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post #7921 of 8020
Why not order a cheaper FM antenna from Antennacraft, Winegard, or Antennas Direct? Solid Signal also carries these models at a much lower price. Also MCM has an FM Omni on sale. Or is that Pixel version a better choice?
post #7922 of 8020
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Why not order a cheaper FM antenna from Antennacraft, Winegard, or Antennas Direct? Solid Signal also carries these models at a much lower price. Also MCM has an FM Omni on sale. Or is that Pixel version a better choice?

I listen to a lot of radio and this antenna is supposed to be really good for AM. There are a fair amount of good AM stations in this market (I know that is hard to believe these days). Can get them in the car, hard in the house.
post #7923 of 8020
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Originally Posted by Dominic26 View Post

I listen to a lot of radio and this antenna is supposed to be really good for AM. There are a fair amount of good AM stations in this market (I know that is hard to believe these days). Can get them in the car, hard in the house.
I get good AM reception in the car, but lose the signal due to interference in the house. You may want to try one of those tunable loop AM antennas. RadioShack sells a Grundig model, and Terk also has one online. They can work pretty good.
post #7924 of 8020
It's here. ME-TV is now on WLLA 64.3. It looks like RTV is still on 64.2. From what I can see of the line up, it looks like the shows are from the following catalogues; 20th Century Fox, CBS/Paramount and Universal. With Universal, that leaves Antenna TV, 17.2, with only Columbia/Sony. Picture and sound quality are pretty good.
post #7925 of 8020
Thread Starter 

I checked it out last night and MASH was on between 7 and 7:30.  Reminded me of when I was a kid and MASH was on syndication during that time every day.  Seemed to come in pretty well, just a couple glitches.

post #7926 of 8020
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Originally Posted by bonscott87 View Post

I checked it out last night and MASH was on between 7 and 7:30.  Reminded me of when I was a kid and MASH was on syndication during that time every day.  Seemed to come in pretty well, just a couple glitches.

Some days are better than others. Last Friday it was unwatchable cutting out constantly.
post #7927 of 8020
I'm trying to set up an OTA antenna and am wondering if anyone has had success with reception of WZZM (ABC channel 13) off the back of a HI-VHF/UHF antenna such as the Channel Master CM 2018 pointed south at NBC, CBS, & FOX ? Or would I need something pointed at ZZM's antenna? I'm open to suggestions. The location is in zip 49503. The antenna would be mounted on a chimney about 25 feet high.
post #7928 of 8020
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Originally Posted by dswierenga View Post

I'm trying to set up an OTA antenna and am wondering if anyone has had success with reception of WZZM (ABC channel 13) off the back of a HI-VHF/UHF antenna such as the Channel Master CM 2018 pointed south at NBC, CBS, & FOX ? Or would I need something pointed at ZZM's antenna? I'm open to suggestions. The location is in zip 49503. The antenna would be mounted on a chimney about 25 feet high.

I am not far from you and I get WZZM with my antenna facing South about 25 ft up on the roof.

Having said that, there are other things to consider. You say "...on a chimney about 25 feet high." That's all relative if you are at the bottom of a hill. Example: (I will assume you know where I am talking about) Fuller going North from Knapp. In this case you are going into a valley where 25 ft off the ground will not be 25 ft 1 block away. On the SE corner of Knapp & Fuller you have the Walgreens. An antenna on that roof has about a 30 - 40 ft height advantage over a house only 1/2 a block North. That advantage does not disappear until Fuller reaches Plainfield. Another factor is trees. I grew up in NJ only 8 miles from Manhattan, and I have never seen so many trees in a "city" as I have seen in Grand Rapids. Everything looks "suburban" once you leave downtown. How tall and dense are the trees around the house? This does not mean you can't get WZZM.

