Phase Technology speakers - Page 2

Patrick has mentioned these to me on another occasion and I'm intrigued with them big time. I just hope my dealer which doesn't carry the line in store can cut me a deal on them given that I'm willing to take a shot at them w/o listening to them.

Patrick, could you PM with what you paid for that setup. That is what I'm leaning towards and then I'll get a Pb2+ from SVS to complete the setup.

Also what kind of receiver/amp are you using to power them?

Shane you have a PM!

I forgot to mention in the PM that I'm using the Pioneer 55TXi to power them. I use the 47Ai connected to the 55TXi via i.Link. It sounds incredible. Like listening to my CDs for the first time! That's after owning the HK AVR8000, which is a pretty great receiver itself. But the 55TXi/47Ai combo really makes a difference. Jitterless audio over the i.Link connection, and MCACC on the 55TXi is priceless!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I am glad to see some others making the choice. I was in Scottsdale AZ and found Phase Techs. I now own 5 PC3.1s and a pair of PC surrounds. Did not go for the PT woofer got a Sunfire instead. The speakers are set for 5.1 for movies (using the surrounds) and 5.1 for surround audio with the 5 3.1s.

Great speakers.....at least to my ears. After all, isn't that all that matters?

Kevin

avaholic: What's ypur opinion of how the smaller speakers (i.e., V-10 or V-8) with a good sub would work as mains, compared to say the V-12s?

"In my opinion" the lower the mains can go the better you will be able to blend them with a good sub for music. If you are mainly interested in HT, then you can get away with smaller mains. However, many people get a good blend with speakers that only go down to 60-70Hz for music. But, on the whole its much harder because the crossover on the sub needs to be too high, enabling you to localize it better (bad thing).

You can crossover the sub at a lower freq. with a tower or bookshelf speaker that has good low end freq. response, say 40, 50, or 60Hz (good thing). Which will make it harder to localize the sub. If you can find mains that have solid response down to 40Hz, you can run them full range and use the sub, making for a better blend (this can be a little tricky though).

I have not heard either the V-10 (35Hz -3dB)or the V-8 (44Hz - 3dB). But I would image either would blend well with a good sub. If I had to pick, I'd go with the V-10.

Hope this helps,
Patrick

I'm wondering if any of you are having the same problem I am in my area. I'm in the central Florida area and the Phase Tech dealers in my area only do special orders for Phase Techs. IMO, not much point in having a line in a B&M store where you can't friggin go listen to the speakers. And I don't mean not having a particular line to demo...they all have none at all to demo.

So, if anyone in the central Florida area reads this and has some advice on where to go listen to some Velocity and PC series speakers, I'm listening. I really don't feel I should have to drive several hours to listen to a pair of speakers.

skellyo: I have the same problem here in Salt Lake. There is one authorized dealer, but they have no Phase Technology speakers in the store.

avaholic: I'm not too worried about blending with my sub as I could crossover at 80 htz, at which I'm unable to localize it and it's well above the lowend of both the V-10 and V-8. I'm more curious if all the other qualities of the speakers would be less using say a V-8 w/sub vs. a V-12 or say the Axiom 60s (e.g., soundstage, imaging, etc).

First off, I would still always recommend using mains that go lower so they can be run full range along with a sub, the bass just blends better IMHO. This after many years of experimenting with countless combinations.

As far as the soundstage and imaging go. Commonly with bookshelves you "can" get better imaging than with towers. But the soundstage "usually" will be wider with good towers. Notice the quotes I used, this is not always the case, it depends on the particular bookshelves and towers. And this has just been my experience over the years with the products I owned. Since I have not heard the V-10 or V-8's, I'd just have to assume they sound similar to the V-12. Except that the V-10 and V-8 do not go as low and the V-8 "probably" does not have as wide as a soundstage as the V-10 or V-12.

Now as far as the Axiom M60s go, I had a pair, and the soundstage just did not cut it. The problem was not the "width" of the soundstage, but the depth. I like a 3-dimensional soundstage with alot of depth, and IMHO the M60s don't have it. There have been a few others on this forum that have told me they experienced the same with the M60s. Imaging is pretty good. They are detailed as well, but to my ears they were on the "bright" side of detail. I love detail but I hate "bright". The Phase Tech. V-12's give me the detail I love without sounding bright at all.

