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post #61 of 121
APG is very different. Of course having does not preclude setting the timer manually if less confidence with the guide (e.g., I set the latest Bond on Showtime via guide to record and it just.... didn't :( ) I would say accuracy on APG is 95%+ but I may be a special case being in a top 10 market. at this point I would be happy if they went half way and mirrored the LIL guide info on top of the equivalent hobbs

Interested in what you get for component.
post #62 of 121
Quote:
Originally posted by Don Landis
Tim- Also on DirecTV. During their Free 5 month trial I got the D* locals here and the guide info was often wrong. I'd say about 30-40% of the time except for Network prime time. If it wasn't wrong it would say "Local Programming" or "INFO Not Available" So if that is so great, how is it better than the 921 is now.

I have no issues with having to deal with the 921 OTA recording. It is just the same as I would have done with DVHS timer recordings except the 921 has more features and options. Entering the start and stop time is the same. Given the choice, Time shift recording is better with the 921. Of course with sat recording it is like greased lightning. I pray someday soon they will get OTA working the same but without accurate guide info it is unlikely. Currently, I look up the network schedule in HDTV Magazine, or local paper for local stations programming and then set the timer. It has worked fine all week. I'm time shifting all my desired local programming because I love the 30 second skip ahead!

PS: glad some are getting the component fixed. I ordered a DVI-A to DB15 cable today to test this problem on RGB. Later tonight I may test the component to see if I have the problem. I don't know of anyone who has tried the RGB out yet.
But Don, your 921 is already receiving network guide information - Dish Network just doesn't show it to you. This would be an easy fix, it may not be 100% but neither is TV Guide or the newspaper! Other than plain stupidity what could be their reason for not moving the already supplied guide to the correct OTA channels?
post #63 of 121
Yes, Mike, in most cases that would be preferable to what we have now. I don't know what they plan to do after they fix the major issues with the OTA local or (OFF AIR) channels. My daughter corrected me this morning calling it OTA channels. She corrected me saying it says "OFF AIR" :)

The big problem I have with your idea of better if they fix the guide with your APG or some data that isn't accurate, I then select a program in the guide and it records something else. Not good, I have no way of knowing if the program in the guide is what will fire or if it will record that time slot. Even My Dad's TIVO pulls this sometimes but rarely as it's guide gets updated nightly. He has set some programs to record and says some other show gets recorded in that time slot. All I want is for the FCC to regulate PSIP on digital channels. This will insure that each station will have to get with the program and do it right! Then all Dish has to do is allow the PSIP info to fill out the guide on the receivers for their OFF AIR channels. Trusting each station to do it on the honor system is not working!

Tim, I think top ten market DMA has a lot to do with your station's professionalism! Although that does not hold true for Cable quality unfortunately.

The Component test went well. I have a DVI-A to DB15 adapter cable dongle on the way to test the RGB out too. DVI is the clear winner on PQ and there is no doubt! I did a blind test yesterday and scored 100% correct as to which I was watching component or DVI. (Both are active at the same time) I won't be able to do a blind test myself with the RGB because it will require a cable swap rather than a remote switch on input.

I got the simple work around on the blue border issue. If it shows up, I just toggle the guide on and cancel and it's gone! easy enough. I think I'm the only one to see this, though.
post #64 of 121
I subscribe for the local channels here in Central Florida. The Guide for the them (ch 8000ish) is pretty good and I wonder why can't Dish replicate the same guide on the digital locals since the programming is almost identical. My CBS,NBC,FOX,ABC have the same programming on digital and analog 99% of the time (I only remember the winter Olympics on NBC as one exception). My wife works for one of the local channels here and at least this station is sending guide info on it's digital ch.
I agree we can survive with this using the good old VHS programming technology but please don't tell me "it's not Dish fault".