These are probably the 2 most common problems around here. You should add a rotator to the antenna. This way you can turn the antenna toward WZZM's transmitter when needed. Under certain conditions, especially weather, we have to turn for WZZM and WGVU. When the antenna is facing the transmitter, there is a huge difference. With the rotator you should get CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, PBS, ION and the two independent stations stations (about 2 doz with sub stations). Give it a try and let us know.
post #7929 of 8020
Dominic26

I don't think elevation will be a problem but trees to the south are a definite problem (unless we can cut down neighbor's trees). I'm doing this planning from Texas and was hoping to keep the installation simple. A rotator with power connections complicates this. Another idea I've been considering is to have two antennas--one pointing south and the other at ZZM. The problem is finding the right coupler/combiner. Then there is also the question of whether directional antennas will be so directional that the PBS signal (off the edge of the antennas) will be a problem. It looks like my goal of a simple install may not be possible.
I'm interested whether others have had success with multiple antennas.
post #7930 of 8020
Well, here is about the only reason I find myself saying I am happy to live in the Kalamazoo area. For reception I only have to point my OTA toward GR and I get em all...
post #7931 of 8020
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Originally Posted by dswierenga View Post

Dominic26

I don't think elevation will be a problem but trees to the south are a definite problem (unless we can cut down neighbor's trees). I'm doing this planning from Texas and was hoping to keep the installation simple. A rotator with power connections complicates this. Another idea I've been considering is to have two antennas--one pointing south and the other at ZZM. The problem is finding the right coupler/combiner. Then there is also the question of whether directional antennas will be so directional that the PBS signal (off the edge of the antennas) will be a problem. It looks like my goal of a simple install may not be possible.
I'm interested whether others have had success with multiple antennas.
There is one possible option. Can you still purchase a "Grand Rapids" style antenna? It is 3 antennas stacked on a pole with a combiner. If you want that option, check Solid Signal. They are on the web and are in Eastern Michigan. You can call their CSR's who may be able to help.
post #7932 of 8020
I have a question related to Comcast -- Does anyone know how the channel lineup changed this year in the Grand Rapids area?

I have the Digital Economy package. Was happy with it. Over the past few weeks, I've been occasionally getting no signal (just gray) when trying to tune Fox Sports Detroit (48), during the Tigers' games. I thought they were pulling something funny (like a blackout for some games that shouldn't happen in the market) so I called them.

I got fed what I think is a line --that due to channel lineup changes this year, I don't get FSD anymore. This is the non-HD channel, mind you, one. Comcast's listed channel lineup online in PDF still says I should get it, along with several other channels we no longer get --but this one especially galls me, because it's on the Expanded Basic tier for heaven's sake. They told me it happened earlier this year, and it must have been an oversight that I was still getting the channel sporadicaly.

Tomorrow, I'm calling my folks across town to see if this is true --but they wanted to try and get me on a promo for a better package; of course, the promo lasts six months before they kick my prices into the stratosphere (I've been told I should call back then to "get a new promo"). I got the employee ID, but they couldn't give me a ticket number, though I insisted a supervisor contact me, which is supposedly scheduled for Monday.

Has anybody heard of this? Right now, I'm pretty frustrated.
post #7933 of 8020
Not surprising, Comcast really sucks. Glad I have Charter.
post #7934 of 8020
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf15 View Post

I have a question related to Comcast -- Does anyone know how the channel lineup changed this year in the Grand Rapids area?

I have the Digital Economy package. Was happy with it. Over the past few weeks, I've been occasionally getting no signal (just gray) when trying to tune Fox Sports Detroit (48), during the Tigers' games. I thought they were pulling something funny (like a blackout for some games that shouldn't happen in the market) so I called them.

I got fed what I think is a line --that due to channel lineup changes this year, I don't get FSD anymore. This is the non-HD channel, mind you, one. Comcast's listed channel lineup online in PDF still says I should get it, along with several other channels we no longer get --but this one especially galls me, because it's on the Expanded Basic tier for heaven's sake. They told me it happened earlier this year, and it must have been an oversight that I was still getting the channel sporadicaly.

