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post #14431 of 14496
ok im new here...read as much as i can in a hour due to at work and need answers to a couple of questions.

1. i just got a Sony TV with w/ a digital tuner and plug in my cable is got a couple of digital channel along with 3 HD channel. Is there a channel list of all the channel i receive thru comcast?

I know i get
kgo in HD CH 7.?
PBS CH 9.?
NBC is in the 100's

I also get Travel, couple shopping networks, couple news channel, lots of music and animal channel in 480i.

2. Do i still need to buy an Over the AIR Antanna for more HD Channels?


3. Is there any way to decrypt the other stations to receive more HD channel?


also i live in the oakland area.
post #14432 of 14496
I'm passing on the following post by Richard Swank to the "HDTV-in-SFbay" Yahoo Group since it has a lot of interesting information in it.

Larry
SF

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Since Comcast has a major head end located right in the Sutro Building.
KGO-DT/KTVU-DT/KPIX-DT just hand the same signal they feed their
transmitters over to them via no cost hard wire. KNTV-DT is picked up OTA
for Comcast since we are not located on Sutro. KNTV feeds Comcast with
fiber optics for our analog signal.

Both Dish and DirecTV use OTA for the local DTV signals but for the analog
signals everyone uses fiber optic feeds as the primary source with OTA as a
backup. As DTV becomes more of a financial center for broadcasters I'd
imagine the DTV signals to fed to these services via fiber as primary feed
as well. NBC made an agreement with DirecTV and KNTV-DT actually feeds
DirecTV via fiber already. It is the responsibility of the broadcasters to
get the signal to these carriers by the way. Dish and DirecTV are common
carrier and obligated by the FCC to carry these signals but not required to
go out and seek them if not OTA.

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post #14433 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by vodafone19 View Post

ok im new here...read as much as i can in a hour due to at work and need answers to a couple of questions.

1. i just got a Sony TV with w/ a digital tuner and plug in my cable is got a couple of digital channel along with 3 HD channel. Is there a channel list of all the channel i receive thru comcast?

I know i get
kgo in HD CH 7.?
PBS CH 9.?
NBC is in the 100's

I also get Travel, couple shopping networks, couple news channel, lots of music and animal channel in 480i.

2. Do i still need to buy an Over the AIR Antanna for more HD Channels?


3. Is there any way to decrypt the other stations to receive more HD channel?


also i live in the oakland area.

1. no such list from comcast, you'll have to ask other members that live close to you for the "in the clear" list
2. you can also get a digital package from comcast or get a dish with HD. but you would only be able to get OTA channels in the clear from comcast without extra programming.
3. if there were, i wouldn't be paying 80 bucks to comcast.
post #14434 of 14496
thanks for the fast reply.

ok i went here to check on the HD over the air channel in my area. Here is what came up.

