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post #2011 of 2442
Wait, why would you suspect that the amp might be damaged? Are you saying that you've hooked it up as you wrote and the shakers don't work?

You may need to go into your 1008's menu and let it know that you have "two" subs connected. It might be that if you've hooked up the Dayton to the second output, and the 1008 was configured for just one, that it might be inactive. Also check the output signal strength (in db) from that sub port, too.

How many shakers do you have and how are you wiring them to the amp i.e. series, parallel, series-parallel etc?

Finally, and this is a last resort, there have been reports of shakers being shipped with the terminals the wrong way around.
post #2012 of 2442
I actually connected the shakers to my left speaker input and it shakes! I'm reading on the amps little leaflet that came with it, that it will only output high level inputs to the high level outputs and the same for the low level ones. So I guess I will have to split an RCA cable and split the wire to connect it that way?
post #2013 of 2442
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Originally Posted by Derko View Post

I actually connected the shakers to my left speaker input and it shakes! I'm reading on the amps little leaflet that came with it, that it will only output high level inputs to the high level outputs and the same for the low level ones. So I guess I will have to split an RCA cable and split the wire to connect it that way?

Oops! My mistake. There should be another cable on the other side of the amplifier (not the side with all the posts and sockets on). THAT's the speaker output!
post #2014 of 2442
hi, i just got 2 x Aura Pro's and their rated 50w and i'm using an old SCOTT amp thats 100w will it burn it out?
post #2015 of 2442
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post

Oops! My mistake. There should be another cable on the other side of the amplifier (not the side with all the posts and sockets on). THAT's the speaker output!

LOL, I should have came back to the forum, but it took me about 10 min to figure it out. I love how it feels, but the placement is a bit challenging. Just because I am getting the effect way too localized in only the center seat. I gotta figure out how to hook it up to the frame of the entire couch instead of just one of the sections...

Other than that, I like it. Any suggestions on settings for the amp? I currently set the frequency to the lowest possible and set the gain to about mid way. It feels a bit unnatural at times though...
post #2016 of 2442
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Originally Posted by Derko View Post

LOL, I should have came back to the forum, but it took me about 10 min to figure it out. I love how it feels, but the placement is a bit challenging. Just because I am getting the effect way too localized in only the center seat. I gotta figure out how to hook it up to the frame of the entire couch instead of just one of the sections...

Other than that, I like it. Any suggestions on settings for the amp? I currently set the frequency to the lowest possible and set the gain to about mid way. It feels a bit unnatural at times though...

Gain may be too high. Turn it down and see. Also, the frequency should probably be set to the highest, and you let your Onkyo set the crossover; I have mine set to 60 Hz on my Onkyo, so only frequencies below that go to the shakers and subwoofers. The in-wall speakers go down to 50 Hz, but I spare them the last 10 Hz of their range. By setting the frequency on the am to the highest, it'll accept everything the Onkyo sends to it (which is pre-filtered). At the least, set it slightly higher than the crossover for the sub set by your Onkyo.
Currently you have set your amp to 40 Hz, but if your Onkyo has it's sub crossover set to 60 Hz, say, you'll be losing out on the 60 Hz to 40 Hz frequencies.
Do you have a regular subwoofer? If so, you might try setting the Dayton amp and the subwoofer to the same settings, excet for gain which should be set individually.
post #2017 of 2442
Thanks for all the advice fitbrit! I have my towers down to 50hz, center to 60hz and surrounds to 70hz. So I'll definitely just max the cross over. That's how my sub is set up, I totally didn't even think about it.

And yes, the effect is so much better when it's more subtle. I also think I have to order the two shakers. I took them off the center chair and zip tied them to right under the cushion and it feels great. Now I just need another one for the 3rd seat and I will put one to the wood frame of the center chair.
post #2018 of 2442
Now that I played with the gain, I found out that one of the kickers isn't as strong as the other. I guess I didn't notice it before because I wasn't sitting in that seat, but when I lowered it so that it was just right for my center seat, my wife mentioned she could not feel it at all. So I tried connecting it to the amp by itself and it is indeed a lot less than the other. I also tried reversing the polarity to see if it made a difference, but nothing.

