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post #31 of 7201
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Are there any 1-2 Terabyte IDE hard drives available for under $3000?

I didn't even know there were single 1-2TB IDE HDDs available period. Are you aware of any at any price point?

Thanks.

It sounds like you can record straight to D-VHS without recording to the HDD when the 1394 Control Panel is open. This is straight from the manual;

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You can record the current program to D-VHS.

Here's a few more highlights from the manual regarding D-VHS;

You can record instantly to the DVHS
You can archive contents on the HDD to the DVHS using the Program List,
You can move contents on the DVHS to HDD.
The HD DVR provides copy protection using DTCP.

Troy
post #32 of 7201
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Originally posted by scan1man
well, it was the cable. I replaced it and archiving works great!

You can control the 1394 device with the 3410a remote.

All output of the 3410a is controlled at the time of setup using hard buttons on the front of the unit. There is no way from the remote to vary the output settings.

I like this box more all the time!

Many thanks. This looks to be the one for me! OTA and QAM, built in 120gig HD and the ability to play D-Theater via DVI and record to DVHS. It does not get much better than this.

January can not come soon enough.

Chris
post #33 of 7201
scan1man,

Is there any confusion when both OTA and cable sources are connected? Can you switch easily between the two and record easily from either source using the Guide?

From a different perspective, if I connect ONLY an OTA source, does the 3410A still get Guide information?

Thanks for your valuable early reports. This unit looks like "The One".
post #34 of 7201
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by PhillyC
scan1man,

Is there any confusion when both OTA and cable sources are connected? Can you switch easily between the two and record easily from either source using the Guide?

From a different perspective, if I connect ONLY an OTA source, does the 3410A still get Guide information?

Thanks for your valuable early reports. This unit looks like "The One".

There is no problem either way. It lists off air and cable shows in the same guide.

Yes, the guide works fine with off the air as the only source. Seems like a miracle, huh?
post #35 of 7201
Troy,

Below is what I had seen and misunderstood as an IDE drive, it can be loaded with IDE drives up to 2 T, but the host connection is SCSI so I guess it wouldn't be compatable. Too bad, that would give something like 200 hours of HD recording time ,a boatload of SD, and a s---load of analog recording. The maximum size IDE hard drives I could find were 250GB at about $1/GB.

Arena Premium 8200 12 Bay
SCSI-IDE Rackmount RAID
This 12 bay 4U rackmount SCSI-IDE RAID will provide two terabytes or more of storage at RAID5 when configured with 200Gb or greater drives. Features include three 300 watt redundant power supplies, Dual Ultra160 LVD SCSI host interface, and 64 bit i80303 controller. On-line expansion feature allows the user to add drives to an existing array on the fly. Standard with 128Mb, upgradable to 512Mb cache. RAID 0,1,0+1,3, 5, or JBOD. All drives, cooling fans and power supplies are hot swappable. Supports up to four RAID sets with multiple LUN masking. Comes with an easy to use monitoring software which allows real time event display and notification in event of array status change. 19" rack mountable. 81-3045R
$4,695.
post #36 of 7201
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by jlanzy
Troy,

Below is what I had seen and misunderstood as an IDE drive, it can be loaded with IDE drives up to 2 T, but the host connection is SCSI so I guess it wouldn't be compatable. Too bad, that would give something like 200 hours of HD recording time ,a boatload of SD, and a s---load of analog recording. The maximum size IDE hard drives I could find were 250GB at about $1/GB.

Arena Premium 8200 12 Bay
SCSI-IDE Rackmount RAID
This 12 bay 4U rackmount SCSI-IDE RAID will provide two terabytes or more of storage at RAID5 when configured with 200Gb or greater drives. Features include three 300 watt redundant power supplies, Dual Ultra160 LVD SCSI host interface, and 64 bit i80303 controller. On-line expansion feature allows the user to add drives to an existing array on the fly. Standard with 128Mb, upgradable to 512Mb cache. RAID 0,1,0+1,3, 5, or JBOD. All drives, cooling fans and power supplies are hot swappable. Supports up to four RAID sets with multiple LUN masking. Comes with an easy to use monitoring software which allows real time event display and notification in event of array status change. 19" rack mountable. 81-3045R
$4,695.

Yeah, an external ATA to ATA array controller would be marvelous. Haven't seen one yet. Biggest thing I've seen is:

http://www.partspc.com/store/product4369.html

And these drives are not designed for the kind of access we need for HD PVRs.

My recommendation is to use 250 GB drives for now.
post #37 of 7201
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And these drives are not designed for the kind of access we need for HD PVRs.

Was that in reference to the 300Gb drive you linked to? Why would you think that wouldn't be sufficient for HD PVRs?

It's specs aren't that far off the the 120Gb drive that come in the unit. 9.4 seek time vs. 12 and they both are 7200rpm models.

I thought I remembered reading that one of the HD PVRs had a 5400rpm drive in it?! I'll have to research to find out.

Troy
post #38 of 7201
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Originally posted by Troy LaMont
Was that in reference to the 300Gb drive you linked to? Why would you think that wouldn't be sufficient for HD PVRs?

It's specs aren't that far off the the 120Gb drive that come in the unit. 9.4 seek time vs. 12 and they both are 7200rpm models.

I thought I remembered reading that one of the HD PVRs had a 5400rpm drive in it?! I'll have to research to find out.

Troy

Where did you get information that the HDD in the unit was a 7200rpm? I heard that it was a bit slower.
post #39 of 7201
Korner,

I actually had just finished reading the HDR230 thread and looking at pics from one of the users upgrades. He had this drive installed as an upgrade which is 7200rpm, sorry for the mixup.