yellow - uhf KBWB 20 IND SAN FRANCISCO CA
yellow - uhf KBWB-DT 20.1 IND SAN FRANCISCO CA
yellow - uhf KKPX-DT 65.1 i SAN JOSE CA 228° 13.6 41
yellow - uhf KBCW 44 CW SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1 44
yellow - uhf KBCW-DT 44.1 CW SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1
yellow - uhf KCNS 38 SAH SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1 38
yellow - uhf KCNS-DT 38.1 SAH SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1
yellow - uhf KCSM-DT 43.1 PBS SAN MATEO CA 248° 13.1 43
yellow - vhf KGO 7 ABC SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1 7
yellow - uhf KGO-DT 7.1 ABC SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1
yellow - uhf KTSF 26 IND SAN FRANCISCO CA 227° 13.6 26
yellow - uhf KTSF-DT 26.1 IND SAN FRANCISCO CA 228° 13.6
yellow - vhf KNTV 11 NBC SAN JOSE CA 227° 13.7 11
yellow - vhf KNTV-DT 11.1 NBC SAN JOSE CA 227° 13.7 12
yellow - vhf KPIX 5 CBS SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1 5
yellow - uhf KPIX-DT 5.1 CBS SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.2 29
yellow - uhf KMTP 32 IND SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1 32
yellow - uhf KMTP-DT 33.1 IND SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1
yellow - vhf KRON 4 MNT SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1 4
yellow - uhf KRON-DT 4.1 MNT SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1
yellow - uhf KFSF 66 TFA VALLEJO CA 248° 13.1 66
yellow - uhf KFSF-DT 66.1 TFA VALLEJO CA 248° 13.1 34
yellow - vhf KQED 9 PBS SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1 9
yellow - uhf KQED-DT 9.1 PBS SAN FRANCISCO CA 248° 13.1
yellow - vhf KTVU 2 FOX OAKLAND CA 248° 13.1 2
yellow - uhf KTVU-DT 2.1 FOX OAKLAND CA 248° 13.1 56
yellow - uhf KSTS 48 TEL SAN JOSE CA 121° 26.8 48
yellow - uhf KSTS-DT 48.1 TEL SAN JOSE CA 121° 26.8 49
yellow - uhf KTEH-DT 54.1 PBS SAN JOSE CA 121° 27.6
yellow - uhf KDTV 14 UNI SAN FRANCISCO CA 121° 26.8
yellow - uhf KDTV-DT 14.1 UNI SAN FRANCISCO CA 121°
yellow - uhf KKPX 65 i SAN JOSE CA 141° 50.3 65
yellow - uhf KICU 36 IND SAN JOSE CA 122° 27.6 36
yellow - uhf KICU-DT 36.1 IND SAN JOSE CA 122° 27.6 52

So all i need to do is hook up a Indoor VHF/UHF Antenna and i should be able to recieve those channels listed in the picture.

I don't want to pay any for any new service but just want to get as many HD channel as i can. Is this the way to go?

QAM and OTA Antenna?
post #14435 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by vodafone19 View Post

thanks for the fast reply.

ok i went here to check on the HD over the air channel in my area. Here is what came up.

So all i need to do is hook up a Indoor VHF/UHF Antenna and i should be able to recieve those channels listed in the picture.

I don't want to pay any for any new service but just want to get as many HD channel as i can. Is this the way to go?

QAM and OTA Antenna?

Try the indoor antenna, i guarentee you won't get everything you listed there just because, the signal strength won't be strong inside your home. i set up an indoor antenna too, just because comcast doesn't have CWHD and let me tell you that's about all I can receive, and i'm pointing it 1 inch away from the window. your mileage will vary. check the SF OTA thread too.
post #14436 of 14496
what is a great outdoor antenna to buy?
post #14437 of 14496
Try an indoor antenna first. Since you're in Oakland, I think you would have a good chance of getting the stations from SF and Oakland.
post #14438 of 14496
versusHD is up on 721. took a quick look at the guide today. nothing in HD. yay comcast, way to push your own product first without the appropriate content.
post #14439 of 14496
yeah, i looked quickly this morning and while in 16:9, the quality was clearly SD, at best.


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Originally Posted by nikeykid View Post

versusHD is up on 721. took a quick look at the guide today. nothing in HD. yay comcast, way to push your own product first without the appropriate content.
post #14440 of 14496
I'm getting the Golf channel on 721, is this going to be shared between versus/golf? This is probably near the bottom of my list of channels I'd like to see in HD.

It maybe in SD, but it looks a lot better than the real SD crud on 82.
post #14441 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by btwyx View Post

I'm getting the Golf channel on 721, is this going to be shared between versus/golf? This is probably near the bottom of my list of channels I'd like to see in HD.

It maybe in SD, but it looks a lot better than the real SD crud on 82.

i refuse to call it Versus/golfHD until i actually see some golfHD programming, as far i as know, only NHL (versus) is gonna be in HD for now.

edit: foot in mouth! apparently golfHD will kick start on feb 1 and will broadcast pga events in HD.
post #14442 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeykid View Post

versusHD is up on 721. took a quick look at the guide today. nothing in HD. yay comcast, way to push your own product first without the appropriate content.

