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post #211 of 7201
I'm not clear what this smart skip is. What is a scene? Is it the same as a frame? If so that wouldn't skip very far ahead. The drag and play seems like the fast forward on a VCR which is no where near as nice as 30 second skip is (if you have a Tivo or Replay you will know what I mean). Anyways if you have this unit maybe you can explain more of how it works, or if not someone that does have one hopefully can chime in. What I'm really hoping is that the 3410A can somehow be setup just like Tivo/Replay and do a 30 second skip.

John

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Originally posted by jcg
Anyone know how the skip works on this unit. I have a Replay that I use for watching most cable shows and it has a 30 second skip button which is perfect for quickly skipping through commercials as was wondering if this is the same way the 3410 works. Thanks.

John
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The manual indicates it is a smart skip function. Here is a quote from the manual.

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During playback, use SKIP (+/?) to skip to the next/previous scene.
Smart Skip analyzes the video scenes and cues playback to the next scene.
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Drag & Play is more what you are looking for.

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Use drag & play to skip some fixed time intervals, drag & play will help.
Current playback position keeps moving while arrow is pressed. Playback
starts at the position when arrow is released.
During Playback/Timeshift, press arrow and release at the starting point
of the section you want to watch.
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post #212 of 7201
The "smart skip" is a little too smart. For example, if there is a conversation between two people and each person has a different background... then it will toggle between them. From my experience, if I wanted to scan past a commercial, I just x5 or x20 past it.
post #213 of 7201
Is the x5 and x20 seperate buttons on the remote? Or is it one button that keeps increasing the FF speed the more you hit it?

I've had my replay for years now so I've gotten so used to the 30 second skip I'm not sure how I would like this. Most commercial blocks tend to be 3 or 4 minutes, so it's a quick 6 hits of the skip button (or 8) which takes 2-3 seconds and your show is back on. At x20 my calculations shows it takes 9-12 seconds to skip the 3-4 minute commercial blocks (plus it seems like more concentration watching for when the commercials end). This sound about right based on your observations?

I wonder if LG has any plans to add the 30 sec skip feature as it wouldn't be hard to do. Do any LG reps monitor this forum like some other vendors do on other threads?

John

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Originally posted by KornerKlub
The "smart skip" is a little too smart. For example, if there is a conversation between two people and each person has a different background... then it will toggle between them. From my experience, if I wanted to scan past a commercial, I just x5 or x20 past it.
post #214 of 7201
SmartSkip works OK on commercials, but as KornerKlub says it is either too smart or too dumb to be a great thing. It usually stops once or twice in each commercial and everyonce in a while extends past the end of the last commercial. I've been using the FF button more than the Skip. I never had a Tivo/Replay so find that it is easy to get used to.
post #215 of 7201
umr-
Did you try putting the original HD in a computer and see if you could read it?
post #216 of 7201
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Originally posted by Hyrax
umr-
Did you try putting the original HD in a computer and see if you could read it?

I don't plan on it.
post #217 of 7201
umr-
The 3410A's HDD probably wouldn't be readable by a PC, but I was just curious if one could use a computer to read the files. I plan on putting in a 300 GB drive once I'm sure the 3410A is working. When I do put in a substitute drive, I'll see if the old HDD can be read by a PC.
However, I am sure that a DVHS deck would be a lot easier.
post #218 of 7201
Hi All,
Does anyone know if there is an option on the 3410 TV guide to set the left side of the listing for the channel numbers instead of the networks? It seems to only show the channel when you hi-light it.
Thanks
Al
post #219 of 7201
I'm getting the channels on the left side but no program info. It is 3:10 AM in the Washington DC area.
post #220 of 7201
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Originally posted by MrHifi
I'm getting the channels on the left side but no program info. It is 3:10 AM in the Washington DC area.

Turn your box off and go to bed! The unit must be powered off to receive the guide download.
post #221 of 7201
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Originally posted by MrHifi
I'm getting the channels on the left side but no program info. It is 3:10 AM in the Washington DC area.

Art, I'm also in the DC area, and It does work, channels & program info. I get the OTA info for the local broadcast HD channels (including the Baltimore channels I can't receive) (and unfortunatley not including the OTA SD channels), and also the cable info for my cable company's channels (cox). The magic doesn't happen until the 3410 is left off overnight.
post #222 of 7201
Does anyone know what time the guide download occurs and from what source?
post #223 of 7201
Yesterday, I changed the cable source on mine from cable no box to cable with box, and the update took place sometime between 9:00 pm and 5:15 am this morning. I had left the 3410 turned off and the cable box on. Of course it could have received the info OTA, since I had previously tried it while telling it that I didn't have cable, and only with the antenna hooked up. It found the local OTA channels and updated the info.

However, once it went to the Cable box mode, the local OTA SD channels only show up via the cable box source, and not via the antenna source, which I prefer. The OTA HD channels do still show up way down at the bottom of the list after all of the cable channels. I'll move them up to the top of the list next. Then I need to figure out how to re-map the indicated local OTA SD channels that I want from the Cable box source to the OTA antenna source. Not sure how to do that.
post #224 of 7201
I'm trying to send the signal to a SD TV via the S-Video connection while also using the RGB out to send the HD signal to my HDTV. Supposedly the signal is down converted to 480i when using the S-Video out, but I'm not seeing anything.

