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post #2401 of 6116
Bob/Alan:
I know it may be too late to implement, but it seems that the best approach to the "local interest" games would be to put the "flex" HD feed on 7-1 and the "constant" SD feed on the analog channel. That way, we get to see the Hokies/Hoos in HD, and if they "bounce" to another game on the HD channel, we can switch over to the SD feed ourselves. This way we'd get to see the majority of the game in HD. If we have to watch part of the game in SD... well, that's much better than having to watch the WHOLE game in SD. I think most on this board, if not all, would agree with this approach. WE JUST WANT TO SEE OUR TEAMS IN HD!!
post #2402 of 6116
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

Bob/Alan:
I know it may be too late to implement, but it seems that the best approach to the "local interest" games would be to put the "flex" HD feed on 7-1 and the "constant" SD feed on the analog channel.

CBS will NOT allow that...
post #2403 of 6116
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

CBS will NOT allow that...

Wow... if true, CBS has REALLY screwed HD viewers in "local interest" markets. Technically, I imagine that WDBJ could get around this by putting the HD flex feed on 7.1 and the constant feed in SD on 7.2. But I guess that would cause an uproar from everyone watching the analog feed (ie the VAST majority of viewers). What a mess for us HD fans...

BTW: Alan/Bob - I saw quite a few instances of the "out of focus bug" on the games yesterday. This is where the picture will all of a sudden go out of focus, then quickly come back into focus within about 10 seconds. Out here in the wild (the forums), the problem has been identified as a filter setting on the Harris encoder. Having the encoder set to adaptive filtering causes the "out of focus" glitch. Setting the encoder to static filtering should fix the problem. Hope you guys are monitoring the board...
post #2404 of 6116
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

BTW: Alan/Bob - I saw quite a few instances of the "out of focus bug" on the games yesterday. This is where the picture will all of a sudden go out of focus, then quickly come back into focus within about 10 seconds. Out here in the wild (the forums), the problem has been identified as a filter setting on the Harris encoder. Having the encoder set to adaptive filtering causes the "out of focus" glitch. Setting the encoder to static filtering should fix the problem. Hope you guys are monitoring the board...

I saw the same thing on our CBS affiliate here in SE VA...
post #2405 of 6116
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

CBS will NOT allow that...

Posts on the thread up to now are correct: CBS has us in a bind this year. Unlike past years in which we could air one game on analog and a different game on the HD subchannel, we are required to simulcast this year. So a local station has a choice - - do you want to show the UVa game and stay with it or do you want to take the HD feed and have coverage go in and out of the UVa game.
I do not like green eggs and ham, and I don't like this either.
post #2406 of 6116
[quote=KeithMoore]
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Originally Posted by Echohammer419 View Post

Interesting. I'm a senior at Liberty, and wasn't aware of that.

Echo, do you live on or off campus? My son is a senior there too.

Cool beans...I'm off campus, and loving it.

Anyway, aside from the SD feed broadcast from 7-9 last night, the games looked great in their HD glory. Glad I picked the HD package up right before the tourny. Totally worth it.
post #2407 of 6116
Cool Virginia Tech is in HD right now! Hope they don't switch to any other games.

Bad macro-blocking on fast motion:



Bit rate details VT vs. Illinois.

post #2408 of 6116
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Originally Posted by begglest View Post

Cool Virginia Tech is in HD right now! Hope they don't switch to any other games.

Thanks Bob & Alan! Very pleasant surprise that you're giving us the HD feed. I sure hope someone is ready at the switch to flip over to SD when CBS "jumps". Regardless, you guys rock!
post #2409 of 6116
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Originally Posted by begglest View Post

Cool Virginia Tech is in HD right now! Hope they don't switch to any other games.

Bad macro-blocking on fast motion:


That looks more like you don't have a good deinterlacer enabled for watching on your computer.
post #2410 of 6116
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Originally Posted by compuwizz View Post

That looks more like you don't have a good deinterlacer enabled for watching on your computer.


