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post #14281 of 14496
But what is so bad about uverse right now? I've read some stuff on the forums and people have reported excellent digital cable quality. This is all I care about in the end...getting good digital cable, good internet and good hd...for a reasonable price.
post #14282 of 14496
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Originally Posted by IhateBestBuy View Post

But what is so bad about uverse right now? I've read some stuff on the forums and people have reported excellent digital cable quality. This is all I care about in the end...getting good digital cable, good internet and good hd...for a reasonable price.

I agree it is a reasonable price.

BUT

ONE: They need to add FSNBA-HD. I need Sharks hockey in HD, along with Warriors, A's, and Giants in HD. Without that, forget it for me.

TWO: Perhaps even a bigger deal for me is the lack of ability to record (let alone watch!) two HD shows at the same time.

Heroes is likely going to be up against 24 when both come back in January. I want to watch both in HD, and tape them both. NO CAN DO with U-Verse. The best I could do is record one in hD, and record the other SD. That is a dealbreaker for me and for most people.

I don't care about being able to watch either one live, but later on Monday night at my convenience I want to watch both in HD. With U-Verse ONLY, this is not possible.

This is a huge problem when they finally add FSNBA-HD and there is HD sports conflicting with HD primetime. Another dealbreaker, especially baseball season with games practically every day.
post #14283 of 14496
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Originally Posted by IhateBestBuy View Post

But what is so bad about uverse right now? I've read some stuff on the forums and people have reported excellent digital cable quality. This is all I care about in the end...getting good digital cable, good internet and good hd...for a reasonable price.

We'll see about it's reliability soon enough. It's fine when it works as long as you don't really care about HD. But everyone will want it to work 24x7. Good luck.

BTW, I am all for them being successful. I just don't think they will be.

thanks,
Mike
post #14284 of 14496
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Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

We'll see about it's reliability soon enough. It's fine when it works as long as you don't really care about HD. But everyone will want it to work 24x7. Good luck.

BTW, I am all for them being successful. I just don't think they will be.

thanks,
Mike

Well, let's see. I've had PacBell, SBC, at&t, DSL for over 6 years now and it was down once for about 3 hours. I've had the same for telephone service in my area for 25 years and that service has never been down.

I'm unsure about your comment "as long as you don't really care about HD." They are offering HD service today. It has been said that they will expand that single HD to double in the near future. We all know that is a sticking point, and so do they.
post #14285 of 14496
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

I agree it is a reasonable price.

BUT

ONE: They need to add FSNBA-HD. I need Sharks hockey in HD, along with Warriors, A's, and Giants in HD. Without that, forget it for me.

TWO: Perhaps even a bigger deal for me is the lack of ability to record (let alone watch!) two HD shows at the same time.

Heroes is likely going to be up against 24 when both come back in January. I want to watch both in HD, and tape them both. NO CAN DO with U-Verse. The best I could do is record one in hD, and record the other SD. That is a dealbreaker for me and for most people.

I don't care about being able to watch either one live, but later on Monday night at my convenience I want to watch both in HD. With U-Verse ONLY, this is not possible.

This is a huge problem when they finally add FSNBA-HD and there is HD sports conflicting with HD primetime. Another dealbreaker, especially baseball season with games practically every day.

I agree. Having a second HD stream (supposedly available in 2007) is a must.

I had a chance to see U-Verse in action and was very impressed with the picture quality of all channels. However, the biggest "wow" factor for me was how fast you could surf through channels, something which brings my 6412 to a crawl.
post #14286 of 14496
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Originally Posted by mazman49 View Post

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However, the biggest "wow" factor for me was how fast you could surf through channels, something which brings my 6412 to a crawl.

Was the surfing with a DVR? All DVRs that I've used have a lag time due to overhead for reinitializing the live buffer causing slow channel changing.
post #14287 of 14496
The problem I see is if even if they do get a second HD stream into the house, what about a 3rd? or a 4th? Over the next few years as your old secondary TV's break down or you get that big fat bonus you've been waiting for at work, chances are you're going to have multiple HDTV's in your house in the near future. I'm not too keen on jumping on board with a company that already has foreseeable growth issues. I see a '550MHz problem' all over again. I've said it before: if you only have one TV in your house then U-verse seems like a very good option. However if you have/want multiple TV's, there are just too many limitiations...even if they add the 2nd HD stream.
post #14288 of 14496
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Originally Posted by hiker View Post

Was the surfing with a DVR? All DVRs that I've used have a lag time due to overhead for reinitializing the live buffer causing slow channel changing.

