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post #121 of 1111
Quote:
Originally posted by Gadgetzilla
Dave Vaughn wrote:


Hi Dave,

Just wondering if you had a chance to get that picture.
My Laptop is booting up now. I will post them soon.

Dave
post #122 of 1111
Here is the Component RGB
LL
post #123 of 1111
DVI RGB...Notice the extra bump in blue. This is caused by the DVI.
LL
post #124 of 1111
Here is the temperature of the Component
LL
post #125 of 1111
Notice the higher temperature in middle IRE's. This is caused by the excess of blue. My Hitachi already has excess blue here and doesn't need any help :-) . I still have Color Facts till the 12th and plan on working on it more (if the wife doesn't threaten to throw me out of the house!).

Dave
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post #126 of 1111
Thread Starter 
Dave

Very interesting. Is there a chance that this hump can be dialed in via the players gamma settings? Since you have 5 memories to work with I imagine you could dial in the settings for component, DVI 480P, 720P and 1080i. Have you tried this at all?

The only downfall I have this time around with the benchmark is the ability to test frequency response on the video side as I am without a O-Scope. The one we were previously using is no longer available.
post #127 of 1111
Kris,
I haven't really had a chance to play with the gamma settings at all. That is the next thing I am going to do. My hope was to be able to eliminate the blue hump from my Hitachi. My dismay came when the hump got larger with the DVI. I was hoping to eliminate all of the D/A conversions and upscaling from the Hitachi by just feeding it a 1080i signal and then the Hitachi just having to display that from the DVI with only 1 D/A conversion. Right now it has to go from 480i to 480p to 540p (or 1080i). The scaler in the Hitachi is OK, but I presume the Hitachi is much better.

Dave
post #128 of 1111
Kris,
Have you played with the Gamma at all on the 5900? I really don't know what G0-G9 does to the picutre. Does the G0 correspond to the dark part of the picture (say 20 IRE) and the G9 correspond to 100 IRE? The manual isn't very helpful here (no surprise on that one!).

Dave
post #129 of 1111
Thread Starter 
I haven't and I'm not really sure what each one correlates to. If I had a scope it would be easy to tell but again I don't.
post #130 of 1111
Quote:
Originally posted by Martin419
Anyway Cain (and others here), why don't you just wait and hear what DenonJeff has to say. He's already relayed the info to Japan who are looking into these "claims". I've spoken with him about this. He's reading this thread.

Anyway, the Denon products are usually fully-configurable through firmware updates. I am sure it is just a contrast/calibration issue.

What I have noticed with the -5900 is that the picture is "razor sharp" compared with my previous -3800 -- which is just what I wanted. It shows-up everything -- "warts and all".
No one here has the right to tell someone else how to spend their money. Especially large amounts - $2,000!

New technology is very risky and prone to errors and bugs. Manufacture support is generally terrible. Most manufactures even contract out there warranty support. Each purchaser needs to make a quick determination whether on not to keep any product they buy.

Would any sane person rely "what some person said to rely on some other guy on the Internet"? Wow! Only if Denon or the dealer promised in writing that the unit could be returned with no questions asked and for a prompt refund would I ever consider it. The least risk is to return it and let you guys here worry about the problems.

Within six months of debuting, Denon's last flagship model (the 2900) was available at ecost.com for $529.00 (47% discount). The high-end magazines The Absolute Sound and Stereophile Guide especially rated its SACD,DVD audio, CD sound quality as poor.

Now who do you think made the right decision?
post #131 of 1111
Ah, but the 5900 SACD, DVD Audio, and CD quality is not poor. That's the point, right? A universal box for $1400-1600? An all in one box usually does not do it all in excellent fashion. What is the saying "a jack of all trades and a master of none"? I think the 5900 is a very good "jack of all trades" box. The Porsche Cayenne is the 5900 of SUV's and for $50,000 - $80,000 it's a "jack of all trades and a master of none" vehicle. Maybe, just maybe we expect too much from manufacturers and technology right now. Did any one who bought the Cayenne really think it would handle like a sports car and go off road like a Jeep? I hope not. Did anyone really think this player would be the "best of the best" in all areas and flaw free? Again, I hope not.
post #132 of 1111
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Originally posted by softengr
The high-end magazines The Absolute Sound and Stereophile Guide especially rated its SACD,DVD audio, CD sound quality as poor.

Now who do you think made the right decision?
But there were a lot of professional reviews of 2900 and MOST of them actually rated SACD and DVD audio sound as excellent. Picking the only couple of reviews that say otherwise does not mean that 2900 has poor sound.
post #133 of 1111
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Originally posted by vpravosu
But there were a lot of professional reviews of 2900 and MOST of them actually rated SACD and DVD audio sound as excellent. Picking the only couple of reviews that say otherwise does not mean that 2900 has poor sound.
You don't realize this but you have just learned who's judgment to trust and who not to trust. This will save you a lot of money and add musical enjoyment if you let it.

I bought the 2900 myself and kept it for only one evening. 5900 audio is the same design as the 2900. In a word: bright!
post #134 of 1111
With all due respect, I have listened to CD, HDCD, DVD-A, DD-EX and DTS-ES
on my, as yet, uncalibrated 5900 and it definitely is not, to borrow the most
overused, misused and generic non-description, "bright".
And what does, "5900 audio is the same design as the 2900" mean, exactly?
post #135 of 1111
softengr,

I'm not telling you how to spend your money. I'm just saying that you are jumping to the wrong conclusions. There is NO "macroblocking" bug on the 5900. That bug is on the disc, not in the player.
You seem to be assuming the player must be guilty before proven innocent.