I changed the deinterlacer in VLC media player to blend, there were some other options also. Picture quality was still pretty bad, only a little improvement. It might be the the built in snap shot tool in VLC, I took a screen shot with windows and it looked better but for some reason I can't save it in photoshop.

It also looked bad seeing it on the tv.
post #2411 of 6116
The saw tooth lines are the sign that I figure is from a deinterlacing issue. Bob and Kernel are usually the best however its just personal preference. Kernel isn't an option in VLC, I'm just bringing that from MythTV.

From the macroblocking I've seen, the picture turns more into a large mosaic of tiles on the screen.
post #2412 of 6116
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Originally Posted by compuwizz View Post

The saw tooth lines are the sign that I figure is from a deinterlacing issue. Bob and Kernel are usually the best however its just personal preference. Kernel isn't an option in VLC, I'm just bringing that from MythTV.

From the macroblocking I've seen, the picture turns more into a large mosaic of tiles on the screen.


I updated the picture to the one with blended deinterlacing. I think I saw the saw tooth lines as I change the picture size. I did not notice that cause I had it a full resolution on my comp.
post #2413 of 6116
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

So-called 'HD Lite' to Continue

Starting in September, DirecTV plans to add 100 HD channels, but subscribers shouldn't expect a change in their HD signal quality.

The HD feeds will continue to feature the same transmission strength the satellite TV provider currently offers, spokesman Robert Mercer said. (read more - TV Week)

Vartv,
So you believe Direct will add 100 HD channels, Sept thru the end of year?

I've got some land down along Catawba creek for sale, interested?

fred
post #2414 of 6116
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Originally Posted by fredinva View Post

Vartv,
So you believe Direct will add 100 HD channels, Sept thru the end of year?

I've got some land down along Catawba creek for sale, interested?

fred

Uhhhh, he quoted an article. And even then, it says nothing about having 100 up by the end of the year, just that they'll start in September. Here's the quote again, which is from the article:

Quote:


Starting in September, DirecTV plans to add 100 HD channels
post #2415 of 6116
THANKS WDBJ!!! I can't believe how lucky we got with the HD flex feed of the game. So, did you have someone at the controls ready to switch to the SD feed if CBS "jumped" out of the VT game? I'm just amazed that we got through the entire game in HD, and not a single "interruption" in the 2nd half. Again, you guys rock... if you can get us through Sunday's game in mostly HD, I won't say anything about sub-channels or macro-blocks for a month
post #2416 of 6116
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Originally Posted by begglest View Post

I updated the picture to the one with blended deinterlacing. I think I saw the saw tooth lines as I change the picture size. I did not notice that cause I had it a full resolution on my comp.

Ok that new picture does show macroblocking problems now that the saw tooth effect has been removed.
post #2417 of 6116
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

Uhhhh, he quoted an article. And even then, it says nothing about having 100 up by the end of the year, just that they'll start in September. Here's the quote again, which is from the article:

The point is we didn't need reference to an article since Direct has "Back to the Future" ALL OVER the TV making their claims. It's all BS
And "direct will have three times as much capacity as cable". Capacity maybe, but just where are they going to get all those HD channels?
There wont be 100 channels this year for Direct, Dish, or Cable.
DirecTV propaganda!!!!!!!!

fred
post #2418 of 6116
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Originally Posted by fredinva View Post

Vartv,
So you believe Direct will add 100 HD channels, Sept thru the end of year?

I've got some land down along Catawba creek for sale, interested?

fred

I posted the piece really for the HD-Lite part of the article. 100 by year's end? I'm not holding my breath... They will have the capacity to quickly add HD channels. I believe 4 Disney nets (ESPNews, ABC Family, TOON Disney, and one more) will be added in early 2008...
post #2419 of 6116
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

I posted the piece really for the HD-Lite part of the article. 100 by year's end? I'm not holding my breath... They will have the capacity to quickly add HD channels. I believe 4 Disney nets (ESPNews, ABC Family, TOON Disney, and one more) will be added in early 2008...