Yes it was.
post #14289 of 14496
We're kind of hijacking the Comcast thread with our U-verse discussion. I have created a Bay Area U-verse thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...sco++ca+uverse

Why don't we move this over there.
post #14290 of 14496
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Originally Posted by mazman49 View Post

Yes it was.

One point - an IPTV system doesn't tune - it just requests the stream from the server. So the biggest delay in channel switching, even in digital cable is avoided in an IPTV system.

Thanks,
Mike
post #14291 of 14496
Mossberg from the WSJ dumps on the Comcast 3412.

Heh, glad it's not just some crazy tech-heads on this forum....
post #14292 of 14496
Does anyone here know of a comcast package that has locals + HD locals, but nothing else? With all these price increases and lack of HD programming (even in an 860 Mhz) market compared to Dish, I am thinking about switching, but I need to keep my HSI, and Comcast has better local programming and on-demand for the kids programming.

So I am wondering if I could get the best of both worlds and not pay a lot. I am converting back to Sage so integrated both sets of services in all the TV's in the house will not be an issue.

Dish is offering some very aggressive pricing on HD + SD programming now, and is quite a bit lower than comcast for more channels. Local is extra though and limited.

thanks,
Mike
post #14293 of 14496
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Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

Does anyone here know of a comcast package that has locals + HD locals, but nothing else? ...

Limited Basic, about $16/mo + $5/mo for HD STB.
post #14294 of 14496
Is anyone else having a problem with their favorites starting yesterday?

No HD channels will now show up in my favorites list, and when I try to create a new favorites list, it won't even select!

And it's not like the HD channels just got whiped from the list - they're still on the favorites list, they just don't show.

Comcast says this is the first they've heard of it.
post #14295 of 14496
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Originally Posted by hiker View Post

Limited Basic, about $16/mo + $5/mo for HD STB.

I saw that too, but Limited basic doesn't include an STB, so is there another charge for the basic STB fee, or is that avoided this way? Also, given that NBC HD transmits at ch 115 or so, they can't block the analog tier from coming into the house with a filter. It doesn't matter to me because I will be doing all the video distribution from the server via CAT5, but I would think they would want to prevent analog theft in any case.

I assume this would also give me ADS for the local channels too.

Does anyone here have this package?

BTW, do you know where I can find the new comcast rate card for 2007? It's not on their website.

thanks,
mike
post #14296 of 14496
i've done this before and no, there is not other charge for the box. the $5 gets you the box and you'd get Fox,NBC,KRON,CBS,ABC, and KQED in hi-def.

a very good deal.

(i'm now doing this + $9.95 for Digital classic which gets me the addition HD channels of FSNHD, ESPN, ESPN2, INHD, Discovery Home Theater, TNT, MTV, UHD for a grand total of around $32 in Santa clara)

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Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

I saw that too, but Limited basic doesn't include an STB, so is there another charge for the basic STB fee, or is that avoided this way? Also, given that NBC HD transmits at ch 115 or so, they can't block the analog tier from coming into the house with a filter. It doesn't matter to me because I will be doing all the video distribution from the server via CAT5, but I would think they would want to prevent analog theft in any case.

I assume this would also give me ADS for the local channels too.

Does anyone here have this package?

BTW, do you know where I can find the new comcast rate card for 2007? It's not on their website.

thanks,
mike
post #14297 of 14496
Here's the story in the Merc today, re: $80M upgrade:

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Comcast plans $80 million upgrade

Better cable service is on the way to several Bay Area cities that have been saddled with a weaker network in recent years.

Comcast this week announced an $80 million effort to ``turbo-charge'' its cable TV and Internet network in cities including San Leandro, Half Moon Bay, Sunnyvale, Los Gatos and Saratoga over the next year and a half.

Residents of those cities will receive services that had been available elsewhere in the region, such as digital telephone and video on demand. They'll also leapfrog neighboring cities in the bandwidth of their network, jumping from 550 MHz to 1 GHz.

I wonder how real the "18 months" is.
post #14298 of 14496
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Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

I saw that too, but Limited basic doesn't include an STB, so is there another charge for the basic STB fee, or is that avoided this way? Also, given that NBC HD transmits at ch 115 or so, they can't block the analog tier from coming into the house with a filter.

