UMR Does GWIII XBR & WE - Page 2

You actually wanted to add edge enhancement to Vivid and Standard? At least on my set with 1080i both of these modes seem to overenhance the edges. Of course I haven't done any of the basic calibrations yet, so I may just be overdoing it on white level.

Maybe it's just my set, but I felt PQ tended to be on the soft side. This value is actually default for several other modes, for example DVI 480I, 480P and component 480p.

umr,

I went to change MHLC in MID5 for 1080i component and it was already set to 1. I should note that I have the 50we610.

I am surprised as well. There has to be someone close to umr. I remember when someone offered to fly him to the person's house, but that must have have happened. umr, if you ever get really lost, my TV is still waiting for you in ND.

umr,

That was in Vivid, interestingly according to the service manual the default value for component 1080i for both Vivid and Pro is 2. Not sure how mine was set to 1? My POP value was 0. I'll check actual PRO value later tonight. By the way, have any idea what Pro+ represents in the attachment? All other pages in the service manual explicitly state Pro, Mild off or on.

Please rescan in higher "readable" quality and link again!
would be interested in this page

do you also have the utility and meaning of each service menu setting
in the service manual ?
it would be nice if you could make a small .xls file with all the service menu and their use!


hey! welcome back UMR and thanks for the help on setting this display
i can't wait to start playing with it more!

No need to bump, I have added this topic to the Sony section of the "Popular Threads" stuck to the top of the forum page.

I am sure it will be an active thread.

WB UMR!

I picked up a 50WE610 (that is to say, non-xbr - I didn't think it'd be worth the extra cash for the XBR) on the big shopping day. I'm still tweaking and learning. I'd be more than happy to let UMR tweak the thing, but I suspect the distance is still far too great (about three hours from Houston area to Austin area). It doesn't help much that I only have a non-PS DVD player, and that' s my only source for test patterns.

Anyway, I've captured *some* of the settings mentioned in the gwii tweak guide, so if anyone else is looking here are the factory values and categories (first number is item number for quick navigation, 2nd number is the actual *factory* value).

DCP-ADJ1
3 RDRV 140
4 GDRV 140
5 BDRV 140
6 RCUT 255
7 GCUT 255
8 BCUT 255
10 SPIC 63
11 SCOL 170

DCP-USER
16 RYB 24
17 RYR 91
18 GYB 91
19 GYR 127

The scale of these values really makes me wish the gwii guide had listed the factory settings as well. UMR's post about the XBR GWIII does have the factory settings listed, and they're the same for the non-XBR. Right now the color on my set is pretty bad, so I won't bother with pictures at this point. The reds (red, magenta color bars) are way overdone, and through the DVE green filter, I see white, yellow, sky blue, yellow, blue, maroon, blue.

Anyone find where the panel switch control is hidden in the SM?

My 50 inch WE610 has been on order for a couple weeks. Thank you, UMR, for the starting point. Have DVE on order also (have an HS10 also, so I'll get some good use out of it). Will see how the DVE tweaking goes, and continue to follow this thread before thinking about more elaborate calibration, for either set. Thanks to everyone for all the contributions to the knowledge base about these sets.
- Mike

UMR,
I have a lot of red wine in my wine closet. If you're visiting Napa Valley, please stop on by....

I have to say that UMR is a really cool guy. Anybody who invites him over will really like him.

He is trully an expert on TV's and sure taught me a bunch in just a few hours.

Give him a week with a TV and he'll tweak it to perfection.

About now, I am really enjoying my set.

If only I had more time to let him tweak my set, but it is looking much better already and I've summoned up enough courage to start tweaking it a bit myself.

Enjoy your TVs and Merry Christmas to you all.

Hi bigscreentv,
What are your UM settings after umr tweaked it? I already adjusted the SM settings according to the first post. I currently use the Pro mode with temp on Warm and no Mild or NR.

Can you please post your....
Picture -
Brigntness -
Color -
Hue -
Sharpness -

Thanks!!

Tough to post the settings, as the new xbr does not have numbers for each of the user settings. Don't know why sony did that.

UMR,
OIC, so u didn't calibrate again after doing the reset on Pro. U just left everything as is, and then modified the SM settings. That's what I tried but.....