Tomorrow, I'm calling my folks across town to see if this is true --but they wanted to try and get me on a promo for a better package; of course, the promo lasts six months before they kick my prices into the stratosphere (I've been told I should call back then to "get a new promo"). I got the employee ID, but they couldn't give me a ticket number, though I insisted a supervisor contact me, which is supposedly scheduled for Monday.

Has anybody heard of this? Right now, I'm pretty frustrated.

The point of a Digital Economy package is to provide savings to people, which means excluding the most expensive channels.This means it doesn't include ESPN or regional sports networks.

You probably never should have been receiving FSN Detroit, and if you want this programming, you'll likely have to switch to Digital Starter to get it.
post #7935 of 8020
Ok, I have noticed two changes. Bounce is now on 8.2 and 64 has flip-flopped MeTV and Retro. Now I have 1 problem. Does anyone know what is going on at TVFool? It is not responding to any local GR zip codes. I want to fine tune my antenna roator for WSXP (15.1).
post #7936 of 8020
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Originally Posted by Dominic26 View Post

Ok, I have noticed two changes. Bounce is now on 8.2 and 64 has flip-flopped MeTV and Retro. Now I have 1 problem. Does anyone know what is going on at TVFool? It is not responding to any local GR zip codes. I want to fine tune my antenna roator for WSXP (15.1).

Hey, I noticed the same thing on TV Fool. The coordinates section of the site still works, although a pain to use.
post #7937 of 8020
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

Hey, I noticed the same thing on TV Fool. The coordinates section of the site still works, although a pain to use.

Where do I find my coorinates to plug in (Mapquest, Google Maps, Google Earth, etc)?
post #7938 of 8020
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

Hey, I noticed the same thing on TV Fool. The coordinates section of the site still works, although a pain to use.

Yes. It's a pain and I did find my coordinates. And should I use the True or magnetic Azimuth?

Bonus question. Does anyone know what W48CL (48.1) is about?
post #7939 of 8020
WOTV 41 is having an annoying audio pop issue on the main channel but not the sub channel. I confirmed the pop on OTA and Directv..
post #7940 of 8020
Hello,

I have a Winegard MS100 antenna on my roof, and had a working Winegard 269 pre-amp. With that configuration, I was able to pick up most channels I should be getting according to this TV Fool report, with the exception of Channel 43 and it's substations. About a month ago, my preamp went out. I don't know if it was struck with lightning or what but it doesn't work now. Without that preamp attached, I now cannot get Channels 13, 43, and 64 (and their substations). Occasionally, channel 3 will also go out.

So do I need a new antenna or just a new preamp? If just the preamp, which should I purchase? My primary concern is getting channel 13 back, but I'd also like to get channel 43 as well. For the reference of anyone familiar with the area, I live about 2 miles due west from the airport.
post #7941 of 8020
You say your pre-amp went out but you didn't mention if you by-passed it. An unpowered or defective pre-amp is a very good attenuator. You would be lucky to get anything. If you haven't taken it out of the circuit and by-passed it, you should, I'll bet you get all your channels back.
post #7942 of 8020
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Originally Posted by TV8 View Post

You say your pre-amp went out but you didn't mention if you by-passed it. An unpowered or defective pre-amp is a very good attenuator. You would be lucky to get anything. If you haven't taken it out of the circuit and by-passed it, you should, I'll bet you get all your channels back.

Thanks for the reply! Yes, I did take down the preamp and ran the line straight to the antenna. In that configuration, I'm getting most of the channels I did receive except for channels 13 and 64 (and substations). I think channel 54 also went out, but I'm not sure as I never really watched that. With a functioning preamp, I was able to get channels 13 and 64.