So, this has been available for what ... one day and people are already blasting Comcast for this ?? At least you are getting new channels, come on over to a 550 Mhz area and then I could feel you're pain. ESPN-HD still broadcasts some of it's content in a 4X3 format and not HD and they're suppose to be an all HD channel, lets blast ESPN for that. All I'm saying is, give them a chance to get the programing setup and at least enjoy the fact that you got another channel to watch. I don't know why they don't share the bandwidth with FSNBA-HD and Versus-HD in our area. For the most part FSNBA-HD is dead air most of the day, why not make use of that bandwidth ?? Even though I know when my area will be upgraded, I still wish I could get some new channels to justify my cable bill

Laters,
Mikef5
post #14443 of 14496
Versus/Golf-HD is owned by Comcast, easy to understand why that channel has been added as soon as possible over all the other HD channels available.
post #14444 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Versus/Golf-HD is owned by Comcast, easy to understand why that channel has been added as soon as possible over all the other HD channels available.

exactly. i was blasting them for putting this HD channel ahead of so many others, solely because they want versus to be the next ESPN. poor decision, imo until they start feeding more HD content.
post #14445 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikef5 View Post

So, this has been available for what ... one day and people are already blasting Comcast for this ?? At least you are getting new channels, come on over to a 550 Mhz area and then I could feel you're pain. ESPN-HD still broadcasts some of it's content in a 4X3 format and not HD and they're suppose to be an all HD channel, lets blast ESPN for that. All I'm saying is, give them a chance to get the programing setup and at least enjoy the fact that you got another channel to watch. I don't know why they don't share the bandwidth with FSNBA-HD and Versus-HD in our area. For the most part FSNBA-HD is dead air most of the day, why not make use of that bandwidth ?? Even though I know when my area will be upgraded, I still wish I could get some new channels to justify my cable bill

Laters,
Mikef5

MikeF5
Do you actually have a schedule of when the SaraMilGatos/etc... upgrades will be done? All I can get out of Comcast is 'the next 18 months', which is a long time....
Thanks
MikeA (Los Gatos)
post #14446 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeykid View Post

exactly. i was blasting them for putting this HD channel ahead of so many others, solely because they want versus to be the next ESPN. poor decision, imo until they start feeding more HD content.

So Nikey, put yourself in Comcast's shoes. You own a cable company, you have a channel that you own and want it to compete with ESPN for viewership and you are planing on adding more HD content to that channel. But you also have other company's channels that could give you profit but not like you would get with your own channel and content. Which one would you do first ??
Comcast is a business, and is in it to make a profit with as little cost to them as possible, "bottom line" is the thing that dives businesses. It makes sense for Comcast to do this so I don't fault them for it but they do need to get more HD content and sooner rather than later or they will be doing catch up for a long time. The Sat company's are not going to sit on their hands and let cable eat into their profits.
So, yes, I would like more HD , just like you do, and the sooner the better but you have to look at it like a business and see the reasons why they do what they do. I'm not bashing you, I'm just letting you know why Comcast might do what it does even though we might not agree with it....

Laters,
Mikef5
post #14447 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeaymar View Post

MikeF5
Do you actually have a schedule of when the SaraMilGatos/etc... upgrades will be done? All I can get out of Comcast is 'the next 18 months', which is a long time....
Thanks
MikeA (Los Gatos)

There are tentative schedules and nothing is written in stone and I wouldn't be able to say anything about it until it is officially released so yes I have an idea but like I said nothing in stone.

Laters,
Mikef5
post #14448 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeykid View Post

exactly. i was blasting them for putting this HD channel ahead of so many others, solely because they want versus to be the next ESPN. poor decision, imo until they start feeding more HD content.

As Mikef5 notes, you can't blame them, it's all about the Benjamin's.
post #14449 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikeykid View Post

i refuse to call it Versus/golfHD until i actually see some golfHD programming, as far i as know, only NHL (versus) is gonna be in HD for now.

edit: foot in mouth! apparently golfHD will kick start on feb 1 and will broadcast pga events in HD.

But how many pga events are going to actually be in HD? Last year it was only the 4 majors (and the British Open was SD widescreen, so it wasn't really HD). Are there plans to do more this year?

Not that it helps me, being in one of the Comcast 550MHz slums...
post #14450 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mace View Post

But how many pga events are going to actually be in HD? Last year it was only the 4 majors (and the British Open was SD widescreen, so it wasn't really HD). Are there plans to do more this year?