Sergio
post #65 of 121
It is much easier to fix blame on the innocent when convenient as opposed to the large numbers of independent entities, local stations, who should be held to a standard. Sergio- While several people have suggested that approach, and I don't believe it would be impossible, a minimal amount of PSIP info must be sent to synchronize it in the receiver's software unless you did it manually (another possibility) during setup. The big issue I maintain with yours and others' approach is that I disagree "it is near perfect anyway." I would agree that it is near perfect for the programs YOU want to watch and time shift. I know for a fact it would never work for most of the broadcast day where every station time shifts daytime and early morning network feeds to different times based on "paid programming accounts" and other local premption issues. There is no way possible for our 7PM local Jack DelRio show ( Jaguars head coach's weekly talk and call in show) to appear in the National CBS guide lineup unless the local CBS affiliate sends in the information. Say that would be one show I would time shift weekly. Now I must set up a timer manually. If your approach were built into the 921/721 etc. then I still would need to set the timer manually. Only the prime time 8PM to 10 PM and soap time 1PM to 4PM? could be counted on most but not all the time. I would not want to spin wheels of programmer's time and budget to fix an inconvenience issue for 5/24's of the broadcast day. That's not even 25%! I prefer to solve the problem at the root cause and if the FCC does regulate this, your 921 will automatically work for guide selection record because it must be so. The tool is there, stations are not using it because they don't have to! Our CBS and FOX affiliates have the largest of all city station's budgets and they only send out PSIP, clock and call letters. They don't have the staff assigned to program the guide info which is still a people function because it is not required. NBC and ABC do nothing, NADA, all I get on them is digital channel that I entered during the manual scan. The station engineer said he doesn't have to do it so they won't. He was the one who told me years ago that they would only do this if the FCC threatened them and then they would do it kicking and screaming, a reference to HDTV but today they are doing HDTV. I suppose if CBS does it then they will follow but a better scenario is for the FCC to simply regulate it. Done, end of story. problem solved, save for human errors which would then be entered into station logs as required by other FCC regulations.
post #66 of 121
Quote:
Originally posted by Don Landis

Tim, I think top ten market DMA has a lot to do with your station's professionalism! Although that does not hold true for Cable quality unfortunately.
Actually every single one, and I mean every single one has PSIP problems, some to the extent of triggering mislabels on channels etc., and none provide guide data electronically, but they may be providing the right information to the guide data services like DirecTV, Zap2it & TitanTV if that is what you meant.

For all I know they are writing it on rolls of toliet paper and delivering by pony express :)
Tim
post #67 of 121
Quote:
Originally posted by Don Landis
[b]It is much easier to fix blame on the innocent when convenient as opposed to the large numbers of independent entities, local stations, who should be held to a standard. Sergio- While several people have suggested that approach, and I don't believe it would be impossible, a minimal amount of PSIP info must be sent to synchronize it in the receiver's software unless you did it manually (another possibility) during setup. The big issue I maintain with yours and others' approach is that I disagree "it is near perfect anyway." I would agree that it is near perfect for the programs YOU want to watch and time shift. I know for a fact it would never work for most of the broadcast day where every station time shifts daytime and early morning network feeds to different times based on "paid programming accounts" and other local premption issues. There is no way possible for our 7PM local Jack DelRio show ( Jaguars head coach's weekly talk and call in show) to appear in the National CBS guide lineup unless the local CBS affiliate sends in the information. Say that would be one show I would time shift weekly. Now I must set up a timer manually. If your approach were built into the 921/721 etc. then I still would need to set the timer manually. Only the prime time 8PM to 10 PM and soap time 1PM to 4PM? could be counted on most but not all the time.
I dont understand what you're saying, Don. You're making it sound like no source for local programming listings (be it digital or analog) is accurate enough to rely on for recording or otherwise. Whether it's your Sunday insert tv guide in the Newspaper, the TVGuide thing at the checkstand or say TitanTv.com online. All those are rather accurate for the most part (except for last minute pre-emptions, naturally). I mean what good would they be to anybody is they werent accurate for showing what was on your local CBS affilate at 4 a.m. whether it was simply paid programming or whatever, or to list the Jack Del Rio show, or to list C.S.I.?

Well the same concept applies here. If E* or D* takes that data and puts it into the stream and targets it at you based on your zipcode (which then makes it true local listings and not just generic Network listings) it's just as accurate as can be. Thats exactly what D* does with their APG.

Thats the beauty of the APG D* uses on all but the DTC-100 I believe. Hell like on Saturday afternoons if I want to know what sporting events might be on my ABC, NBC or CBS channels I cant even get that info on my 6000. I suppose I could go online to find out via TitanTv (or do some channel surfing but that wouldnt tell me whats on in an hour or 2) but thats a hassle.