The reason why I'm wondering if it's also an antenna issue is that I've never been able to get channel 43 (ION). I'd really like to get that channel as well.
post #7943 of 8020
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Originally Posted by enigmaingr View Post


The reason why I'm wondering if it's also an antenna issue is that I've never been able to get channel 43 (ION). I'd really like to get that channel as well.

Channel 43's tower is located near the intersection of M66 and Coats Grove Road just north of Nashville, MI. I don't know your location, but this may be significantly farther away than the channels (3,8,17, etc) that you do receive, whose towers are near Gun Lake. It may take putting your antenna up higher to get 43, or a directional antenna pointed in the correct direction.
post #7944 of 8020
I have not used my roof top antenna in almost a year. I just found that the free local TV channels I was getting through my Comcast internet cable are no longer on or working. I was getting the $55 internet only package which gave me almost 20 TV channels for free.

Now I have had to resort back to my roof top Royal 17 antenna and I can not get WoodTV channel 8 or CBS channel 3 at all. I get Wzzm 13, Fox 17, GVSU 35 and a few others....but even after re-aiming the antenna....I can not at all get a signal lock on 3 or 8.

Did something change recently in the past year to the towers or signals they broadcast? I am in north Grand Rapids by Belmont area.
post #7945 of 8020
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Originally Posted by Rich215 View Post

I have not used my roof top antenna in almost a year. I just found that the free local TV channels I was getting through my Comcast internet cable are no longer on or working. I was getting the $55 internet only package which gave me almost 20 TV channels for free.

Now I have had to resort back to my roof top Royal 17 antenna and I can not get WoodTV channel 8 or CBS channel 3 at all. I get Wzzm 13, Fox 17, GVSU 35 and a few others....but even after re-aiming the antenna....I can not at all get a signal lock on 3 or 8.

Did something change recently in the past year to the towers or signals they broadcast? I am in north Grand Rapids by Belmont area.

I would suspect that the vhf portion wiring of the Royal 17 is not attached anymore and that is why. Look at the wiring of the array.
post #7946 of 8020
Have you rescanned? Comcast recently shuffled around where the clear QAM channels were in my area. This is the first time that has happened in recent memory for me.
post #7947 of 8020
Has anyone had this experience: I have a rooftop antenna connected to our main TV. I could never get Channels 43.X (Ion), even after replacing a pre-amp. This past weekend, I connected another TV to the antenna system. For some reason, I now get a lot more channels - including Ion and even the Lansing CBS and NBC affiliate. The only thing that changed is me hooking up the other TV.
post #7948 of 8020
Thread Starter 

Can't really say other then perhaps a short or something that is "plugged" by the extra TV or something.

 

However for Ion, I always used to get it very weak, usually would blip in and out but it's been pretty solid for me all summer and I haven't changed anything in my setup.  I think they must have upped their power or something.

post #7949 of 8020
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Originally Posted by enigmaingr View Post

Has anyone had this experience: I have a rooftop antenna connected to our main TV. I could never get Channels 43.X (Ion), even after replacing a pre-amp. This past weekend, I connected another TV to the antenna system. For some reason, I now get a lot more channels - including Ion and even the Lansing CBS and NBC affiliate. The only thing that changed is me hooking up the other TV.

Not all television tuners are equal, some are better built, thus have better threshold sensitivity. I have two Sony sets, one cost much less than the other and the more expensive set's tuner picks up far more OTA stations than the cheaper set.
post #7950 of 8020
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Originally Posted by enigmaingr View Post

Has anyone had this experience: I have a rooftop antenna connected to our main TV. I could never get Channels 43.X (Ion), even after replacing a pre-amp. This past weekend, I connected another TV to the antenna system. For some reason, I now get a lot more channels - including Ion and even the Lansing CBS and NBC affiliate. The only thing that changed is me hooking up the other TV.

Possibly too much signal? Adding the split could drop the levels down to acceptable levels. An amplifier would not normally be necessary with only one connection and a reasonable length run.
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