/
I believe its the 11Mbps tier. They can't offer IPTV service over anything less.
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I miss the add favorites functionality which was available in the previous SA Explorer 4250HDC set top box. I could easily add favorite channels by pressing the info button. However, the new Navigator software makes adding favorites a bit more difficult.

The stability issues (e.g screen freezing,etc) have worked themselves out. However, there is still a a lag between changing channels.
post #5360 of 5427
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Originally Posted by tvhawaii View Post

I'm still curious about what kinda' speed they are giving you.
This is usually pretty close:
http://honolulu.speedtest.net/

11pm on a friday.

Both tested through wireless router:

RR 9.82Mbps/.97
HT 17.56Mbps/.94

Was pretty surprised at the HT speed. I normally see between 9-11Mbps.

Thinking TV has something to do with the speed difference, I tried it with and without the TV boxes on.

With the max number of HD stations on (2), speed dropped to 8.9Mbps.
Turning all TV boxes off, download speed jumped back up to 18.9Mbps
The 17.56Mbps I got earlier was with 1 SD running. So I'm guessing if you have the max number of TV's on (2 HD, 2 SD), you'll probably see your download speed drop to 6 or 7 Mbps.
post #5361 of 5427
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Originally Posted by 808vikingsfan View Post

Both tested through wireless router:

RR 9.82Mbps/.97
HT 17.56Mbps/.94

Was pretty surprised at the HT speed. I normally see between 9-11Mbps.
Looks great, hope they roll it out before summer.
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Scanning new channels produced KGMB "This TV" on 5.2 featuring classics from the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s like Seahunt, Outer Limits, Bat Masterson, Stargate SG1. This TV looks like the sister network of Me TV which features classics like Star Trek (TOS and TNG), Three Stooges, Perry Mason, Cannon, Bonanza and much more.

http://honolulu.thistv.com/

Looking at the schedule for April 29, This TV will feature two classic movies that are rarely seen (except on TCM): famed Honolulu detective Charlie Chan in Monte Carlo and Egypt.
post #5363 of 5427
The max DSL speed tier which Hawaiian Tel offers is 11Mbps http://www.hawaiiantel.com/Residenti...0/Default.aspx So, I'm surprised by your speed test results...unless you live in a new development which HawTel has rolled out FTTH?
post #5364 of 5427
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Originally Posted by hikai007 View Post

I just did a check, everything worked for me except for ABC/KITV-HD, anyone sniff it out?

Anyone?
post #5365 of 5427
Does anybody have any experiences to share comparing DTV to Oceanic? I currently have Oceanic and with the upcoming Navigator update, my DVR will no longer be able to use an external HD, also about 2 years ago TWC dropped HDNet (which I liked). It seems that DirecTV would be a bit cheaper than Oceanic. How is the DVR with Directv? How about the picture quality? are there any concerns of losing the signal? Seems like HawaiianTel will be in the TV market soon, so that might also be an option.
post #5366 of 5427
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Originally Posted by Konaguy View Post

The max DSL speed tier which Hawaiian Tel offers is 11Mbps http://www.hawaiiantel.com/Residenti...0/Default.aspx So, I'm surprised by your speed test results...unless you live in a new development which HawTel has rolled out FTTH?

Talked to an operator. From what it sounds like, with video subscription, you will get a faster internet service, up to 21Mbps. Asked if it was because of fiber and she didn't think so. There may be fiber leading up to the remote station, but not to the residence. This is from a billing representative so I'm not sure how accurate the info is. I do live in a relatively new neighborhood (20 years new) but I know I don't have fiber to my house.
post #5367 of 5427
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Originally Posted by 808vikingsfan View Post

Talked to an operator. From what it sounds like, with video subscription, you will get a faster internet service, up to 21Mbps. Asked if it was because of fiber and she didn't think so. There may be fiber leading up to the remote station, but not to the residence. This is from a billing representative so I'm not sure how accurate the info is. I do live in a relatively new neighborhood (20 years new) but I know I don't have fiber to my house.

The billing person was likely mistaken. HawTel's highest residential tier DSL service is 11Mbps. The last mile copper loops can handle up to 100Mbps (if you live ridiculously close to the CO/RT). However, HawTel hasn't progressed that far yet.

HawTel rolled out FTTH only to new subdivisions on Maui and Oahu. Nevertheless, their website doesn't make any mention of this service. So, I figure the roll out is pretty limited.
post #5368 of 5427
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Originally Posted by chalankanoa View Post

Does anybody have any experiences to share comparing DTV to Oceanic? I currently have Oceanic and with the upcoming Navigator update, my DVR will no longer be able to use an external HD, also about 2 years ago TWC dropped HDNet (which I liked). It seems that DirecTV would be a bit cheaper than Oceanic. How is the DVR with Directv? How about the picture quality? are there any concerns of losing the signal? Seems like HawaiianTel will be in the TV market soon, so that might also be an option.

As of October of 2007, when I switched from Oceanic, DirecTV was ahead in all categories. Their DVRs, especially, were miles ahead. Probably still are, since D* has continued to improve the user interface firmware in their DVRs. This Fall, supposedly, an HD version of the user interface will be introduced.

(I'm sorry that I didn't see this post before -- I realize my reply isn't timely.)
post #5369 of 5427
Anyone sign-up yet for Hawaiian Telcom's TV service? If so, how difficult was the installation and what are you thoughts thus far of the service relative to Oceanic? Thanks!
post #5370 of 5427
I would like to hear as well. I once had DSL from HawTel, but they would only take responsibility up to the network interface on the outside of my house, and if that's the way it is for video service it would not interest me.

scott s.
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