So you know what I do? I just switch inputs on my tv to look at the APG from my D* Mitsu receiver which has all that info listed in it's guide. And it'll list whether it's just a usual NCAA hoops game that most all CBS stations in the country are airing at the time too, or it list's something else instead if my local CBS station were choosing to show something perhaps locally originated in it's place.
post #68 of 121
OK, same deal here. I already stated the details. Even my AE at Comcast tells me they have issues with the info for the cable guide sent in from stations. No standard and all volunteered info. Trust me on this, FCC regulation will fix it quickly!
I believe it was said recently that government regulation is not desirable but when you are in need of a standard it is the only way. Would you prefer the Interstate system dropped all regulations and left it up to the local contractors building it to choose how to sign, road size etc? It's bad enough today with all the variety of surfaces allowed but slowly coming together. Can you imaging how the interstate system would be without a government standard? This is not the same as a mandate for individuals to take a bath every day. It is a regulation to supply a universal service to improve the lifestyle for everyone. Oh and in case you were wondering, these thoughts on PSIP regulations are about as liberal as I get, philosophically. :) I'm really not in favor of big government over local freedom but sometimes it is for the best.
post #69 of 121
Oh sure, Don. I'm all for PSIP and getting it working right. Of course.

But I'm talking about the here and now. Whether D* is doing it cause they know PSIP cant be relied on yet or because they just think it's a cute little feature is irrelevant. It's just another example of how D* software/hardware generally puts E*'s to shame.

Spend 1000.00 on a "sate of the art" receiver and you cant even see whats on your local OTA stations right now, or 3 hours from now? C'mon.

Eh, it doesnt even matter to me anymore. I was always partial to E* for seemingly a better commitment to HD, but a week ago I slashed everything but the HD Pack from E* anyway now that Comcast provided me with an HD box with Firewire output and offers not only HBO/SHO, but Starz! HD and Cinemax HD and other HD channels not on E* or D* yet, to boot.

Whether Ergen ever gets me back for anything above the HD Pack remains to be seen. Wouldnt seem likely though. Looks like he just waited too long to add certain HD channels and/or new hardware as it turns out in my particular situation.

But as always in the HD provider merry-go-round.. never say never! ;)
post #70 of 121
Don – I agree the best solution would be to force the local stations to supply guide OTA to the 921. Problem is that is not going to happen for years – if ever. If Dish Network wants ‘Joe’ user to buy a 921 they will have to fix the problem.

They don’t need to use a national feed for the local guide. They already have guide information for something close to 80% of the TV markets TODAY. For example, I took a look at the Salt Lake City locals on Dish Network at my Dads house last weekend. The guide is specific to Salt Lake City. Even the seldom watched or even heard of channels had guide information specific to Salt Lake. All I am asking is that Dish Network change the software on the 921 so that it will show the guide information that is already supplied for Salt Lake (and the other local markets).

I have the $$$ for a 921 or an HD DirecTivo standing by – just waiting for the one that gets me HD PVR functions for both OTA and Satellite. It seems fairly certain that it will be DirecTivo. I don’t like the idea because I already have Dish Network setup that I disconnected when they took away my LA/NY channels. Also the 921 has analog RGB and the possibility of 1394 in the future. I just won’t be able to justify the $1000 + $90 a month for something that is going to say ‘Off air program’ 25 times for the shows my family watches. If you record 8 OTA shows using the 1980 way of setting up a VCR do you get ‘Off Air Program’ 8 times in the PVR list? How do you know what’s recorded? Do you just have to start each program to see what it is? Not worth the money at this point.

I am on the fence on what PVR to get mostly because of the lack of the guide info or at least the guide would tip the scales and I’d get a 921 as soon as I could find one. My dilemma is over in this thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0&pagenumber=1

I just looked into my dark and semi-accurate crystal ball and here is what I see..

1. Within the next few months someone in power at Dish Network - maybe someone on the board will get a 921.
2. The board member will think that it is the coolest thing ever created.
3. They will then notice that most of the HD programming they want to watch is OTA and find that to time shift with OTA they have to time travel back to 1980.
4. They will call the head Techknowgeek at Dish and ask ‘Why the hell is there no guide info for the OTA?’
5. Head Techknowgeek comes up with some lame answer and is told to ‘Just fix it!’.
6. Techknowgeek then updates the software on the 921 effectively to ‘copy and paste’ the guide info from the LIL guide to the OTA guide.
7. Board member is now happy because he has Denver locals.
8. Dish tells people if they want to have OTA guide that they can to subscribe to their locals and the 921 will then fill in the OTA guide.
9. Customers complain that because they can get OTA they don’t need to subscribe.
10. Dish tells the complainers that there is some technical reason that they have to subscribe to the locals just to get the OTA guide.
11. Customers still complain about having to subscribe to locals to get OTA guide.
12. Dish changes the PVR fee from $4.99 to $11.99 and says it is because they have added the OTA guide that Tivo has had for years. Really Dish just adds the local channels to the customer’s subscription and calls it good.
13. I get DirecTivo because my family wants to kill me for even suggesting they use TV guide to see what is on TV.
14. Dish Network doesn’t care that I switched to DirecTv.
post #71 of 121
Don

