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post #5791 of 6116
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Originally Posted by IamMike View Post

Channel 44 is the Home Shopping Network. It's a live feed carrying HSN programming.

A month or two ago I was in town and W44CL-D was carrying nothing but null packets--the digital equivalent of dead air. Glad to hear it has returned.

- Trip
post #5792 of 6116
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

A month or two ago I was in town and W44CL-D was carrying nothing but null packets--the digital equivalent of dead air. Glad to hear it has returned.

- Trip

Well whats wrong with that?

Would this be like an energy wasting machine??
post #5793 of 6116
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I have sent an e-mail off to my friend at WSET.

Trip, did you ever hear back from your friend? I've been without WSET for a couple of weeks now too (via 5-1 W05AA). It's not that big a deal right now, but when the prime time shows start coming back this month I'm gonna be hurting!
post #5794 of 6116
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Originally Posted by appleye1 View Post

Trip, did you ever hear back from your friend? I've been without WSET for a couple of weeks now too (via 5-1 W05AA). It's not that big a deal right now, but when the prime time shows start coming back this month I'm gonna be hurting!

I sent it less than 12 hours ago on a holiday weekend. Be patient.

- Trip
post #5795 of 6116
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Originally Posted by wdbjalan View Post

Well whats wrong with that?

Would this be like an energy wasting machine??

Haha, some people actually like home shopping. I'm not one of them, but I know they're out there.

- Trip
post #5796 of 6116
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I sent it less than 12 hours ago on a holiday weekend. Be patient.

- Trip

Oops, sorry Trip, I didn't look at the time you sent it! It was on a previous page for me so I guess I thought it was days ago.

I sent an email to engineering off their "contact us" page on the website, but I don't hold out any hope for that. I've tried that for things before and never got responses from them.
post #5797 of 6116
Hey, it turns out WSET did reply to me this morning! Kudos to them for doing so.

They said:

"We are aware of the issue. We hope to have it resolved later today."
post #5798 of 6116
And they're back.

5-1 and 5-2 from W05AA are working now. Still weak as ever for me but at least I can receive them (there's a big mountain between me and Thaxton so W05AA is the only way I can get WSET.) They're peaking barely in the green on my tuner (TiVo Premiere), even with a big outdoor antenna, but that's acceptable most of the time.

Trip, thanks for your help in emailing them.
post #5799 of 6116
13-1 and 13-2 are back for me as well. Strangely, I am now getting a signal at 70-75%, much better than before. Thanks for your help Trip.
post #5800 of 6116
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You're most welcome, and it would seem you actually were watching W05AA.

- Trip
post #5801 of 6116
Greetings. I am in Lynchburg and I get the major networks at about 80% signal strength on average. I also get this same strong signal for WSLS.

I've noticed the same phenomenon for years on NBC, WSLS 10.1. I get noticeable pixellation, off and on, throughout broadcasts of sports. I even remember posting this same question years ago when I was watching the Olympics on NBC. It looks like you're watching a movie on youtube, let's say, and then your computer hasn't cached quite enough yet and it gets blocky for a bit. It is kind of frustrating really!

Now this is ONLY on WSLS. And I get everything with good signal strength. The only thing I can think is that my tv is 720p and perhaps it's a 1080i broadcast? I don't know if WSLS broadcasts in 1080i but it was just a thought.

Anyone have any ideas?
post #5802 of 6116
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Originally Posted by lburgguy View Post

Greetings. I am in Lynchburg and I get the major networks at about 80% signal strength on average. I also get this same strong signal for WSLS.

I've noticed the same phenomenon for years on NBC, WSLS 10.1. I get noticeable pixellation, off and on, throughout broadcasts of sports. I even remember posting this same question years ago when I was watching the Olympics on NBC. It looks like you're watching a movie on youtube, let's say, and then your computer hasn't cached quite enough yet and it gets blocky for a bit. It is kind of frustrating really!

Now this is ONLY on WSLS. And I get everything with good signal strength. The only thing I can think is that my tv is 720p and perhaps it's a 1080i broadcast? I don't know if WSLS broadcasts in 1080i but it was just a thought.