$5 is the HD STB rental fee. If your HDTV has QAM tuner, you don't even need the HD STB. Just pay for limited basic. The analog expanded basic channels are filtered with a notch filter, so you won't get channels 35-70 or so.
post #14299 of 14496
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Originally Posted by c3 View Post

$5 is the HD STB rental fee. If your HDTV has QAM tuner, you don't even need the HD STB. Just pay for limited basic. The analog expanded basic channels are filtered with a notch filter, so you won't get channels 35-70 or so.

Interesting. A good deal indeed... I don't want to cheat Comcast. If I am viewing HD through a QAM tuner in the TV or via an HDHomeRun, I want to pay what I should. Otherwise it's theft an encourages them to do things that make all our lives a lot harder (like encrypting more programming!).

Thanks,
Mike
post #14300 of 14496
Those notch filters are a bit sloppy so you'll probably get half a dozen or so of the Expanded Basic channels located at each end of the notch.

I have Limited Basic with the S3 TiVo and I'm running Sage with the HDHR. I pay Comcast $19.37 per month, which gives me all the locals in HD which is all I want from them.

Have you set up the HDHR yet with Sage? I'm curious what your impressions on PQ are.
post #14301 of 14496
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Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

I don't want to cheat Comcast. If I am viewing HD through a QAM tuner in the TV or via an HDHomeRun, I want to pay what I should.

It's not cheating. The local HD channels are officially included as part of the limited basic service. $5 is for the HD STB rental, not HD service fee. If your HDTV supports CableCard, Comcast would even rent one CableCard to you for free.
post #14302 of 14496
Sorry in advance if this has been posted and I simply can't find it. I've done searches and discovered an open QAM list for Santa Cruz (on the SageTV.com site), but I can't find one for Los Gatos. Before I spring for an HDHomeRun or OnAir GT, does anyone have a list of what's unencrypted and available in Los Gatos? If no one has a list I'll post one once I get whatever box I end up with.
Thanks!
post #14303 of 14496
eelpout--

The lists are not posted because the assignments vary from headend to headend and from month to month at Comcast's whim, so lists are of very limited value. You'll find the clear QAM channels by scanning all 125 (or 135, if your tuner is set up for 860 MHz) of them. Aside from the local OTA HD channels (including all but KBCW and KBWB) you'll find only erratic Video On Demand that your neighbors happen to be watching and the occasional "free preview" of HBO, Showtime, or ESPN. These last are typically for a week or so only.

PS: You'll also find low-resolution digital versions of the analog channels, the so-called ADS channels, if you're interested.
post #14304 of 14496
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Those notch filters are a bit sloppy so you'll probably get half a dozen or so of the Expanded Basic channels located at each end of the notch.

I have Limited Basic with the S3 TiVo and I'm running Sage with the HDHR. I pay Comcast $19.37 per month, which gives me all the locals in HD which is all I want from them.

Have you set up the HDHR yet with Sage? I'm curious what your impressions on PQ are.

Keenan, I am just working on the backend mostly now. I have an MCE system that will act as a Sage client when i convert over, but I want to get the backend stuff worked out first.

The video it captures seems great on playback on my PC's. HD is good, and SD is fine too in a native resolution window. It just captures the digital feed, so the HDHomeRun does no encoding. It's the native resolution of the signal. Think of it like an R5000-HD without the ability to receieve encrypted channels. That's why the HDHomeRun and the R5000-HD are good friends. You use the HDHR tuners for all the programs you can, and then only use the R5000-HD for encrypted programming. It's like hamburger helper in this setup.

thanks,
mike
post #14305 of 14496
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Originally Posted by MikeSM View Post

Keenan, I am just working on the backend mostly now. I have an MCE system that will act as a Sage client when i convert over, but I want to get the backend stuff worked out first.

The video it captures seems great on playback on my PC's. HD is good, and SD is fine too in a native resolution window. It just captures the digital feed, so the HDHomeRun does no encoding. It's the native resolution of the signal. Think of it like an R5000-HD without the ability to receieve encrypted channels. That's why the HDHomeRun and the R5000-HD are good friends. You use the HDHR tuners for all the programs you can, and then only use the R5000-HD for encrypted programming. It's like hamburger helper in this setup.

thanks,
mike

Yes, both devices work very well. My query was more along the lines of PQ when seen on your main display, assuming you're using something other than a PC monitor. I'm sure the HDHR has nothing to do with, but whatever combo of playback decoders chosen within Sage, Nvideo PureVideo, etc. the PQ when seen using a 1920x1080i output is a bit noisy. Doing a direct comparison from the TiVo S3 output to what Sage displays leaves something to be desired, it's just not as "clean" sharp, or clear as the S3 output. I also get macroblocking with close action such as football that I don't get with S3.