Has anybody tried this and is there more involved than just plugging in the cables? I was told by the sales person that the 3410A always sends a signal our the S-Video connection and I am hoping that is true.
post #225 of 7201
I'm new to the HD game and wonder if someone can explain the sub channels, and how they work on the 3410A. In particular...

When I scanned my digital cable stations I got about 50 digital music subchannels (83-1 to 83-51) and 1 HD channel (113-3). How would I make it so that when I Page up/down I only have to hit 1 or two of the digital music channels. And why do I have a 113-3, but no 113-1 or 113-2?

Thanks
post #226 of 7201
How to remap channels?

In the notes on page 30 of the Manual it states:
If the HD DVR is connected with Cable Box, Analog or AV1 is displayed as "Cable box".
[If] Cable Box is connected using "A/V IN 1" jacks on the HD DVR, you can not select Analog as Input source (is this both for analog cable and analog OTA?)

On page 20 in the hookup where it discusses the use of a splitter for the cable signals, it implies connecting the cable both to the cable box and to the cable input of the 3410 - but what use is this if you can't select the cable analog input if using a cable box? I don't get any digital unscrambled off my Cox cable.

This seems to be a limitation that will likely prevent me from remapping my Guide so that Local SD channels to be received off my antenna rather than off Cable. While getting them off the Cable box works, tuning is much slower and the Video quality is generally not as good as off the antenna, or as convient as using the analog cable signal and bypassing the damn box.

Is there a way around this?
post #227 of 7201
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Originally posted by Hyrax
I'm trying to send the signal to a SD TV via the S-Video connection while also using the RGB out to send the HD signal to my HDTV. Supposedly the signal is down converted to 480i when using the S-Video out, but I'm not seeing anything.

Has anybody tried this and is there more involved than just plugging in the cables? I was told by the sales person that the 3410A always sends a signal our the S-Video connection and I am hoping that is true.

I think I tried this, but it appears that only one output can be active. I'll check again tonight.

The S-Video can output only 480i.
post #228 of 7201
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Originally posted by BenSanford
Art, I'm also in the DC area, and It does work, channels & program info. I get the OTA info for the local broadcast channels (including the Baltimore channels I can't receive), and also the cable info for my cable company's channels (cox). The magic doesn't happen until the 3410 is left off overnight.

So far, I'm getting only partial Guide info. As of last night, I had info for Sun, Mon, Tues, and partial for next Sat, Sun, but "no listing" for this Wed, Thu, Fri.

And I recorded a program yesterday that's set for "weekly". It recorded OK, but now the entry in the schedule for the same program in future weeks has question marks all over it like it can't find next week's episode (which DOES appear in the Guide).

Weird.

Tonight I'll see if "the magic" happened for me yet.
post #229 of 7201
My TV Guide doesn't work at all (Los Angeles). I get the "download failed" and that's it. Been that way since Thursday. O'well, thank God I can record via other means...
post #230 of 7201
PhillyC,
There is an option for all of the Display formats except S-Video out, so it appears to me that there is no way to select it as an option. I sure hope it is always on.

Thanks
post #231 of 7201
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Originally posted by Hyrax
PhillyC,
There is an option for all of the Display formats except S-Video out, so it appears to me that there is no way to select it as an option. I sure hope it is always on.

Thanks

I guess I'm assuming that setting output to "video" would activate both composite and S-Video. Going to any other output (like RGB) would deactivate both composite and S-Video.

My setup has from the 3410A: 1) component > TV, 2) S-Video > VCR > TV. The VCR is a Mits D-VHS which passes through the S-Video when off. To switch to S-Video, I have a macro on my remote that sets the TV S-Video input, the receiver audio, and the 3410A "video" output . This gives me the S-Video picture. That much I remember for sure.

There is some confusion in my mind because my macro uses discrete codes form LG.

This evening I will check again to see if the S-Video is live while the STB is set to component.

Until then, this is a choice between what the salesman told you and my (failing) memory. I have a feeling we can't depend on the salesman.
post #232 of 7201
Phil-
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I have a feeling we can't depend on the salesman

Would that we could.

I am going to be a bit upset if it doesn't. It is not the end of the world, but I was hoping I could do things like tape shows via S-Video while watching them.

Can you tell me where/how you got the codes for switching output modes. Could be useful.

Thanks,
Tim
post #233 of 7201
< I was told by the sales person that the 3410A always sends a signal our the S-Video connection and I am hoping that is true.>

No simultaneous S and RGB, I tried!!!!! What a bummer. Also, most boxes today allow you to zoom with a few simple settings so that 4x3 material on the 16x9 feed can be set to fill the screen. No cigar here. This unit is OK but as the days pass without a guide and the continuous need for stumbling accross features that are either so hidden or missing, I am getting dismayed. Add that to the fact that my unit had been opened by the person who sold it to me, a member of this forum, and you begin to see a pretty disappointed consumer. If your reading this, yeah I caught you and I'm reporting it to LG Electronics.