Either I'm totally wrong or we are talking about different things. When I mentioned that my local guide works pretty well I was talking about the local guide that shows channels 8000 and up for the real local channels in Central Florida. My local guide shows what's going on in the Orlando stations, not NY ,not LA. As I said, in 99% of the cases the digital and analog channels are showing exactely the same program. Your JackDelRIO would certainly be listed in your guide. I think you are assuming that the major network stations would be showing NY or LA in the guide but this is not true. With my 508 receiver I have a almost perfect local guide for the next 9 days. The only problem I can have is if the local station changes the programing after the guide is downloaded (every night) but this is very rare and in this case even the TIVO would fail.

I am not bashing Dish and I'm dying to put my hands on a 921 soon after I can solve my cabling problem (I need the DP44+ switch). The 921 is 100 times better than nothing and I can't watch live TV anymore. I am not blaming on the innocent.

Sergio
post #72 of 121
Quote:
Originally posted by mike greer
[B If Dish Network wants ‘Joe’ user to buy a 921 they will have to fix the problem.

[/b]
If they want Joe user to buy a 921 then they better start improving their quality control.


I have had mine for a whole 2.5 days and it died this morning. I have been on the phone with DISH for nearly 2 hours trying everything and now they are UPS'ing me a replacement unit.

Do I feel foolish spending $1000 on a device that I now have no confidence in? You bet. I paid for a Caddilac but I am still going to have to take out an extended warranty on this thing.

With my luck, that one will exhibit the Blue streak problem which this one did NOT and I'll be back visiting the UPS dropoff counter.

I am so tempted to unload the new one on EBAY,make a few bucks and ditch DISH for VOOM.

Joe
post #73 of 121
Joe,

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Actually my 811 died today and I had to do voodoo to get my 921 working yesterday (actually a card pull) after not using it for a week of travel (in which time it did NOT tape the scheduled Bond movie).

I actually have my trigger finger on a HD Tivo pre-order but despite having infrastructure for 3 concurrent DBS services, I would be pushing the WAF to the limits and it doesn't even pass my common sense muster.

Tim
post #74 of 121
Sergio- No were not talking about two different things. We are talking about two or more different stations who do things in their own way differently. I have no way of knowing if your Orlando stations are doing what they should be doing but if they are then that is fine for Orlando. You can not make the assumption that because your local station does it right that all stations do it right. Either they do in partly or they don't do any info at all here in Jax. And, this is true for most of the nation.


In the example of the Jack DelRio show, it first appeared as Entertainment tonight I believe or some network feed and the next month it was "Information not available"

The tive system seems to be the next best thing to theory as I know it rarely fails. When I visited my Dad who has my TIVO I even noticed the TIVO was better than the cable company guide channel. They do a pretty good job if you keep your phone line plugged in and subscribe or have the lifetime (I do) subscription.
Now, the guide info you say appears on local channel numbers 8000 and up are Dish Network channels. I have never seen Jax locals on Dish Network because I don't subscribe to them. Never even bothered to see if they were in the guide. However, I did have them from August to December on DirecTV and they are mapped to the correct analog channel number, not the digital channels. In those D* guides the local programming was listed as "No Information" I saw one Prime time preemption of a network show and it appeard as a network show not the preempted one. No, even those LIL channels are not accurate when it comes to local programming and changes unless the station supplies it. I will make the assumption that if the information was not supplied to D* then it would not be supplied to E* as the uplink is the same signal received by both carriers. Locally to Cable, the link used to be Microwave but today it is all fiber. I know as I've used the connection for live feeds. In the case of most remote news it is more expedient to use STL microwave even if near a FO access point.