Anyone have any ideas?

I would guess that whoever provides the feed to SLS is compressing and that is what you are seeing. Does it mainly happen during fast motion?

The Olympics should have been amazing looking but it was rife with compression when I saw it.

I don't think that 1080i to 720p conversion would do that.
post #5803 of 6116
I googled the NBC thing and it is a known issue that others are calling "macroblocking". Apparently NBC is compressing their signal significantly. I absolutely HATE it! I watched football on all three networks this weekend and NBC's was very irritating with the compression. It was like watching a youtube video that kept going from acceptable to blocky/blotchy all day long.

My question is this: is there an effective way that one consumer could tell NBC that their HD quality during sports broadcasts sucks?

I guess it is free and at least I found out it's not my tv.
post #5804 of 6116
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Originally Posted by lburgguy View Post

I googled the NBC thing and it is a known issue that others are calling "macroblocking". Apparently NBC is compressing their signal significantly. I absolutely HATE it! I watched football on all three networks this weekend and NBC's was very irritating with the compression. It was like watching a youtube video that kept going from acceptable to blocky/blotchy all day long.

My question is this: is there an effective way that one consumer could tell NBC that their HD quality during sports broadcasts sucks?

I guess it is free and at least I found out it's not my tv.

I guess Trip can verify, but I recall reading that WSLS 10-1, owing to the fact that they split their signal among three subchannels, has one of the lowest bitrates in the area among primary channels for the major broadcast networks. I wonder if they are taking an already compressed signal that is complained about nationally and making it worse.
post #5805 of 6116
I have never watched football on WSLS, but what you're describing is exactly what I see on WXII and WNCN and what I have seen on WPTZ, WNBC, WHDH, and WTVM.
post #5806 of 6116
Thread Starter 
WSLS is pretty compressed, only WBRA is worse.

- Trip
post #5807 of 6116
I will look and see what I can do about that at WBRA.

-David S.
post #5808 of 6116
Hello David,

Welcome to this thread and (I assume) the Roanoke Area. Your observations will be very much appreciated..

After you get involved in this issue, I would love to hear the justification for keeping 15.2. It may have had a purpose during the transition but now it is a center cut, SD version of .1. All it does is consume bandwidth.

The reason that WSLS created .3 is obviou$.
post #5809 of 6116
Thanks, Pete for the welcome to the thread, but I am not new to the area. I have been at Blue Ridge PBS for just over a year and a few months. I was with another commercial station for about 10 years prior to this gig. As far as the 15.2 simulcast it was used for some of the 207 cable head ends that we cover in the states of VA, WVA, KY, TN, NC which is our coverage area to use since at the time of HD transition some of the smaller cable companies couldn't take the HD signal to use on their system. I am in the process of contacting all of them to see if they still need the signal. Stay Tuned!

David S.
post #5810 of 6116
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Here's hoping you can dump it soon!

- Trip
post #5811 of 6116
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeEng View Post

Thanks, Pete for the welcome to the thread, but I am not new to the area. I have been at Blue Ridge PBS for just over a year and a few months. I was with another commercial station for about 10 years prior to this gig. As far as the 15.2 simulcast it was used for some of the 207 cable head ends that we cover in the states of VA, WVA, KY, TN, NC which is our coverage area to use since at the time of HD transition some of the smaller cable companies couldn't take the HD signal to use on their system. I am in the process of contacting all of them to see if they still need the signal. Stay Tuned!

David S.

207! Wow... The PBS station here in SE VA did the same thing for the same reason but dropped the simulcast a while back...
post #5812 of 6116
Been a while since I've been on the board, but we are (finally) off satellite and I'm looking to see if I can get all the majors at my house in Blacksburg. WDBJ and WSLS are fine WFXR and WBRA are dodgy, and WSET seems hopeless.

I sit just over the ridge on the south side of town, looking over Ellett valley, so I don't have obstructions. Is anyone else able to get both WBRA and WSET - what antenna are you using? (and who did WBRA piss off at the FCC to get VHF Ch. 3?!?)