It does shake when the gain is all the way to the top, but it is still considerably less than the other shaker.
post #2019 of 2442
Seems like you need an exchange. Or check to see it's making good contact where it's mounted.
post #2020 of 2442
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post

Seems like you need an exchange. Or check to see it's making good contact where it's mounted.

Yea I checked and even changed the cable to make sure... I hope PE lets me just simply get it exchanged...
post #2021 of 2442
Good luck. I've never had to do an exchange with them, but it would suck as I get stuff delivered to NY at the Quebec border and I live in Montreal, Canada.
post #2022 of 2442
PE is pretty good about taking care of problems, you should be OK.
post #2023 of 2442
Yes they did. I ordered 4 shakers again and got them discounted and asked if I could return the other two. There was no problem at all, will definetly buy from them again.
post #2024 of 2442
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Originally Posted by Derko View Post

Now that I played with the gain, I found out that one of the kickers isn't as strong as the other. I guess I didn't notice it before because I wasn't sitting in that seat, but when I lowered it so that it was just right for my center seat, my wife mentioned she could not feel it at all. So I tried connecting it to the amp by itself and it is indeed a lot less than the other. I also tried reversing the polarity to see if it made a difference, but nothing.

It does shake when the gain is all the way to the top, but it is still considerably less than the other shaker.

If you have a multimeter, it might be worth checking the resistance of each -- they should all read about 4 ohms so you may have something more concrete for PE if it reads different (though PE is very good so you shouldn't have any issues regardless).

I bought 2 of the mini "puck" shakers (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...gn=email012011) for a gaming driving seat and one of them doesn't work and shows infinite resistance on the ohmmeter (I expect PE will replace with no issues, but haven't had a chance to talk to them yet).
post #2025 of 2442
Will I feel 4 mini-kickers (shakers) on a large sectional? If any one has experience with them. My SvS PC-13 ultra kicks pretty good but from what I have read by fellow bass lovers, is that the buttkicker upgrade should be fantastic. Will 4 minis be enough?
post #2026 of 2442
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

Will I feel 4 mini-kickers (shakers) on a large sectional? If any one has experience with them. My SvS PC-13 ultra kicks pretty good but from what I have read by fellow bass lovers, is that the buttkicker upgrade should be fantastic. Will 4 minis be enough?

Sorry, I don't have experience with the mini-shakers. I can tell you that even my small, cheap K-Woon shakers provide a staggering enhancement to viewing.

Last night I was watching UFC 128. As the fighters bounced around the cage, the tactile sensation and 120" screen really made it feel as if we were in the octagon with them.
I'd imagine that any Buttkicker product will do a good job. My LFEs and Advances are set to a fraction of their power rating and still do very well.
post #2027 of 2442
hey guys,

i have a couple of questions regarding these shakers, i have been looking over this thread for the last couple of days searching for an anwser.

1. how do you run dual subs and shakers?? I have a pioneer elite, and i assume that i would run a splitter out of the elite. one wire into an amplifier and the other i would split again, one going to each sub. is that correct? thanks

2. how do i splice speaker wire to run series/parallel? say i was going to run 4 shakers what would i use to splice the wire? thanks
post #2028 of 2442
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Originally Posted by gollumis View Post

1. how do you run dual subs and shakers?? I have a pioneer elite, and i assume that i would run a splitter out of the elite. one wire into an amplifier and the other i would split again, one going to each sub. is that correct? thanks

2. how do i splice speaker wire to run series/parallel? say i was going to run 4 shakers what would i use to splice the wire? thanks

1. You are correct (if by "wire" you mean RCA cable)

2. Layout your diagram for connections, look at the # of each gauge wire you'll be connecting together, then go buy the correct size electrical wire nut for that number (it should say on the side of the box). You might need a couple different sizes.
post #2029 of 2442
Thanks for the reply Miltimj

1. yes i meant RCA. Where is a good place to get Rca Splitters?

