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post #1501 of 1760
Great news! Now only if they can fix WTOM similarly so it broadcasts to more than 2 1/2 counties.
post #1502 of 1760
Does anyone know if WWTV is running at reduced power? I live in southern Muskegon county and am able to pick up this station on a very reliable basis during the morning hours. The power increase the FCC granted them made all the difference. However for the past few days, the station hasn't been coming in at all.

Quite a few OTA viewers in Muskegon, Kent, and Ottawa counties have come to rely on this station because our local affliate, WWMT is completely unable to air any syndicated programming in HD and their SD up-conversion is so far out of calibration that it looks like VHS.
post #1503 of 1760
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Originally Posted by eyager View Post

Does anyone know if WWTV is running at reduced power? I live in southern Muskegon county and am able to pick up this station on a very reliable basis during the morning hours. The power increase the FCC granted them made all the difference. However for the past few days, the station hasn't been coming in at all.

Quite a few OTA viewers in Muskegon, Kent, and Ottawa counties have come to rely on this station because our local affliate, WWMT is completely unable to air any syndicated programming in HD and their SD up-conversion is so far out of calibration that it looks like VHS.

WWTV fried their channel 9 exciter last Wednesday during a power outage. They got it fixed within a few hours, but were running on generator power for a while. Supposedly, they got everything back up and are skating at full strength, now. Just checked and they have the same pre-outage signal at my location.
post #1504 of 1760
I talked to one of their engineers yesterday. The power surge also did damage to their PSIP and they had to do some reprogramming. They told me to rescan for the station. I did, and now they are there.
post #1505 of 1760
Channel 47 (7.1 NBC & 7.2 ABC) is up and running in Kalkaska. Signal is strong here on the west side of Traverse City with just rabbit ears.
post #1506 of 1760
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Originally Posted by larkor View Post

Channel 47 (7.1 NBC & 7.2 ABC) is up and running in Kalkaska. Signal is strong here on the west side of Traverse City with just rabbit ears.

Their signal is 100% here in Mesick, some 36 miles from Kalkaska tower and the bonus is the station doesn't break up when the microwave oven is running as it does with 7 (10.5 mi. away).
post #1507 of 1760
That's awesome!
29.x is still up and running too.
I can't re-scan till after Private Practice.
post #1508 of 1760
Any idea if 50 has moved yet? Or is that still to come?

And is 7 still up?

- Trip
post #1509 of 1760
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Originally Posted by larkor View Post

Channel 47 (7.1 NBC & 7.2 ABC) is up and running in Kalkaska. Signal is strong here on the west side of Traverse City with just rabbit ears.

Hopefully they will drop 29.2 now so we can have full HD on 29.1 again. Or at least put it back to SD. It looked much better before they tried to do HD on both channels.
post #1510 of 1760
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Originally Posted by knightc2 View Post

Hopefully they will drop 29.2 now so we can have full HD on 29.1 again. Or at least put it back to SD. It looked much better before they tried to do HD on both channels.

Yeah, I was going to ask....

I get 29.x and 47.x great. 47 might have 5% more signal, but its meaningless.

So what's the benefit to 47? Or to 29? I don't have any HD sets, nor can I get my DTV boxes to tell me what/how it's broadcasting. I'll pick the best signal, but I don't know which it is.
post #1511 of 1760
47 and 29 are broadcast from the same location and therefore have similar coverage areas. Since Fox is no longer using 47, NBC is now using it. This will allow them to move NBC from 29.2 (hopefully) to their own separate channel and fill in the coverage gap between 7 and 4. This would allow 29 to restore full HD on 29.1 and broadcast something else on 29.2 if they so choose. In my opinion it would be stupid to continue broadcasting NBC on both 47 and 29.2 since they are coming from the same location with very similar coverage ranges.

To answer your question the benefit to using 47 means NBC has their own full bandwidth channel with almost the same coverage they now have with 29.2. This frees up the bandwidth on 29 as well. It probably won't matter much to those without HD sets but this move should allow 29.1 to go back to their full bandwidth and allow 47 to also broadcast full HD. Both ABC and NBC should have better HD picture quality without sacrificing coverage area.
post #1512 of 1760
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Originally Posted by knightc2 View Post

This will allow them to move NBC from 29.2 (hopefully) to their own separate channel and fill in the coverage gap between 7 and 4. This would allow 29 to restore full HD on 29.1

IF that's what they end up doing (I'd agree that they almost surely will).
For right now, flip a coin and be happy?
post #1513 of 1760
Didn't WGTU run the CW network before on 29.2? They could put that on 29.2, and if they have been running both ABC and NBC in "HD", they could try CW in HD on 29.2.
post #1514 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Any idea if 50 has moved yet? Or is that still to come?

