Shakers - Simple/Cheap Hookup - Visual Guide - Page 69

so i have found a way to mount full size buttkickers into my berkline 12006(imported 45088)

replacing buttkicker mini's i've had it there for less then 2 weeks.

has anyone with a buttkicker full size ever found the need for more buttkicking?

deciding on whether to keep the mini in or remove it when the full size goes in

I've found that even the Buttkicker Advance has more than enough kick for 5 people on two adjacent couches. I have three Buttkicker LFEs too, and I think I use just a fraction of their power for single seat purposes.

I have minis in the same chairs and they work very, very well. I can't imagine needing more kick. Did you mound t them yourself or did you have them installed before shipping? Did you have isolators installed on the bottom of the chair to raise them off the floor a little bit?

installed the mini myself, on wood and bolted to the frame, the mini is close to the linear actuator. wood size 7.25" x 18" x 3/4" or so.

i bought some penn elecom 9106 cabinet feet, $1.06 each at market tek, placed one under each original plastic foot on the recliner frame, and 2 for the arm rest sections, replacing the plastic pieces in the arm rest sections.

will be installing the lfe full size myself too, will wood size will probably be 18"x4" and bolted to the frame again.

i also used vhb tape at certain places.

Does anyone have advice for wiring 7 of the 4 ohm shakers to a receiver that only supports 8 ohm speakers? I understand wiring even numbers but am stuck with on the odd number. Ugh!

I am finally joining the bass shaker parade and wanted to confirm my plans and would ask for any input/advice.

Goal:

4 bass shakers connected to 4 powered recliners using a spare receiver/amp

Equipment:

Onkyo TX-NR609 (main receiver/amp)
Pioneer VSK-517K (spare receiver/amp to power bass shakers)
2 Powered subwoofers
4 Aura AST-2B-4 Pro Bass Shakers from Parts Express
4 Powered recliners

Intended Plan:

The Onkyo is a 7.2 receiver/amp. I will connect one of the subwoofer outputs to my current powered subwoofers. I will then connect the other subwoofer output to the Pioneer's TV RCA TV L-R inputs. Since the Pioneer is designed for 8 Ohms and the bass shakers are 4 Ohms, my thought based on what I have read is to wire them in series (two on the left channel and two on the right channel) like this:

Amp Neg Out -> Neg on Shaker 1 -> Pos on Shaker 1 -> Neg on Shaker 2 -> Pos on Shaker 2 -> Amp Pos Out

This would be duplicated on the other channel.

Questions:

I assume I turn off the Subwoofer output on the Pioneer. In other words, I want to ensure that the lowest frequencies get sent to the front speakers. Is that correct?

If I turn off the subwoofer output, do I need to do anything with the crossover settings? I assume the shakers will do what they need with the signal they get.

Thanks!

Your series wiring is correct.

I would use both LFE outputs of your 7.2 receiver for subs (one on each subwoofer) and use an RCA "Y" splitter from one of the subs to send a signal to the Pioneer for the shakers. This would allow Onkyo/Audessey to handle each sub individually. On the Pioneer run it with speakers set to large/full range so you're sending the entire LFE signal (already has LPF from Onkyo) to the shakers.

Does that make sense?

Good Luck.

Yes, that makes complete sense. I hadn't considered how the Audessey system would account for both subs running off the same output. I'll do as you recommend and split one of sub outs to go the Pioneer.

Also, good point about setting the speaker size on the Pioneer to Large. I do the opposite on the Onkyo and set them to Small to ensure that the LFE signal is going to the subs and now the bass shakers.

Now, off to finish mounting the bass shakers!

Thanks.

Swapped out one of my Buttkicker LFE MINI's to a private label Buttkicker LFE Full size.

I have to say, the difference is astounding!!

Managed to mount it on my small berkline 12006 aka inported 45088's

Mounted to a 18x24" plywood, towards the rear. Mounted using 3m VHB tape and screws. Total of 10 screws holding frame to wood, and another 4 holding the 2 aluminum angles to the wood, vhb taped to frame.

i think my buttkickers gave me nausea watching star trek again.

hey guys,

quick question, when using the the 240w subwoofer plate AMP from partsexpress. do i need to use the red and white cables going in or just one cable? i am just trying to figure out how many cables i will need

thanks,

I originally had aura shakers mounted to the rear of my Berkline 13175 chairs (with power recline) as seen below - image borrowed from another user. I played around with various options but defaulted to the set-up I had seen someone else use.

The response from the shakers was decent. This weekend I decided to play around with a few mounting options and found out that I could squeeze the shakers and mount them into the wood frame below the seat. Wow! What difference...the shaking affect was amplified and less "localized"....it felt more natural as a result.

Now I just need to find an effect way to wire up 7 shakers....I understand wiring an even number to get 8 ohms but still confused about wiring an odd number.

Old set-up:

I used this y-splitter when I set up my 240w and 2 shakers about a year ago:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I think I remember reading then, that it was better to use the splitter than to have the sub cable go directly into the 240w. I can't remember if I tried it both ways or not, but it's been working great using the splitter.