My problem is this...
I'm using a HTPC w/ATI 9700 thru DVI @ 1304x734 which shows up as 720P. The "color" setting still looks too high, very high red push. Also the white areas when I play a DVD are REALLY bright, and the blacks lose alot of detail. Is this because of the white/black crush I read about when using DVI (somewhere in one of threads)?

Thanks for all your help!

UMR,

Thanks for all of your help with the DIY calibration. I have a couple of questions for you:

1. You stated that your "testing with the GWII and a Bravo DVD Player is the past showed that double scaling is a bad idea.". My question is that I thought that the Bravo DVD has a costume setting for fixed pixel displays to match their native resolution? Is this not true?

2. I have now had my GWIII 70 XBR for about a month and I am really starting to see what I would call "digitizing of the PQ". I saw it really bad when I was watching a cartoon. It looks like the image is not smooth at all. Have you seen any this on your GWII or the GWIII that you have seen? Can this be fixed?

Sorry if these are stupid questions, but I starting to think I might have made a bad purchase.

Thank for your or anyone's help on these questions.

kodyklindt:

Please describe what you are seeing in more detail? Did you see this before or is this something that has only recently started to occur? Have you made any recent changes to your settings, especially DRC? What is your picture source: DirecTV, OTA, etc.?

The Sony sets have a lot of video processing, enhancements, corrections, etc. that can be turned on and in many cases these will make the PQ worse rather than better.

There is also a chance that you are just seeing an over-compressed satellitte feed (if that is the case). These things are not constant and will change based on where the provider is prioritizing the bandwidth. For example, during Sunday football a lot of channels will go from "okay" to "really suck" due to the increased bandwidth consumption of the Sunday Ticket channels.

Note that I can see some "digitizing" in the form of jaggies, etc. on some channels at certain times, but have pretty much pinned it down to source resolution. I purposely turned off most all enhancements so that my good channels (and DVD/HD) look pristine while accepting some suckiness to channels that started out bad in the first place.

Very odd to see this on cartoons, which generally require a lot less bandwidth to bring them across, but I will note that it is common to see some bad mpeg artifacting even here, like in cases where a character's face will be badly pixelated for a moment and then will refresh with a clean looking image. In that case it is the source, not the TV.

umr,
I have been folowing this forum for about 2 months now and purchased the 50we thanks to all of you guys, thanks guys for all the info, should arrive this week.
I see from all the reading that your opinion is highly valued. In a post above you listed the "tweekng" discs that you use. I purchased the SOUND & VISION HOME THEATER TUNE UP DISC for my in home newbie cal. I didn't see it in your user list. What do you think of it?
BTW, if your ever in the ft worth area you are more than welcome to "tweek" away on my 50we. Thanks guys!

Wow, great thread! I never thought I'd actually miss living in Houston again! My 42" GW III needs some tweaks.

Well I printed out the initial post in this thread and went to tweak my set today.

In Pro Mode I reset my settings as instructed.

I couldn't change the DRC items listed under User menu. I am unable to change the first 3 items of the advanced menu as they are greyed out. Any idea why? Is it because I am using the DVI Input? What input were you using the day you did these tweaks?

Also, I notice that the picture is not centered vertically on my screen and I was hoping to adjust that in the service menu but saw no VPOS setting anywhere. Any idea what I need to tweak to center my picture? The overscan test in DVE shows that I have horizontal centering issues as well and I'd like to fix both but was unwilling to take any guesses while in the service menu.

The SM items for adjusting the anamorphic (16:9) picture size and position are in the ‘MID1” category:

#1 DHPH – Horizontal Position
#2 DVPH – Vertical Position
#11 MDHS – Horizontal Size
#13 MDVS – Vertical Size

Please note that sometimes the horizontal centering issue may be caused by the DVD player (Panny RP-91, for example), not necessarily the tv.

Thanks for the info Chiifac.

I have a Denon 5900 as my DVD player. It has a limited ability to help center the picture in the player itself so I'll tweak the TV and see how it comes out. I don't really have any sources from my Sony HD300 DirecTV box that can help me align the picture so I'll use the DVD and then check out the Sat feed and see if anything looks amiss.

I'll be sure to write down all values before I change them in case I need to undo it.