2. so you can use wire nuts to splice 3 wires? i was just looking at the diagrams on here and it looks like one wire coming from the amp gets split in two directions going to each pair of shakers, so it would be 3 wires in one wire nut. is that correct?

also am i correct to assume that if you only use 2-3 shakers series wiring is fine and 4+ would require series/parallel? I was thinking of getting the 250w Dayton amp. Thanks
post #2030 of 2442
1. Depends on the quality you want, but options are Monoprice, PartsExpress, and eBay. I've used Monoprice and Monster.

2. Yes, you can splice as many as it says on the box - I've done 6 before with some wire nuts. Align all of the ends, then just screw it on until very snug.

You're correct on the series/parallel wiring. Once you get into parallel numbers of shakers, you'll want to get an even number. You'll get the most power out of your amp by combining shakers to get the lowest resistance that the amp can handle (but no less than that).
post #2031 of 2442
A couple years ago (yes, years, this project has been long in coming) I bought 6 Auro Pro Bass Shakers from Parts Express along with the Dayton Audio APA150 150W Power Amplifier to power them. I am planning on installing them in this U-shaped sectional. I was planning on equaling distributing them between all seating positions probably slightly biased to the most used seating position. What is your suggestion on how to wire the Shakers?

I think I could wire three shakers in series (12 ohms) then another three shakers in series (12 ohms) and then run those sets of three in parallel back to the amp (bridged) so that it sees a 6 ohm load.

Would that work? Any other suggestions?

Here's the setup including my dual Epik Empires.

post #2032 of 2442
Does anyone out there have any idea on were and how to mount a bass shaker to palliser theater seating? I have 4 palliser sensations seats and 4buttkicker mini bass shaker.
post #2033 of 2442
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Originally Posted by stonedoggy View Post

Does anyone out there have any idea on were and how to mount a bass shaker to palliser theater seating? I have 4 palliser sensations seats and 4buttkicker mini bass shaker.

I mounted Aura Pros on Palliser Pacificos directly onto the bracing board that goes across the back near the bottom of the chair. It's a somewhat small board, I think about 4" in width from memory, but it works great with the Aura Pros. It's a fairly tight squeeze to get them on because you need to ensure that it doesn't hit the internals of the chair when reclining, but they just fit with the Aura Pros, at least for the Pacifico model. I've found it to generate plenty of shaking with one shaker per chair.
post #2034 of 2442
Thanks so much for the info. I will check to see if the buttkickers can fit in the area. Did you have to remove any fabric?
post #2035 of 2442
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Originally Posted by stonedoggy View Post

Thanks so much for the info. I will check to see if the buttkickers can fit in the area. Did you have to remove any fabric?

I didn't need to remove any fabric, though I think I drilled through it. I posted some pictures back in post #1827, you should be able to see it directly here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1827

This should help clarify how it was mounted and whether the Pacificos are similar to your model. Good luck with it -- it is worth the effort.
post #2036 of 2442
PJP

Almost Identicle setup. Thanks!!!
post #2037 of 2442
just installed buttkicker mini lfe's on my berklines this weekend! great tactile feeling

manage to snag 6 private labeled buttkicker 2 concert's half what most sites are selling them for. Hope i can make them fit in my chairs some how!
post #2038 of 2442
I have four Aura Pro Bass Shakers and a 240W Dayton amp on its way from Parts Express. But I have a wiring question. Will the power amp see the same load with both of these wiring approaches? If not, which is better? The first one is my preffered route because I plan on using one pair per row. My thought is that either way would equate to a total 4 Ohm load to the amp. (unless I'm missing something) Am I right?
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post #2039 of 2442
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Originally Posted by savior sound View Post

I have four Aura Pro Bass Shakers and a 240W Dayton amp on its way from Parts Express. But I have a wiring question. Will the power amp see the same load with both of these wiring approaches? If not, which is better? The first one is my preffered route because I plan on using one pair per row. My thought is that either way would equate to a total 4 Ohm load to the amp. (unless I'm missing something) Am I right?
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Either will work.
post #2040 of 2442
Thanks. But, do both equate to a 4 ohm load?
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