Lastly, regarding the lack of dealers carrying Phase Techs to demo, I'm going to email the VP in charge of marketing and sales (I was lucky enough to have him respond to one of my inquires) and see what he has to say. I may point him to this thread as well!

Best Regards,
Patrick

I'm in the same boat as the others as the dealer is an installer and doesn't stock any of the products. That and the only ones he says he has for me to demo aren't the Velocity.

I still might buy them but it goes against everything I've stood for as far as listening to them first. That and I don't think he has a form of a return policy. Most folks just buy what he suggests and I understand why.

Does "run the speakers full range with a sub" mean: "set speakers to 'large,' run speaker wire from receiver to speaker connections of sub, and then from there to the speakers"?

Thanks!

the problem in running speakers large with a sub is that you may actually get less bass due to the waves cancelling each other out-I know I'm way over simplfying but some very respected authorities reccomend always seting to small.Of course like everything else its very room dependant,and the best is whatever sounds best to your own ears

Sorry, I should have clarified. It means set the front speakers to "Large" and connect the speakers directly to the receiver/amp. Then also use the subwoofer output of the processor/receiver to your sub to augment the lower frequencies!

This is how I usually run my system for music. For movies it's probably best to set the fronts to "small", because the audio for HT is usually much louder and you might risk blowing the mains if there is alot of low freq. information being directed to the front main speakers.

FWIW, I always set my center and surrounds to "small". For people that have more capable center/surrounds, they usually go "large" all the way around!

Best Regards,
Patrick

This is true to an extent. Actually many "respected authorities" or "audiophiles" recommend not using a sub at all, but using good "full range" speakers for music. That is why in a previous post in this thread I said running speakers full range with a sub "can be tricky". It can get even more tricky if you have multiple subs and have the mains set to "small".

In my particular room, it sounds much better with my speakers running full range, sometimes without a sub, as I've stated earlier! I do agree that in many situations it would be appropriate to run the speakers set to "small" and hopefully with the lowest crossover possible for music, somewhere around 50-60Hz, so the sub is less localizable. Though I know many have success with a 80Hz setting. Like lonwolf615 says "its very room dependant,and the best is whatever sounds best to your own ears"

Anyway, I degress from the purpose of this thread!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Hi all,

Great news! I just emailed the Director of sales at Phase Tech. and here was his response to Dealers not having Demos:

"Hey Patrick,

I certainly remember you.

Thank you for your patience and the link to the forum thread. Also, thanks so much for informing me of the interest in our products and the concern with the dealers who have no demo product. We will find a solution to this for both the customer and the dealer as well. Any dealer of ours has the ability to bring a speaker in for evaluation and return it if they feel the necessity to do so.

We do work with a lot of small custom dealers who typically have no showroom to even demonstrate product. They design whole house systems as opposed to sell boxes and rely on such things as model homes in which to demonstrate, but this is a by appointment only set up. If you know of anyone online that has an interest in hearing something, let them know to call the (888) PHASE-TK number and we'll see what we can work out. It is great that this type of excitement is out there for our product."

Looks like Phase Technology is "stepping up to the plate". They have been very responsive with my inquires. I just emailed them 2 hours ago! And they are sending me out 2 new grills to replace the bad ones I had (which I think were damaged in shipping, but not sure).

Anyway, I hope this helps out!

Best regards,
Patrick

Great news from Phase Tech!

However, I find it very unfortunate that 2 of the Phase Tech dealers in my area are not strictly custom installers only. They both have regular showrooms, just no Phase Tech product in the store at all.

By the way, to anyone with pricing info on the Velocity series, please PM me that information if you don't mind. I've found pricing on the PC series from onecall.com, but they don't have the Velocity series on their site.

Thanks,
Sean

Pricing info for the Velocity line:

hometheaterhifi.com/newsflash/phase-technology-velocity-speakers-9-2003.html

Thanks avaholic!