And is 7 still up?

- Trip

7, 47 and 50 are all up. Nothing has moved, yet. I was getting all three last night.
post #1515 of 1760
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Originally Posted by wb8tgy View Post

Didn't WGTU run the CW network before on 29.2? They could put that on 29.2, and if they have been running both ABC and NBC in "HD", they could try CW in HD on 29.2.

Yes, WGTU had CW and WPBN had The Tube until it went belly up and then RTN. Barrington dropped those sub channels when they started managing both stations.
post #1516 of 1760
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Originally Posted by wb8tgy View Post

Didn't WGTU run the CW network before on 29.2? They could put that on 29.2, and if they have been running both ABC and NBC in "HD", they could try CW in HD on 29.2.

The CW+ service that WGTU used is not yet available in HD.

- Trip
post #1517 of 1760
Some alternative stations would be great. It would make this whole transition thing worth it. =)
post #1518 of 1760
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Originally Posted by aeblank View Post

Some alternative stations would be great. It would make this whole transition thing worth it. =)

I would welcome new subchannels but having two HD subchannels crammed onto one channel as 29 is now doing reduces the image quality quite a bit. If they kept the subchannel to SD then it might be worth it.
post #1519 of 1760
The CW network in this market is cable only. In markets 100 or smaller, it's cable only. The local station can only add advertising to it. They can't broadcast it on a digital sub channel because the CW only bought the cable rights for the other programs on that cable channel.
post #1520 of 1760
Actually, the CW+ (the small-market feed) is carried on subchannels in most markets. It was the WB+ which was cable-only.
post #1521 of 1760
Lansing is a smaller than 100 market and the local ABC station has the CW network on it's subchannel.
post #1522 of 1760
Have any of you guys noticed that WWTV is starting to move some of there graphics (Ticker/Storm Warnings) into HD?

Does anyone know if WWTV is going to start to move there news into HD...

Just think if they did, they would have a hudge advantage over all the other stations!!!
post #1523 of 1760
Thread Starter 
I noticed that too. Oddly Fox 33 still had to drop out of HD to put the crawls on the screen. It's progress anyway!
post #1524 of 1760
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Originally Posted by JHuibregtse View Post

I noticed that too. Oddly Fox 33 still had to drop out of HD to put the crawls on the screen. It's progress anyway!

Keep in mind that Fox stations cannot crawl over Fox network HD without use of the new splicer which I'm told is still not fully operating properly at this time.

- Trip
post #1525 of 1760
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Originally Posted by tvbobn12 View Post

The CW network in this market is cable only. In markets 100 or smaller, it's cable only. The local station can only add advertising to it. They can't broadcast it on a digital sub channel because the CW only bought the cable rights for the other programs on that cable channel.

It would be nice to see WPBN put CW+ on 7-2 and WTOM (or should I say WTOM-Fisher Price Transmitter) put it on 4-2. WBUP has CW+ on 10-2, FYI.
post #1526 of 1760
Has WPBN finished moving everything and boosting power? Can't get them still on the upstairs tv with an antenna.
post #1527 of 1760
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Originally Posted by cire2282 View Post

Has WPBN finished moving everything and boosting power? Can't get them still on the upstairs tv with an antenna.

Not yet. 47 is up in Kalkaska. 50 is no longer broadcasting from TC, but hasn't been moved to Harrietta. 7 is still broadcasting from there.
post #1528 of 1760
If you're in the Manton area, check out Bob Helsel's light display that's synchronized to music. Even if you're not, it's worth the trip. It's about a mile east of US-131 at the M-42 exit. It's well worth the time to check it out. Tune your radio to 107.9 FM and enjoy the show. He has a clip on YouTube. Search for "bobhelsel" to see.
post #1529 of 1760
An interesting discussion going on over at the Grand Rapids forum about the future of OTA stations. Could change OTA in the Traverse City market if some of these things happen.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...49584&page=233
post #1530 of 1760
Looks like channel 50 will fire up in Harrietta in February:

We continue to work to improve our signal to viewers in our southern broadcast area and hope to have those improvements completed by the end of February, 2010.

http://www.upnorthlive.com/about/about.aspx?id=97103
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