This supply of guide information is entirely voluntary and that is my issue with the current practice. If The FCC regulated it like they do station logs, the problem for all would go away.
post #75 of 121
"I actually have my trigger finger on a HD Tivo pre-order but despite having infrastructure for 3 concurrent DBS services, I would be pushing the WAF to the limits and it doesn't even pass my common sense muster. "

LOL! Me too Tim. That is why I pushed the VOOM provider to some pretty demanding requirements before I jump on board. That should keep Voom a bit of distance from my wallet for awhile.
Voom must provide affordable ($199) receiver and 169Time retrofit capable
Alternately, Voom must provide a DVR for same price as competition and have firewire too.
Voom must have some uniquely different program options I can have a la carte as a compelling reason for buying the hardware. They already do, in my opinion but unfortunately I refuse to spend $750 for the first STB that I can't even time shift with. I have never spent that much for a basic receiver for HD and don't think I have to. Plus I already have the antennas so they should forget the Pro install, That is another requirement, I won't permit any installer from screwing around my complex system. They could be giving away the Playboy channel free and no installer is going fiddle with my HT.
post #76 of 121
I swear this 921 is possessed by poltergists's.

All I did was unplug the thing this morning so I could move it to get to the back and had all the trouble I mentioned above.

2 hours on the phone with DISH having me unplug the thing,yank the smart card a bunch of times and it WAS DEAD.

The Dish logo would come up, it would then say "acquiring sat signal' and then nothing but a black screen.

None of the buttons on the remote did anything (except the power button) nor anything on the front panel.
Heck, even the SD/HD lights were both out.

So, DISH decided it was dead and is shipping me a new one.

Here is where the poltergists's show up:)

I left it unplugged all afternoon and about an hour ago, I went to yank the 921 out and re-connect my 6000 till the replacement unit shows up sometime next week.

On a whim, I plugged the 921 in and after it booted, it magically worked - ALMOST.

Got a picture, it responded to the remote,etc. and everything worked but it was missing many of my channels.

Another call to DISH who had me test various transponders with no luck with the missing channels and he said "It must still be broken so wait until the replacement unit comes"

In total frustration, I unplugged the damn thing again and guess what?
After THIS reboot all my subscribed channels showed up again!


Joe

Not so proud owner of a 921 in need of an exorcism.
post #77 of 121
Quote:
Originally posted by rudolpht
Joe,

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Actually my 811 died today and I had to do voodoo to get my 921 working yesterday (actually a card pull) after not using it for a week of travel (in which time it did NOT tape the scheduled Bond movie).

Tim
Voodoo? Heck, this border's on demonic possesion:)

See my continuing saga below.

Joe
post #78 of 121
Joe- Sounds like the same symptom that Scott had.
All computers are possessed. I had trouble with Outlook this afternoon much in the same way. Lots of recovery issues but everytime I attempted to launch it I got to the dreaded Not responding screen. I walked away for 30 minutes and when I came back the not responding had disappeared and was replaced with a working Outlook. Tonight I have been having more problems with locals and my miniscule guide info. The local duopoly station had it's PSIP switched announcing FOX call letters on the CBS station and CBS call letters and channel number on the FOX station. Talk about confusion! I wanted to watch Jag so I tuned it in on FOX channel and there it was! Later I came back and the PSIP info was corrected on it's own. I ought to request a copy of the station's logs for tonight.
post #79 of 121
Considering the length of this thread, pardon me if I am repeating a prior question:

Would it be possible to copy from 921's hard drive to a DVHS - say a pay per view or hbo movie - similar to the 169time system?
post #80 of 121
Yes, and has been much discussion on it. The short answer is that capability is built in and planned for but has not yet been activated. The DVR921 has two 1394 ports for dumping HD content only off to DVHS tape, said to support JVC DVHS VCR's. It is reported to follow 5C rules for PVR copy to other media via 1394 and that in and of itself will be the controlling factor as to what content you may dump off to DVHS tape. It is in the menu currently but deactivated. Time frame is "soon" for activation. I believe they are waiting for the base code to stabilize and most bugs gone before adding the complication of an additional major feature like this.

As for 169Time system, it is my belief that because the 169Time system is not 5C compliant, you may not be able to use it once 5C code is added to the MPEG2 stream. 5C is specifically designed to encrypt the video if a 5C failure is present. This is why all or most devices mfg's have paid the license for 5C so they will be ready when the program providers begin to use it. 169time, being a small company has not designed it's HDVR board with 5C compliance. They may have to in the future if they plan to remain in business after 5C becomes mainstream. When that will be is anyone's guess.
post #81 of 121
Thanks Don, for the precise answer.