There is no record time setting like every VCR I've owned since 1985. I still have not recorded because the guide wont fill up. Too much automation and not enough ergonomics is my verdict at this point in time, 5 days into it.
post #234 of 7201
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Originally posted by MrHifi
[B... Add that to the fact that my unit had been opened by the person who sold it to me, a member of this forum, and you begin to see a pretty disappointed consumer. ... [/b]

How do you know this to be true? Could it not have been the LG upgrade that took place in Texas?
post #235 of 7201
Art -
I maybe mistaken, but I believe that if you press Guide+ button, it will allow you to enter the record time, date, and station fairly easily. I've had no problem getting the guide to download and it seems fairly useful, but I actually find using the Guide+ easier. TV screens just do not hold enough information and it is too time consuming sitting in front of the TV looking for stuff.

Your 'too much automation' comment may be correct - I get that feeling as well. However, I put up an antenna today and I'm picking up stations from Maine and New Hampshire that I didn't even know existed. This tuner is excellent.

I've had the box for 5 days and am very happy with it - except for the fact that it doesn't do both S-Video and RGB at the same time.
post #236 of 7201
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Originally posted by Hyrax
Phil-


Would that we could.

I am going to be a bit upset if it doesn't. It is not the end of the world, but I was hoping I could do things like tape shows via S-Video while watching them.

Can you tell me where/how you got the codes for switching output modes. Could be useful.

Thanks,
Tim

No, just tested again. No simultaneous output.

Look here for discrete codes under LG:

http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...evices&br=&fc=

There are discrete codes for power, output, and resolution in .ccf form.
post #237 of 7201
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Originally posted by MrHifi
< I was told by the sales person that the 3410A always sends a signal our the S-Video connection and I am hoping that is true.>

No simultaneous S and RGB, I tried!!!!! What a bummer. Also, most boxes today allow you to zoom with a few simple settings so that 4x3 material on the 16x9 feed can be set to fill the screen. No cigar here. This unit is OK but as the days pass without a guide and the continuous need for stumbling accross features that are either so hidden or missing, I am getting dismayed. Add that to the fact that my unit had been opened by the person who sold it to me, a member of this forum, and you begin to see a pretty disappointed consumer. If your reading this, yeah I caught you and I'm reporting it to LG Electronics.

There is no record time setting like every VCR I've owned since 1985. I still have not recorded because the guide wont fill up. Too much automation and not enough ergonomics is my verdict at this point in time, 5 days into it.

Simultaneous output is mainly to allow for recording, while viewing HDTV. Well, this unit is is a recorder, so I would assume that is while that is not a feature.

A simple press of the "Ratio" button will allow aspect ratio control as long as you are in a set output resolution (180i, 720p. 480p, 480i).

You CAN manually set up recording as I described previously (press the VCR Plus button).

PM me your setup and I'll see what is wrong causing you not to receive guide downloads. I have had a lot of experience with this type of guide.
post #238 of 7201
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Originally posted by PhillyC
So far, I'm getting only partial Guide info. As of last night, I had info for Sun, Mon, Tues, and partial for next Sat, Sun, but "no listing" for this Wed, Thu, Fri.

And I recorded a program yesterday that's set for "weekly". It recorded OK, but now the entry in the schedule for the same program in future weeks has question marks all over it like it can't find next week's episode (which DOES appear in the Guide).

Weird.

Tonight I'll see if "the magic" happened for me yet.

PhillyC

The download is limited in size. That is why you only got four days. It basically downloads today (day 1), tomorrow (day 2), the next day (day3) and then Day8. Then is then enough time left it will pick up day 4-7. If not, the next day it will in effect get days 4 and 8, as the previous day 8 became day 7, so on and so forth. Within three days, it will populate the entire 8 days and then maintain them. This sometimes is seen in large markets, such as Chicago, where the download deal with so much data.

Just keep in mind that each download also includes the last day of guide data, so once it is completed, it will stay complete.
post #239 of 7201
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Originally posted by KornerKlub
PhillyC

The download is limited in size. That is why you only got four days. It basically downloads today (day 1), tomorrow (day 2), the next day (day3) and then Day8. Then is then enough time left it will pick up day 4-7. If not, the next day it will in effect get days 4 and 8, as the previous day 8 became day 7, so on and so forth. Within three days, it will populate the entire 8 days and then maintain them. This sometimes is seen in large markets, such as Chicago, where the download deal with so much data.

Just keep in mind that each download also includes the last day of guide data, so once it is completed, it will stay complete.

Thanks, KornerKlub. This appears to be exactly what is happening. Today another day of info in the middle was filled in along with the "new" last day on the end. The manual should explain this instead of saying, "Guide listings will normally be available in 24 hours", which causes needless frustration with the user.

OTOH, although I'm in a large market, I'm temporarily set up only for OTA. It seems like it shouldn't take so long to download a few OTA channels.
post #240 of 7201
Anyone tried this with a CRT projector? How's the quality of the RGB?
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