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post #3121 of 6869
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Originally Posted by thephatp View Post

Ok, I just checked www.antennaweb.org, and this is what I found (only looking for digital channels:

Ant. Type/Call Sign/Channel/Network/City/Compass/Miles From/Freq. Assignment

yellow - uhf / KVUE-DT / 24.1 / ABC / AUSTIN / 177° / 12.2 / 33
yellow - uhf / KNVA-DT / 54.1 / WB / AUSTIN / 176° / 11.9 / 49
yellow - uhf / KXAN-DT / 36.1 / NBC / AUSTIN / 176° / 11.9 / 21
yellow - uhf / KLRU-DT / 18.1 / PBS / AUSTIN / 172° / 12.2 / 22
yellow - uhf / KEYE-DT / 42.1 / CBS / AUSTIN / 177° / 12.2 / 43
yellow - vhf / KAKW-DT / 62.1 / UNI / KILLEEN / 317° / 19.6 / 13
red - uhf / KNCT-DT / 46.1 / PBS / BELTON / 9° / 35.0 / 38


So, it looks like I'm an overage of about 12.1 miles from the tower.

Also, I live right across the street from a two story elementary school with a tin roof. In regards to my house, it's Southwest of my house. I'm not sure which direction the antenna would need to point, but I have no big trees around (new neighborhood), and only two story houses or two story shopping centers (and those are at least 3 or 4 miles away or more).

Antenna Web is lame in that they have not updated their database in some time. I've e-mailed them twice and never get a straight answer. In some markets they omit stations depending on zip code. I know of stations that changed their power output/facilities more than a year ago and antennaweb still doesn't reflect this.
post #3122 of 6869
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Originally Posted by T-Techster View Post

Antenna Web is lame in that they have not updated their database in some time. I've e-mailed them twice and never get a straight answer. In some markets they omit stations depending on zip code.

Can anyone suggest a viable alternative for which this user, and I'm sure many others, will grateful?

I'll just throw this one out there, can't vouch for it's quality/accuracy but maybe it'll get the ball rolling...

Due to the vagaries of link posting looks like you'll need to select Austin from the pop-out menu above & to the right of the map.

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/programm...t.php?dma_name[]=Austin
post #3123 of 6869
Guys i am about 6 miles to 7 miles from the towers in austin.. what tyoe of OTA due I need to get, i live in the great hills area two story house... I also have direct tv but want OTA HD>>>
post #3124 of 6869
I noticed in my TWC guide that there are some channels in the 1700s with no guide info. Looks to be analog mirrors of local channels, but when I tune to 2-5, I notice a better pic and the dolby digital light pop on my receiver.

Maybe the beginning of digital simulcasting in the Austin area. I hope so, cause some of the analog cable channels don't look very good on my 50" plasma.
post #3125 of 6869
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Originally Posted by SMHorn View Post

I noticed in my TWC guide that there are some channels in the 1700s with no guide info. Looks to be analog mirrors of local channels...

I spoke with someone from TWC yesterday about this, actually. They said these are for more HD channels and they they are just "making space" for them, but did NOT say that any were coming soon.
post #3126 of 6869
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sigs21 View Post

Guys i am about 6 miles to 7 miles from the towers in austin.. what tyoe of OTA due I need to get, i live in the great hills area two story house... I also have direct tv but want OTA HD>>>

In the great hills area... all you really need is coat hanger. the power is so great on these stations, that you won't need anything other than a cheap UHF, unless maybe your house is wrapped in aluminum foil or radiant barrier or something.
post #3127 of 6869
This list from the FCC should be more helpful than antenna web in searches for available over the air stations. Some stations have more than one listing, even for their digital signals, due to facility upgrades.

When digital stations first went on the air, most of the majors were operating at reduced power. The majors have since gone full 1,000kw ERP (except KXAN and KNVA which still provide strong signals). Those old stats and current operating status are both within each station's listing. Also within each station's detailed listing is a link to their coverage map (service contour).

I see that there are now competing applications pending for low power digital stations on channel 19, 23 and an unopposed application for the UT student station on ch. 29.

Central Texas OTA stations within 100km of Austin
post #3128 of 6869
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Well the channels from 2-100 look pretty crappy still(analog so depend on your cabling) - but most of what I watch in that range in available in HD.