Sean and others here is the Retail pricing list (It's ok to post "retail pricing" on the board as far as I know):

Velocity Series Line-Up:

V-12 SRP: $500.00 ea. / $1,000.00 pair

V-10 SRP: $375.00 ea. / $750.00 pair

V-8 SRP: $225.00 ea. / $450.00 pair

V-6 SRP: $250.00 ea. / $500.00 pair

V-4 SRP: $140.00 ea. / $280.00 pair

V-SURROUND SRP: $225.00 ea. / $450.00 pair

And here's the Subwoofers:

High-Velocity Subwoofer Series:

HV-1200
Powered Subwoofer - 12
SRP: $600.00

HV-1000
Powered Subwoofer - 10
SRP: $475.00

HV-800
Powered Subwoofer - 8
SRP: $375.00

Hope this helps!
Patrick

Thanks for the pricing info!

By the way, I called Phase Tech and the lady took my name and number and is supposed to call me back tomorrow with possible options to demo the PC and Velocity Series speakers.

Great NEWS!!!

I'm glad I could help, and that Phase Tech. is really Stepping up big time!

Best Regards,
Patrick

skellyo: Please let us know what those demo options are!

I will definitely do that. I'm very interested in hearing them to compare to what others are already on my list. I know my wife would certainly be happier if I found speakers cheaper than those on the top of the list currently (Sonus Faber Grand Piano).

Did you hear from Phase Tech. regarding the Demo options?

Thanks,
Patrick

I have an 18 inch high cabinet that stretches the entire length of my living room wall. On top of the cabinet I have a plasma tv between 2 bookshelf speakers. I would like to replace the bookshelf speakers with full range speakers because I don't want a subwoofer (apt dweller).

The V-12's look very attractive as mains for a 5.1 system; however, I'm not sure whether placing floorstanding speaker on top of an 18 inch high cabinet is such a good idea. The center speaker (possibly the V-6) will be placed in the cabinet right below the tv. Will the tweeters on the V-12's be too high above the center channel to create a seamless soundstage?

Nope, no phone call from them. I did call both jr.com and onecall.com to find out some real pricing info on the PC series. The guy at jr.com seemed eager to deal on the prices.

I did also go and listen to some Energy Veritas 2.2i's today. I really liked them, but for that much money I have a lot of other options.

Sean

Hi Sean and others,

Good news, I contacted the Director of Sales again this (Sat.) morning, about Sean not being called. And he immediately sent me an email.

Here's an excerpt:

"Hey Patrick,

Thanks for the information. Have them contact me directly by email and I'll make sure they get contacted and that things get worked out. I am somewhat available to take emails, except on the weekend, though I saw yours as I was shutting down and wanted to reply, and can make contacts. I do travel but I check emails at the end of the day while on the road. If you or anyone else needs anything during the weekday, you/they can call me too. If traveling, I forward my office phone to my cell phone and can usually return the call within a couple of hours. I can contact the nearest dealer to set up an audition or to contact the customer. I apologize for any inconvenience or ill will we created by not contacting the customer. "

OK, sounds like he ( Mark ) is willing to make things "right".

If anyone wants to contact Mark, shoot me a PM, and I will give you his contact info!

Best Regards,
Patrick

Hi all,

I should mention, I don't always look at my PMs.

So it would be a good idea to post to this thread to let me know you sent a PM.

Thanks,
Patrick

Doh! Sent you a PM in response to your PM.

Sean

Can anyone compare the sound of the PhaseTechs to the Monitor Audio Bronze speakers or the KEF Q series? I need to use bookshelfs in my small room but if you've compare floorstanders it might give me a sense what they sound like. The closest dealer (not even sure they are a stocking dealer) is over 4 hours away from me, dagnabbit.

Bob

avaholic: you have a PM.

Got the PM's

I have not heard the Kef Q series, but I have heard the Monitor Audio line. Many people love detail, I am definately one of them. However, some peoples detail, is another's "bright" sounding speaker. To me the Monitors are detailed but a tad bright.
EDIT: Sorry I didn't mention this before, but other than being a touch bright (to my ears), I really liked the imaging and soundstage. One other thing I did not care for was the low end response. Not as much 'Punch" as the Velocity V-12.

I've heard similar things about the Kef Q series.

That said, to many, neither speaker is bright, just VERY detailed. The Velocity's are perfectly detailed to me. Other peoples ears may not be as sensitive as mine, but I personally love detailed, and "HATE" bright.

In the end you should listen to each speaker you are considering for yourself, in your own room if possible.

P.S. If you have not read my earlier posts (in this thread) regarding the Velocity speakers from Phase tech describing how they sound to me. Please do.

Good Luck,
Patrick