I've got a 4228 and an amp, but that obviously leaves out WBRA. I also have a 1970s(?) era channel master 200X? monster that can't seem to get WSET. I've tried combining them but I lose WSET. I've even tried putting a lowpass filter on the 200X, thinking I could be getting a little UHF out of phase with the 4228, but no joy.
post #5813 of 6116
I made a homebrew antenna for PBS since it, at the time, was the only station broadcasting in the VHF range and I didn't want to dump a lot of money into a second antenna. I cut two lengths of copper wire to be "in tune" with the VHF-3 frequency, hung them with plastic clips along the upper trim of my home, connected the two legs with a balun, and connected the balun with a signal combiner to tie into a 4228 (amplified). This was the strongest signal of all available in the area using a Silicon Dust network tuner. You can find a calculator online to determine the appropriate dipole length. Did WSET ever make the switch to VHF-13?
post #5814 of 6116
At my house, a fairly poor location for reception, I get all the local channels. I use a really old all-channel antenna for WBRA and WSET. It has 9 elements for VHF. It is no more than 20 feet off the ground. WSET is my most marginal channel, but I have enough signal to split 3 ways with an amplifier and sensitive receivers--2 converter boxes and a 2010 model Samsung LCD TV. Converter boxes and some newer TVs have MUCH better tuners than older TVs.
post #5815 of 6116
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Originally Posted by Jordan View Post

I sit just over the ridge on the south side of town, looking over Ellett valley, so I don't have obstructions. Is anyone else able to get both WBRA and WSET - what antenna are you using?

I've got a friend who's a grad student at VT and WBRA is his strongest signal and before his current antenna got damaged, received WSET as well. His current antenna is whatever happened to be on the house when he moved there, which was pretty old.

With the proper VHF antenna, I would imagine WSET and WBRA should be feasible depending on your exact location. I admit I'm not terribly familiar with the geography in the NRV.

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(and who did WBRA piss off at the FCC to get VHF Ch. 3?!?)

Well, a computer program assigned the original DTV allotments, and some stations just happened to get stuck with low-VHF allotments. The real question is, who in the management at WBRA was stupid enough to stay on channel 3 after the transition? Yes, I know it would have been expensive to move, but the benefit would have been to not lose most of the over-the-air viewers.

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Originally Posted by Lerronious View Post

Did WSET ever make the switch to VHF-13?

Yes, in October 2009.

- Trip
post #5816 of 6116
Hi, my first post on this forum, although I've been reading for about three years and learned a lot. I got a 515 for Christmas and have been very happy with it. I had noticed an occasional problem getting enough signal on WBRA, even though it was fine on my Vizio and a Zenith converter box that feeds a Mag MWR 10D6. Its definitely gotten worse lately, but I was surprised to see a much lower signal on that channel (peaks at 16) than I'm getting on the Zenith (no number, but at least mid-scale). The other OTAs seem to track much more closely on the 2 different devices. Does the 515 tuner not do as well on that end of the spectrum? Any ideas?
post #5817 of 6116
Thread Starter 
Given how few stations reside in the low-VHF band (less than 40 full-power stations nationwide, with more than half of those on 5 and 6), it would not surprise me if some tuners were not well-built or well-tested for that band.

You'll probably want to look into a bigger antenna for WBRA. There's no such thing as "too big" when you start talking about trying to receive low-VHF.

- Tripp
post #5818 of 6116
What parts of NC is WBRA shown in on cable/satellite? I would like another PBS option, but the size of VHF antenna I would need might be frowned upon by my landlord.
post #5819 of 6116
Caswell County (Yanceyville) is the only place in NC that carries WBRA on digital cable on Channel 252 I think.
post #5820 of 6116
rI eceived a letter from Comcast Saturday. They are dropping analog channels in the Martinsville/Henry County market starting about March 6, to be complete about April 17. They appear to be keeping digital versions of SD channels for now. SD FNC is letterboxed. I'm surprised that more channels don't do that. There will HD channels of almost everything.
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