The LST-3410a has a Seagate ST3120025ACE 120Gb drive in it and I remember from a previous post by JFerg (the Zenith tech) that this drive was the first Consumer Electronics drive (note the CE in the model name).

On Seagate's website, the ST3120025A is listed but not the CE. The spec sheet for it doesn't state what the rotational speed is but it's 5400rpm according to JFerg. There was an at length discussion about it earlier this year. I'm not sure which thread it was in, maybe you could do a search.

Troy
post #40 of 7201
I was pretty sure he said it was like 6500rpm or something in that range, not a standard PC HD speed.
post #41 of 7201
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I was pretty sure he said it was like 6500rpm or something in that range, not a standard PC HD speed.

I thought it was 5400. Scan1man can you verify for us?

It's too bad JFerg deleted all his previous posts with regard to this unit.

Troy
post #42 of 7201
I remember as 6000.
post #43 of 7201
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Troy LaMont
I thought it was 5400. Scan1man can you verify for us?

It's too bad JFerg deleted all his previous posts with regard to this unit.

Troy

The HDD is a Seagate ST3120025ACE, which I believe is a 5400RPM Drive.
post #44 of 7201
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Troy LaMont
Was that in reference to the 300Gb drive you linked to? Why would you think that wouldn't be sufficient for HD PVRs?

It's specs aren't that far off the the 120Gb drive that come in the unit. 9.4 seek time vs. 12 and they both are 7200rpm models.

I thought I remembered reading that one of the HD PVRs had a 5400rpm drive in it?! I'll have to research to find out.

Troy

The Mfgr. of the drive said it was designed for low volume read / write activity. I have never seen a drive mfgr. caveat their products like that before. That is why I was wary using it in a HD PVR. Maybe I'm wrong here.
post #45 of 7201
scan1man,

Does the 3410A come with a DVI cable? I ask because the brochure says it does, but the manual says it comes with component cables, but does not mention a DVI cable.

I'd like to know in case I need to buy A DVI cable now so I'm ready for the DVR...
post #46 of 7201
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by PhillyC
scan1man,

Does the 3410A come with a DVI cable? I ask because the brochure says it does, but the manual says it comes with component cables, but does not mention a DVI cable.

I'd like to know in case I need to buy A DVI cable now so I'm ready for the DVR...

Mine included a DVI cable.
post #47 of 7201
Few days left til January...is this thing coming or what?
post #48 of 7201
I'm already trying to find which 250GB hard drive can replace the one that comes stock, I hope there aren't any delays in releasing this unit.
joe
post #49 of 7201
Scan,

Can you offer any additional updates since your original post?

Thanks.

Troy
post #50 of 7201
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Troy LaMont
Scan,

Can you offer any additional updates since your original post?

Thanks.

Troy

No, other than I am thankful that I have not had to return the unit.
post #51 of 7201
I was at CES yesterday, examined the unit extensively. I talked to the LG Rep who claimed that these are already shipping, and Best Buy is carrying them. I took that, as you should, with a grain of salt. Anyone find these for sale anywhere?
post #52 of 7201
Best Buy? I doubt it.
post #53 of 7201
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Originally posted by shfawaz
I was at CES yesterday, examined the unit extensively. I talked to the LG Rep who claimed that these are already shipping, and Best Buy is carrying them. I took that, as you should, with a grain of salt. Anyone find these for sale anywhere?

"already shipping" means, Leaving Korea. They will still need to cross the Pacific, pass US Customs, pass Quality Control, then ship to dealers.
post #54 of 7201
According to my LG/Zenith rep. they have just arrived in the US and are on target to be shipped from dealers (those dealers who placed orders) on 1/23/04.
post #55 of 7201
Quote:
Originally posted by shfawaz
I was at CES yesterday, examined the unit extensively. I talked to the LG Rep who claimed that these are already shipping, and Best Buy is carrying them. I took that, as you should, with a grain of salt. Anyone find these for sale anywhere?

That's funny. I talked to 2 LG reps at CES. One said that I could get them late January/Early February. The other said sometime in the 1st quarter (i.e. maybe as late as March).
post #56 of 7201
I've been reviewing some hard disk drives in hopes of replacing the one in the 3410a (when it is finally released). Any comments on this one?

maxstore.com/product.asp?sku=2376581

I've seen it as low as $270.

(sorry, had to delete the http and www since my re-registered ID cannot yet post URLs)
post #57 of 7201
scan1man,

You must be enjoying your 3410A with no complaints, since we haven't heard from you lately.

Perhaps you could answer another question on which the PDF manual is not clear. Can you MANUALLY set the 3410A for timer recording?

Half my OTA's have incorrect PSIP time data, and my tiny oddball cableco's channel lineup may not work properly with the Guide functions. I actually wouldn't mind defeating the Guide and using the DVR like a VCR, if necessary and if possible.
post #58 of 7201
Yes you can. All you do is press the VCR Plus+ button on the remote. From there you can either enter a Plus code or manually set a timer recording.
post #59 of 7201
Thanks, KornerKlub. That's good, since mine is on order.
post #60 of 7201
The timer question brought up another question that hopefully Scanman or someone else with the unit can answer...Can the current time be set manually? In other words is there a way to keep a station from updating the time when you tune in that station?

Tonight our local ABC changed their time to Jan 3rd (which is 15 days ago). So, the Samsung 165 dutifully set its time to Jan 3rd and didn't start any timers tonight. I really hope the LG has a method to prevent this.
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