Sometime this summer(last I heard) they will start simulcasting 0-100 in digital which should improve things...

xnappo

FYI TWC is now simulcasting channels 2,3,4,5,9 and 12 in digital (that analog versions are on 17xx now).

Hopefully they will contine with the remaining <100 channels.

BTW on another note - TWC does not compress any of their HD.

xnappo
post #3129 of 6869
Hey Austinites,

Would anyone with DirecTV be willing to let me take a look sometime soon?

I recently ordered DirecTV, then promtply cancelled when I found out that they have no guarantee. This is really frustrating, because I'm not willing to fork out over $500 to just get started, and then be locked into a 2 year contract without an out.

They say after the installation, all sales are final. I'm not cool with that, because I have no clue what DirecTV feeds look like. I want to make sure that the quality is better than that of Time Warner's.

So, I work southwest and live northwest.

Would anyone in the southwest area or northwest area be willing to "demo" direcTV for me on an HDTV?

I'm really curious to see what the "all digital" channels look like and how they compare to the "digital" channels on TWC.

Thanks!

Chad
post #3130 of 6869
I recently put up a Channel Master 1318 Antenna. I live in Round Rock - about 15 miles from the transmitting towers. This is actually much more antenna than I should need, but I wanted to try the antenna in the attic. I was also worried about trees on my lot.

I originally put the antenna in the attic, but did not get a strong steady signal on all channels. I moved it out on the chimney, and the signal improved. The antenna is only about 3 feet above the chimney (I don't use the fireplace, BTW).

Unfortunately, I have to point the antenna directly at a huge Cottonwood tree. I'm still getting dropouts in the signal (i.e. CBS), which I believe is when the wind moves the leaves on the tree. It was aggravating to watch the Cowboys game on CBS on Saturday night because of all the dropouts.

I am thinking of two options that might help.

1) Buy a longer shaft and raise the antenna another 3-4 ft. Cost = ~$20.

2) Install a pre-amp ($60!) at the antenna.

3) Both 1 and 2

Cutting down the tree is not an option

Any thoughts?
post #3131 of 6869
I am also suffering frustration with OTA reception but in Cedar Creek, Bastrop county. I have a DB2 with a 20DB amplifier. The signal is steady - it doesn't break up or dropout - although it is not terribly strong and travels through miles of wild forest to get to me. I have posted some video clips here. I have been told elsewhere on this forum that this is "impulse noise" (whatever that means).

It is not coming from within the house. It happens with various antenna hook ups, even on a bowtie. And switching to another TV doesn't help either.

Is there any way to filter out this gunk? I have the FM trap on, and have tried Ham and appliance filters but nothing touches it.

This didn't used to happen - I've lived here about 17 years. It started maybe a year or two ago and is getting worse.

Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks.
post #3132 of 6869
I know this is not exactly the right thread but this is the closest I could find, does anyone know of an AVSForum thread or somewhere else on the net with information about Grande Networks based out of San Marcos TX? I'm looking for information similiar to what you all discuss here, channel lineup updates and things of that nature.
post #3133 of 6869
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Originally Posted by thephatp View Post

Hey Austinites,

They say after the installation, all sales are final. I'm not cool with that, because I have no clue what DirecTV feeds look like. I want to make sure that the quality is better than that of Time Warner's.

Chad

Chad, do you have TWC right now? The major networks are all digital now, my guess is that the whole system will be all digital in a couple of weeks, as other areas have done...

xnappo
post #3134 of 6869
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Originally Posted by thephatp View Post


Would anyone in the southwest area or northwest area be willing to "demo" direcTV for me on an HDTV?

I'm really curious to see what the "all digital" channels look like and how they compare to the "digital" channels on TWC.

Just IMO. I had Direct for years. Changed to Dish and haven't looked back. You can get more content as well with Dish taking most of the 'original' Voom all-HD channels. My HD Dual-Tuner DVR is sweet.

Just the speed of the scrolling guide on most Direct receivers makes me want to scratch my eyes out.
post #3135 of 6869
You might want to hold on a decision for a while if you can. D*'s supposed to start offering ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC local HD channels in September for Austin and their new HD DVR is just starting to hit the street. E* on the other hand has some legal issues going at the moment with Tivo winning a patent case against E* which could cause E* DVR's to have their DVR function turned off, only thing stopping that at the moment is a temporary injunction.