I was considering buying the 169time system. Based on your comments, I think I will wait to see what hdtv pvrs can do.
post #82 of 121
Quote:
Originally posted by Don Landis
As for 169Time system, it is my belief that because the 169Time system is not 5C compliant, you may not be able to use it once 5C code is added to the MPEG2 stream. 5C is specifically designed to encrypt the video if a 5C failure is present.
And if they do sell modified boxes that outputs unencrypted digital streams that are received as 5C tagged, it probably qualifies as a criminal violation of the DCMA.

Also, if they output a digital stream for an OTA signal that has the "broadcast flag" turned on, it'll be a violation of Federal Regulations.
post #83 of 121
Thread Starter 
Been away from here for the last 10 days due to the flu...nasty time, but now glad to be back.

Just an update on the "blue-line" issue, Dish has been turning the repaired receivers around in less than a day. Most cases have been receipt of the receiver in the morning, fix, ship it out that same afternoon. The rest of the cases have been shipped out the next morning.

It looks like this problem only affected a specific run of 921s from one of the factories. It dones't affect all 921s, but it makes sense that it would affect all 3 from the previous poster who got the three at the same time from the same dealer.

If any of you are concerned about shipping your 921 to a UPS store address (where Dish tells you to ship it), the address is legitimate. It's the address that they use for specialized repair returns. If these were shipped to their warehouse address, it'd be days before they were even found to be fixed.
post #84 of 121
Quick response by Dish too on the blue line problem.

Recevied my 921 on Friday, watched and recorded the super bowl yesterday and I hadn't noticed the problem until I was rewatching some of the commercials and paused in the middle of two commercials so my wife could come look and there they were.

So I emailed DISH at the address specified by Mark last night (Sunday) and this morning (Monday) a DISH rep called me with the info for the return. I will try to get it out tomorrw, so we'll test how quickly they turn it around.

I probably wouldn't have noticed or cared too much, if I didn't read all the posts on the problem, but am glad that I'll be getting it fixed, as I read one post from someone who sent his in to be fixed, got it back and said the PQ was 200% better on top of fixing the problem completly.

Otherwise, I'm real happy with the unit. Have had only 3 crash/reboots in 3 days, but luckily it was mostly playing around so I haven't missed anything. I just hope they don't trash my recordings while fixing....don't wanna lose the superbowl and halftime!!!!
post #85 of 121
Quote:
Originally posted by markdl
Been away from here for the last 10 days due to the flu...nasty time, but now glad to be back.

Just an update on the "blue-line" issue, Dish has been turning the repaired receivers around in less than a day. Most cases have been receipt of the receiver in the morning, fix, ship it out that same afternoon. The rest of the cases have been shipped out the next morning.

It looks like this problem only affected a specific run of 921s from one of the factories. It dones't affect all 921s, but it makes sense that it would affect all 3 from the previous poster who got the three at the same time from the same dealer.
I called Fedex to find out the rate for Next Day shipping of the 20 pound packages like the 921... it was over $150 !

So DISH is spending over $300 in shipping plus labor to make us happy.
post #86 of 121
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Originally posted by jlin
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So DISH is spending over $300 in shipping plus labor to make us happy.
Of course if they did it right in the first place.......
post #87 of 121
I am sending my 921 back today also. Waited until after the Superbowl even though noticed blue lines problem last week. I don't have the original box anymore so they are buying me the box, packing materials, and crediting my account for the DVR, HD package, and receiver fee for month.
post #88 of 121
Thread Starter 
$300 is exaggerated - Fedex national accounts offer significant discounts for volume shipping. Costs to them are probably around $65-$75 each way (or less) based on my companies national account discounts.

But, they definitely are stepping up and fixing this, and that's a good sign. It took them about 3 days to track down the problem after the first report, and have been going hard since at the fix.
post #89 of 121
Mark- Have you heard anything that says this issue is related to specific monitors? I connected my 921 to my Dwin TV3 and I can't detect this flaw at all.
post #90 of 121
Quote:
Originally posted by Don Landis
Mark- Have you heard anything that says this issue is related to specific monitors? I connected my 921 to my Dwin TV3 and I can't detect this flaw at all.
Don,

I don't think it's monitor-specific. This problem has been reported with direct-views, RPTV's, and front projectors. And when you see it, the lines are "real", i.e., they're not some wispy, overlay noise. They're in the picture; they pause when the video pauses.

If yours definitely doesn't have the problem, that's consistant with the explanation that it's a problem with a specific production run.


I got a call from Dish today, and will probably be sending mine out today. I waited a year for this thing; I can wait a little longer to get one with good PQ.
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