I assume the player is innocent until proven guilty. And all the indications are that the player is innocent. According to your 'logic', you should never buy any player at all then.
post #136 of 1111
Thread Starter 
I would have to say that the 5900 shines with audio in all respects. Very detailed. I definately wouldn't call it bright. There are a lot of variables in ones system that may draw them to that conclusion including the music recording itself.
post #137 of 1111
I've been playing with 5900 this morning and think the audio borders on excellent. The SACD isn't quite the XA777ES but it isn't far off. If this unit sounds bright I'd really have to question the system.

Ken
post #138 of 1111
ken, how many hours do u have on yours?
post #139 of 1111
Quote:
Originally posted by softengr
You don't realize this but you have just learned who's judgment to trust and who not to trust. This will save you a lot of money and add musical enjoyment if you let it.

I bought the 2900 myself and kept it for only one evening. 5900 audio is the same design as the 2900. In a word: bright!
I agree. I have just learned that I should not trust these two sources that you mentioned because I disagree with their opinion based on my own experience. BTW I do own 5900 and I think it sounds excellent on all formats and I would never use a word "bright" to describe it (unless you use at as a synonym of superb . :) )
post #140 of 1111
I have to agree about the audio. I have the 5900 and in my system and ears it sounds very warm and detailed with a very open sound-stage. By far the best DVD player that I've heard. This of course is my opinion and being that everyone's ears are different I can only speak for myself. I am a musician so I care to think that I have well tuned ears.

Ron
post #141 of 1111
Jon.
I hooked the 5900 up last night and the calibrator left a few hours ago. So I'd say in total I have all of three hours on the machine:)

So far I'm pretty impressed.
Ken
post #142 of 1111
i think most ppl recomended 200 hours of break in. i didn't try to compare before and after, but it was definitely somewhere after 100 to 150 hours + that i felt that i noticed some differences. it could be all psychological, but it was definitely after when i sat down and was extremely impressed with all the audio aspects.
dvda and sacd i expected alot already, but redbook really blew me away on this machine. my speakers r pretty revealing though so my experience may be different than others.
post #143 of 1111
Softy,
you need a refresher on the SGHT Denon 2900 review.
Yes the reviewer did use the term bright describing a specific
quality of the 2900.
In reproducing cymbals, the 2900 sounded "bright and clean",
sounds like postive adjectives to me.
Nowhere in the article was the term "poor" used to describe
anything regarding the 2900.
post #144 of 1111
Thread Starter 
I have read The Absolute Sounds review of the 2900 and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't set it up correctly. They comment on the higher end sounding pretty good, but the low end lacking. This could be a function of the setup of channel levels in the SACD and DVD-A setup. But they may just be pickier.
post #145 of 1111
GUYS-

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

I have no qualms about stating that softengr is a total weenie who gets his kicks out of making contrary statements and getting everybody all stirred up. Then he splits and does it somewhere else. He does it all the time in the RPTV forum.

He has issues.
post #146 of 1111
Quote:
Originally posted by Ahardt
GUYS-

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

I have no qualms about stating that softengr is a total weenie who gets his kicks out of making contrary statements and getting everybody all stirred up. Then he splits and does it somewhere else. He does it all the time in the RPTV forum.

He has issues.
I am an engineer with 25 years of experience in audio and video. I try to advance the art.

It is a fact that the Denon selected Analog Devices op-amps are well known for having a clean but cold bright sound quality. I've modified many DVD player to "improve their sound" with AD op-amps but never succeeded.

I am sharing my experience to cause potential Denon owners to critically think by giving then the facts. I'll bet that the 5900 will be available for $1200 with in six months.

Do you think that I did not know the existing owners would react so emotionally? Most people do exactly that. Most had some critical reasoning in their response and I admire that.

It is difficult to discuss the cold hard naked truth. But it can make for entertaining reading too. This forum is growing!

I did not post until someone starting pressuring others as how to spend their money. This is a consequence of an un-moderated News Group/forum.

Ahardt, your post showed anger and contributed nothing concerning the Denon 5900. Did you have a bad day today? Please stay on topic and discuss the facts. Thank you!
post #147 of 1111
Hey softenger or should i call you the god of audio. What is your problem? you dont like denon fine dont buy it. Its not your money people are spending so you have no right to come to a thread that you have no purpose but to slam denon. And who in the world made you the expert of audio? I bet you would think comusmer reports was a great mag also.
post #148 of 1111
The 5900 has JRC 2068D op amps in it stock. Mine now has AD8620s in it though.

There are some interesting things I see looking at the schematics of the audio section. I'll wait till I've compiled all my notes to post my findings.

John
post #149 of 1111
Quote:
Originally posted by kevinca1
Hey softenger or should i call you the god of audio. What is your problem? you dont like denon fine dont buy it. Its not your money people are spending so you have no right to come to a thread that you have no purpose but to slam denon. And who in the world made you the expert of audio? I bet you would think comusmer reports was a great mag also.
LOL at what this poor thread has become....

Come on now Kevinca1....CR is an ok mag, well for appliances and car reliability at least :)

I find it hard to believe softengr as he doesn't even seem to know there are some differences in the audio processing with the 2900 and 5900, same DACs, yeah, same opamps, maybe, but there is much more to it than that. Also, I have heard both and they both sound very good for hi rez and redbook.

Ah well, such is the digression of so many useful threads :(
post #150 of 1111
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Originally posted by ptaaty
Ah well, such is the digression of so many useful threads :(
This is what happens to most of the threads softengr "participates" in.
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