And while E* has the lead in the number of HD channels at the moment (you might want to see what some folks say about Voom channels, there is a perception of too many repeats, no new programming very often) with the launch of D10 and D11 in 2007 DirecTV will have the capacity for a ton of HD channels. D* also tends to come up with a plan and follows it. They laid out their HD plans a couple of years ago for capacity expansion and has been following that plan. Research E*'s plans, they've been all over the place. HD channels on 61.5, then they started to mirror at 148, they there was going to be SuperDish with HD at 105, nope change that to 129. Oh, we changed our minds again, now all HD will be at 110/119. Nope changed again, back to using 61.5 and 148, I've lost track on what their HD plans are now. So while E* might look good today you might be second guessing your decision a year from now.
post #3136 of 6869
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Chad, do you have TWC right now? The major networks are all digital now, my guess is that the whole system will be all digital in a couple of weeks, as other areas have done...

xnappo

Hey xnappo,

Yeah, I have TWC right now. Do you mean digital on channels 2,3,4,5? I think you mentioned that in a previous post. If they have, it still looks pretty bad to me. I just recently bought an antenna to pick the local Digital/HD channels, and the regular digital OTA channels (non-HD) are just lightyears better than TWC's.

I'm certainly not impressed with the channels on TWC, but I'm getting such a good rate right now, that I'm not sure if I want to switch.

You might have mentioned this in another post, but where are you located? And you have TWC? I just can't believe that the channels 2-5 are actually digital. If so, I'm certainly disappointed.
post #3137 of 6869
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Originally Posted by rad View Post

You might want to hold on a decision for a while if you can. D*'s supposed to start offering ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC local HD channels in September for Austin and their new HD DVR is just starting to hit the street. E* on the other hand has some legal issues going at the moment with Tivo winning a patent case against E* which could cause E* DVR's to have their DVR function turned off, only thing stopping that at the moment is a temporary injunction.

I realize I probably stray a bit off topic here. I've been homebound for a week after disc surgery and am beginning to lose my mind. So instead I expound upon locals, DISH and DTV though not necessarily in a cohesive manner.

It's good that DTV is adding Austin HD locals soon (though whether DBS providers should be forced to spend that much $$ to offer them is a debate for another forum) but with my DISH ViP622 allowing integration of locals (w/o guide info which I can live w/o) that wouldn't force me to consider DTV. Unfortunately this integration combined with the need to set manual timers to record locals is probably a bridge too far for the average subscriber so it will be a good selling point as DTV continues to add locals. The NFL package is also a big draw.

It's certainly true that many of DISH's HD channels seem to be there merely to make up the numbers and do seem to repeat their programming often. But even established channels like TNT do that (Ron Clark Story anyone?) And while DISH likes to tout its total number of HD channels I wonder if that is really a factor in many people's decisions. My guess is that people look for specific channels they want and pay for whatever else goes w/it in order to receive the channel. For me WorldSport is the killer HD offering so I'm willing to pay for other stuff which doesn't interest me terribly. I also stay w/DISH because they offer Italian, German and Spanish-language programming. Good for them for offering Greek, Chinese, etc., but makes no difference to me.

In fairness it must be pointed out that some customers are unhappy with the PQ of DTV's HD channels, referring to it as HD Lite. Of course unhappy people are more likely to post their opinions so evidence of this in online forums can be skewed toward the unhappy customers' POV. I don't know whether this issue has permeated the minds of average would-be DTV subscribers.

Both DBS systems have their merits certainly. The problem with Tivo v. DISH is a serious one, however, and even if the final outcome is favorable to DISH they are getting nothing but bad PR in the meantime which surely is having a deleterious effect on numbers of new subscribers. My belief (and hope, if there is any longer a difference) is that the courts will strongly encourage them to reach an agreement (I think DISH still has large cash reserves on hand) and it will eventually happen. It is similar to the RIM/Blackberry patent infringement case from the recent past. While RIM & DISH may both be in the wrong, the proposed punishment for each would effect so many people and give such a large advantage to DTV that I have a hard time believing it will be allowed to happen. It would effectively destroy DISH, much as RIM would've been crippled had they been forced to turn off Blackberries.
post #3138 of 6869
dah_sab, I agree with most of what you say. I would like to mention a couple of things.