Gary

Thanks Garnuts

what splitter did you use to come out of your receivers LFE? i am planning on running dual subs with the shakers.

My Onkyo 707 has 2 sub outs:

1. to the 240w

2. this splitter to dual subs

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Gary

This would apply to Gary as well.

I'm relatively new to HT so I expeiment a lot. But I thought I remember reading in the monster Audyssey thread that some AVR's with 2 sub out's are not always really 2 separate channels. But 1 sub channel internally split to the two outs. (I don't know if this is the case for my Onkyo 707 or not)

I also thought that it may depend on which version Audyssey your AVR has (if it has Audyssey). Mine has MultEQ, which I'm not sure treats the 2 subs outs separately or individually?

But anyways, when I have some time I'll try re-running my set up as you suggest savior sound. Thanks for the input.

Gary

Anyone that has Berkline theater seats (I don't remember my model number) with the Aura bass shakers attached, can you attach a picture of how you mounted your shakers?

Thanks

I don't have any pics but here is a website I used with alot of great info on how to mount the bass shakers to a Berkline. I didn't use the same bass shaker but rather the Pro version so I only used one instead of two per chair.

Good luck!

http://www.dvarchive.org/Shakers/

That is PERFECT, thanks

Depending on your model of chair, that mounting position might not work. I have the Berkline 13175's and tried for hours to position the shakers as shown in that image. However, the power reclining mechanism would always grind on the shakers...the recline still worked, but I didn't think the metal-on-metal was good over the long-term.

I then positioned the shakers behind the seats as shown on the previous page of this thread in my post...but the shaking seemed localized. However, the third time I finally struck gold.

I flipped over the chair and decided to mount the shakers to the wooden frame that supports the seats. I attached mounting brackets to a 1x6 board and screwed the brackets directly into the wooden seat frame.

This provided a wide base tied securely into the seat frame to mount the shakers. The more you "tie" the pro-shakers into the seat frame it improves the impact....and by spreading the effect across the entire seat frame it smooths out the shaking and cuts down on a feeling of localized shaking.

I've been running with this set-up in my back row of seats and I am very happy with the results. I still need to remount the front row and can post pictures if needed.

Hi everyone and thank you for useful and qualified advice.
This being my first post here, here's part of my experience with shakers.
I own 4 Monacor BR-25 shakers and one t.amp s-200 amplifier(100W/4ohms per channel).
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carpower-BR-25...-/140534136782
Since installing the shakers in my(very old couch) did not give the expected results(awful rattling and buzzing from different metal and wooden elements) I build myself this:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/146/dsci1761h.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/806/dsci1764.jpg/

I can rest my feet on it or even sit on. Not for a long time, though.
This is kind of selfish, but until I will buy a new couch I'm the only one shakin' here.

It is inspired by some Buttkicker platform I have tried at Frankfurt MusikMesse(Music Fair) years ago.
http://www.thebuttkicker.com/musicia...sories/bkp.htm
For anyone interested in details, just ask.

Vlad

I just looked at your picture and will give it a try before I try the other way. The model of chair I have is similar to the one shown before but your looks like less work.

Do you have any problem with the back seat brushing against the speaker as you recline?

I had to buy an external crossover for my stereo receiver since it doesn't allow me to set what crossover I want; I only want 50Hz and below to play. Found one online that has a 50Hz crossover for only $10.

I need some help.......

i hooked up my 240w dayton amp and wired 3 shakers in series....and....nothing! I probably have something hooked up wrong. do i hook up the shakers to the "To Speakers" terminal or the "From Amplifier"? right know i have them hooked to the RIGHT "To Speaker" Terminals and i have the phase set to Norm. I thought i had beat the ground loop problem i was having (inserted cheater plug), but when i plugged in the amp...it begins again. sigh. Any help would be great.

I have my Pioneer Receiver xover at 80hz on my dual legends.

Thanks,

so it looks like my problem is that i am not using the wires on the front of the amp. can somebody explain how to get those wires to my first shaker. i am lost. and i thought i did my research...

Matt at partsexpress walked me through it... i think i know what to do.

I got them working, what should i set my xover to on the amp? right now i left it at 40hz. my subs are xover to 80hz.

thanks

Has anyone used this combination Clark Synthesis TST209 Tactile Transducer, and Dayton Audio APA150 150W Power Amplifier?? What do you guys think? Do you think the Dayton has enough power? Thanks John

can I hook up one bass shaker using my dedicated 5.1 receiver? The sub also has speaker in and out puts.

If so could some one explain exactly the wiring.

Thanks

The answer is it depends...

The only way you can hook it up to the receiver is to sacrifice one of the 5 non-sub channels to drive the amplified signal to the bass shaker.
The key is that you need an amplifier.
I've got an older 7.2 receiver that I use solely for bass shakers. I connect the sub output from my main receiver to the CD input of the shaker receiver, and then connect two bass shakers in series (=8 Ohms) per output. I have the shaker receiver in all channel stereo mode. I can drive up to 14 shakers simultaneously this way.