My best uneducated guess is that there is something with the Nvidia/hardware/software that's just not up to snuff preventing a clean image from being displayed.

The source hardware, both the HDHR and the R5000 system work perfect and merge well with the Sage system. I only really noticed this difference in outputs since I've had the HDHR as with my Star Choice R5000 setup I never really viewed the SC STB directly as there was no way to use it as a DVR.

Also having a heck of a time with video stuttering with 1080i material with Sage, 720p is fine, but it doesn't have anything to do with the 2 hardware sources, it's something, again, with Sage and/or the playback software.

Anyway, assuming you'll be able to compare the Sage cable output to a direct cable output, I'm curious what your thoughts will be on the PQ, currently, I'm not all that happy with it. I'm very happy with how everything works with the setup, but it's missing that last, most important piece, how it looks on screen.

BTW, are you the same MikeSM that posts at Sage?
post #14306 of 14496
It will be interesting to see as time goes on how much the PC-based tuners will be able to hold up against dedicated decoding devices such as the S3 and STB's. I had a MyHD card about a year ago but ultimately returned it because a) I realized I watched too many encrypted channels, and b) I could never get the quality of the picture up to where I wanted it. I just use my MCE box and nice front-end to the movies/TV shows I've ripped or downloaded. I'm really looking forward to when PC manufacturers begin releasing CableCARD compliant PC's but alas I fear I'm setting myself up (again) for disappointment. Over the last few months, Microsoft and CableLabs have really stripped down the functionality in the initial implementation.
post #14307 of 14496
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Originally Posted by fender4645 View Post

It will be interesting to see as time goes on how much the PC-based tuners will be able to hold up against dedicated decoding devices such as the S3 and STB's. I had a MyHD card about a year ago but ultimately returned it because a) I realized I watched too many encrypted channels, and b) I could never get the quality of the picture up to where I wanted it. I just use my MCE box and nice front-end to the movies/TV shows I've ripped or downloaded. I'm really looking forward to when PC manufacturers begin releasing CableCARD compliant PC's but alas I fear I'm setting myself up (again) for disappointment. Over the last few months, Microsoft and CableLabs have really stripped down the functionality in the initial implementation.

Most people who make such statements about MyHD turn out to be watching its 480p desktop overlay window rather than its actual HD output, which is among the highest-quality HDTV hardware rendering available. If that was not your problem, what are you talking about?
post #14308 of 14496
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Originally Posted by Menzo View Post

Is anyone else having a problem with their favorites starting yesterday?

No HD channels will now show up in my favorites list, and when I try to create a new favorites list, it won't even select!

And it's not like the HD channels just got whiped from the list - they're still on the favorites list, they just don't show.

Comcast says this is the first they've heard of it.

I am having the same issue. Both of my 6412's are having the same issue. The 700 series channels are shown as favorites on the setup screen but do not appear in my "favorites" listings. This has been going on the last few days.
post #14309 of 14496
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Most people who make such statements about MyHD turn out to be watching its 480p desktop overlay window rather than its actual HD output, which is among the highest-quality HDTV hardware rendering available. If that was not your problem, what are you talking about?

No, definitely wasn't the 480p overlay. It was more of a "jitter" picture and instability of the overall system. I never thought the problem was the actual MyHD card, but probably more of the system hardware I was using. I was using my secondary PC which is a P4 1.8GHz but almost all of the parts were "scrapped" from other PC's (i.e. hard drive, memory, etc.). I didn't have the time/patience to try and diagnose at the time.
post #14310 of 14496
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Originally Posted by fender4645 View Post

I just use my MCE box and nice front-end to the movies/TV shows I've ripped or downloaded.

That's basically what my HTPC has been reduced to as HDTV PQ ain't cuttin' the mustard.

I feel pretty certain though that the problem lies with the software, specifically Nvidia, yet others say they have no problem, so I don't know, I play with it every once in awhile at the same time waiting until hopefully someone says "hey, I figured out the problem".
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