- D*'s had the local HD channels guide information intergrated since their very first HD receiver has hit the street back in 2001, E* still hasn't gotten that right.

- D* was the first provider to offer what is called HD-Lite, reduced resolution of their HD channels. But looking at posts on other satellite sites, guys are reporting that E* has also started to downrez some of their HD channels. It all comes down to both providers having limited bandwidth available at the moment and trying to provide the channls that customers want. While E* has more bandwidth available now, D* should overtake them in the 2nd half of 2007 with the launch of D10 and D11. Now does that mean that D* will stop the HD-Lite crap, who know, we can only hope they do.

- All program providers repeat their programming, my point was that a number of folks have mentioned that once the newness of the V* channels have warn off that they rearly go back and watch them due to the limited programming available to them.
post #3139 of 6869
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Originally Posted by thephatp View Post

Hey Austinites,

Would anyone with DirecTV be willing to let me take a look sometime soon?

I recently ordered DirecTV, then promtply cancelled when I found out that they have no guarantee. This is really frustrating, because I'm not willing to fork out over $500 to just get started, and then be locked into a 2 year contract without an out.

They say after the installation, all sales are final. I'm not cool with that, because I have no clue what DirecTV feeds look like. I want to make sure that the quality is better than that of Time Warner's.

So, I work southwest and live northwest.

Would anyone in the southwest area or northwest area be willing to "demo" direcTV for me on an HDTV?

I'm really curious to see what the "all digital" channels look like and how they compare to the "digital" channels on TWC.

Thanks!

Chad

Bump just in case someone would be willing to help out. (Especially if you live in Avery Ranch!)
post #3140 of 6869
Real newbie quesstion. Just got SONY KDF-50E2000 and TWC SA3250HD box ( no DVR ).
Have component hooked up ( video 4 ) AND I have coax going from the Cable box into the cable in on the TV ( do I need that ? ).

When using comp. connection and viewing 4x3 the side bars are gray, when viewing 4 x 3 via coax the side bars are black. Can I make the side bars black in the comp. connection.

Dick
post #3141 of 6869
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Originally Posted by Dick View Post

Real newbie quesstion. Just got SONY KDF-50E2000 and TWC SA3250HD box ( no DVR ).
Have component hooked up ( video 4 ) AND I have coax going from the Cable box into the cable in on the TV ( do I need that ? ).
When using comp. connection and viewing 4x3 the side bars are gray, when viewing 4 x 3 via coax the side bars are black. Can I make the side bars black in the comp. connection. Dick

You don't need the coax connection, just the component into Video 4 should do. I think you would use that coax connection if you were coming right out of the wall and using your TV set to tune different channels.

Have your checked your settings for the cable box to see if it gives you choices for the color of the sidebars?
post #3142 of 6869
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Originally Posted by gdmedia View Post

You don't need the coax connection, just the component into Video 4 should do. I think you would use that coax connection if you were coming right out of the wall and using your TV set to tune different channels.

Have your checked your settings for the cable box to see if it gives you choices for the color of the sidebars?

gmedia,
Thanks, I *thought* I needed the coax for SETUP so that the TV would get all the channels, but now that the wife has seen the black bars and likes them so much better than the grey bars, I am stuck.

I did give the settings a looksee, for this, but I will take another look tonight.
post #3143 of 6869
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Originally Posted by rad View Post

- D* was the first provider to offer what is called HD-Lite, reduced resolution of their HD channels. But looking at posts on other satellite sites, guys are reporting that E* has also started to downrez some of their HD channels. It all comes down to both providers having limited bandwidth available at the moment and trying to provide the channls that customers want. While E* has more bandwidth available now, D* should overtake them in the 2nd half of 2007 with the launch of D10 and D11. Now does that mean that D* will stop the HD-Lite crap, who know, we can only hope they do.

Woah, WOAH... Did you say DirecTV downrez's their HD feeds? Does this mean that they will NOT look as good at TWC?? I HATE TWC, and their digital channels are CRAP, but their HD channels are not. What is the difference in the PQ of the HD channels between DTV and TWC??
post #3144 of 6869
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Originally Posted by gdmedia View Post

You don't need the coax connection, just the component into Video 4 should do. I think you would use that coax connection if you were coming right out of the wall and using your TV set to tune different channels.