Hey Robert,
I really didn't mean much by my post. I just get super tired of all the D claims.
I remember thier promise a few years back to beam locals here in Roanoke. Promises, promises. Dish doesn't say a word, them Bam: Locals via Dish beat Direct by 2 or 3 weeks.

It is a shame us satellite subscribers have to put up with some of the HD Lite on either Direct or Dish. Hopefully more capacity by both sat co's will lessen or even eliminate HD Lite altogether.

fred
post #2420 of 6116
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Originally Posted by fredinva View Post

Hey Robert,
I really didn't mean much by my post.

fred

No offense taken...
post #2421 of 6116
Oh My Gosh!
Who pushed the button to break to a Va lottery commercial with 11 tics left on the clock in Overtime - OSU vs Xavier?

Granted, the game was over, but still??

fred
(and yes the Buckeyes were lucky!)
post #2422 of 6116
Anyone noticed the games this afternoon and tonight seem a bit choppy? Watching the MSU/UNC game now the picture looks good but when things really move fast it's a bit choppy.
post #2423 of 6116
Got all of the 1st half of the UVA game in HD but the second half is in SD right now.
post #2424 of 6116
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Originally Posted by wokisan View Post

Got all of the 1st half of the UVA game in HD but the second half is in SD right now.

Its in HD here in blacksburg, OTA on wdbj7.
post #2425 of 6116
UVA game switched back to HD...then the Florida game was in HD until about 2 minutes left in the half...now we're stuck with crappy SD for Tech....what gives?
post #2426 of 6116
CBS gives, but nothing useful.
post #2427 of 6116
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Originally Posted by thinksnow69 View Post

UVA game switched back to HD...then the Florida game was in HD until about 2 minutes left in the half...now we're stuck with crappy SD for Tech....what gives?

I'll try to answer this quick. During this part of the tournament CBS has 2 types of games FLEX and CONSTANT.

The FLEX GAMES would always be the HD feed but subject to change to a different game if it started to be a blow-out. The change is brought on by CBS in NEW YORK.

A game on the CONSTANT FEED will NOT LEAVE THE GAME regardless of scoring.

In order to televise the UVa and VT games IN THEIR entirety, our programming department opted to take these games in CONSTANT - insuring the entire game would be televised.

You could have had HD all day, but you wouldn't have seen the second half of the UVa game.

It's a toss up. Do you want the entire game regardless of HD/SD format or do you want HD all the time regardless of what game is on?

This is the issue.

Alan
post #2428 of 6116
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Originally Posted by wdbjalan View Post

I'll try to answer this quick. During this part of the tournament CBS has 2 types of games FLEX and CONSTANT.

The FLEX GAMES would always be the HD feed but subject to change to a different game if it started to be a blow-out. The change is brought on by CBS in NEW YORK.

A game on the CONSTANT FEED will NOT LEAVE THE GAME regardless of scoring.

In order to televise the UVa and VT games IN THEIR entirety, our programming department opted to take these games in CONSTANT - insuring the entire game would be televised.

You could have had HD all day, but you wouldn't have seen the second half of the UVa game.

It's a toss up. Do you want the entire game regardless of HD/SD format or do you want HD all the time regardless of what game is on?

This is the issue.

Alan

I want my cake and eat it too.

But if I had to choose, it would be the local team (UVa in my case). Thanks for the heads up Alan. It's always nice to know what/why/how things happen.
post #2429 of 6116
So apparently ESPN-HD and ESPN 2-HD are not functional as of the moment, at least in Lynchburg. I went to the Comcast office to see if I could just swap out my HD-DVR thinking the problem was on my end, and they said they were having some problems with it as well. Not that it's of much significance, as the college games are on CBS, but it's still a bit annoying, especially having just signed up for the service. Anyone else having trouble?
post #2430 of 6116
[quote=kantonburg]I want my cake and eat it too.

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It's all HD all the time this weekend. Must be easier when 65 becomes 16.
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