Have your checked your settings for the cable box to see if it gives you choices for the color of the sidebars?

If it's anything like the 8300HD (DVR), then you should be able to control the color of the bars. If plasma, you really need to use the grey bars, at least for the first couple hundred hours.

Also, if the 3250HD (or whatever the number is, can't remember, sorry) is like the 8300HD, it should also have the the following modes:

Normal
Stretch
Zoom1
Zoom2

If you are watching HD content, set it to "Stretch", which will fill up the screen. (Push the # key to change between these settings).
post #3145 of 6869
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Originally Posted by thephatp View Post

Woah, WOAH... Did you say DirecTV downrez's their HD feeds? Does this mean that they will NOT look as good at TWC?? I HATE TWC, and their digital channels are CRAP, but their HD channels are not. What is the difference in the PQ of the HD channels between DTV and TWC??

Yep, look in the HD Programming forum for all the comments about HD-Lite. Dish has also now started to expand their usage of downrezed HD channels which has E* customers upset.
post #3146 of 6869
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Originally Posted by thephatp View Post

Woah, WOAH... Did you say DirecTV downrez's their HD feeds? Does this mean that they will NOT look as good at TWC?? I HATE TWC, and their digital channels are CRAP, but their HD channels are not. What is the difference in the PQ of the HD channels between DTV and TWC??

Familiarize yourself with MPEG4.. that's what most HD channels via satellite are compressed with. It still looks way better than SD, but it's far from OTA quality.

I can't speak to whether TWC uses no compression, MPEG2, or MPEG4 for their HD channels.. though someone recently claimed "no compression".. part of me is doubting that statement, though, or I wouldn't hear people complaining that TWC local networks look crappier than OTA local networks.
post #3147 of 6869
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Originally Posted by kyoo View Post

Familiarize yourself with MPEG4.. that's what most HD channels via satellite are compressed with. It still looks way better than SD, but it's far from OTA quality.

I can't speak to whether TWC uses no compression, MPEG2, or MPEG4 for their HD channels.. though someone recently claimed "no compression".. part of me is doubting that statement, though, or I wouldn't hear people complaining that TWC local networks look crappier than OTA local networks.

I'll be the first to admit that TWC local networks are MUCH WORSE than OTA locals. However, I do have to say that their other HD channels (namely, ESPN, TNT, DiscoveryHD, and INHD) all look great. Honestly, I'd be hard to believe I can find much better.

But one big problem I have with this is that I can't get OTA with my plasma because I have the commerical version (Panny 8UK), and the 8300 doesn't have Off-Air Antenna input.

So, without buying an external ATSC tuner, I'm stuck.

Tell me this, if you know...I've heard that all the other channels on DTV are much better in PQ because they are pure, uncompressed digital, whereas TWC's digital pictures are so crappy that they often look like analog. Is this true of DTV? Do their normal digital channels look much, much better?

Since I still watch most of my programming in SD right now (except sports), I may be able to live with a slight downgrade in HD PQ if that means all my other channels are better. Not to mention the fact that I could then use an antenna to pick up the HD locals because the DTV box has ATSC tuner for antenna.
post #3148 of 6869
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Originally Posted by kyoo View Post

Familiarize yourself with MPEG4.. that's what most HD channels via satellite are compressed with. It still looks way better than SD, but it's far from OTA quality.

D* is using MPEG4 only for their new local into local HD channels. Their current national HD channels are using MPEG2 (and it's not truly that it's more like MPEG 1.5).
post #3149 of 6869
Good evening all, I have a general OTA question for you... my wife and I just bought a Mits 52628 and we've been catching some of the OTA stuff lately, we were a bit disappointed tonight with WB however. It listed Gilmore Girls at 7pm and 8pm, and the analog channel 54 had Gimore Girls, but 54-1 had an ABC feed. We have dish network, and with dish SD local channels (waiting on our 622 box) we also got Gilmore Girls, but with the 622 we'll be getting HD with an OTA antenna... it will be rather disappointing to try to record WB and get ABC for whatever reason. Has anyone else run into this before? Thanks!
post #3150 of 6869
I'm about to move down to Austin and I'm wondering what is the best cable/sat service in the area. Also, what options do I have for internet?
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