Not that it helps me, being in one of the Comcast 550MHz slums...

John,
Where do you live ?? The SaraMilgatos area is going to be upgraded this year. Funding was approved and it's in progress now in some areas. There's 8 areas that will be upgraded and Comcast has said they'll have it done in 18 months which is ambitious to say the least. There's a whole lot of things that goes into upgrading these systems, more than I really realized but if they can do it in that time frame for all the areas I'll be impressed. So there's hope, not like last year when I was ready to desert cable and go to the Sat's. It just might take a while..
Oh, and SaraMilgatos will be upgraded to 1 GHz so it might be worth the wait

Laters,
Mikef5
post #14451 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mace View Post

But how many pga events are going to actually be in HD? Last year it was only the 4 majors (and the British Open was SD widescreen, so it wasn't really HD). Are there plans to do more this year?

Not that it helps me, being in one of the Comcast 550MHz slums...

There's a Golf-HD channel thread that might have some more info on the channel.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=780943
Golf Channel HD / Versus HD - Now on Comcast! - AVS Forum
post #14452 of 14496
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Originally Posted by Mikef5 View Post

John,
Where do you live ?? The SaraMilgatos area is going to be upgraded this year. Funding was approved and it's in progress now in some areas. There's 8 areas that will be upgraded and Comcast has said they'll have it done in 18 months which is ambitious to say the least. There's a whole lot of things that goes into upgrading these systems, more than I really realized but if they can do it in that time frame for all the areas I'll be impressed. So there's hope, not like last year when I was ready to desert cable and go to the Sat's. It just might take a while..
Oh, and SaraMilgatos will be upgraded to 1 GHz so it might be worth the wait

Laters,
Mikef5

I'm in LG, and I read about the upgrade in the Merc a week or so ago. I thought you said you couldn't talk about the timing, but are you now sayinig our area will upgraded before Dec of this year? If so, that'll be great for next year (I always tack on extra time to these announced schedules), and I'll be very excited when it becomes a reality. Until it actually happens, though, I can't get too excited.
post #14453 of 14496
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Originally Posted by John Mace View Post

I'm in LG, and I read about the upgrade in the Merc a week or so ago. I thought you said you couldn't talk about the timing, but are you now sayinig our area will upgraded before Dec of this year? If so, that'll be great for next year (I always tack on extra time to these announced schedules), and I'll be very excited when it becomes a reality. Until it actually happens, though, I can't get too excited.

The official time frame is 18 months from January for all 8 areas. As with all time frames it maybe sooner or later than that. Like I said there really is a lot of things that go into upgrading these systems, especially all the paper work and building permits that have to be done before you can even start the job. Also things could go wrong and be longer or things could go right and be done sooner. At least now it is going to happen and there is finally light at the end of the tunnel. It's just how long is that tunnel going to be I think it's worth the wait given that we'll be upgraded to the 1 GHz system.

Laters,
Mikef5
post #14454 of 14496
I take a look at cable vs satellite every few months, and so far cable has come out ahead, even being in the slums here. But when the scales tip in favore of satellite, I'll switch in an istance. I don't want to bet on some service that may get here at some indeterminate time in the future. Thanks for the info, though, Mike.
post #14455 of 14496
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Originally Posted by John Mace View Post

I take a look at cable vs satellite every few months, and so far cable has come out ahead, even being in the slums here. But when the scales tip in favore of satellite, I'll switch in an istance. I don't want to bet on some future that may get here at some indeterminate time in the future. Thanks for the info, though, Mike.

I'm in the same boat as you are. Here's a good indicator for the SaraMilgatos area. If I leave cable and go to Dish then I've determined all hope is gone for the 550 MHz areas . Seriously, I've been trying to get Comcast to upgrade our area for 2 years now and finally it's going to happen. Not that I had anything to do with it but I think Comcast is finally realizing that they need to get their systems up to snuff and do it soon or lose their customer base to the Sat companys or worse to AT&T. My advise to you would be hold on for now but if you can get a better deal else where then go for it. I think cable has the best chance at succeeding in the long run and that's who I would put my betting money on

Laters,
Mikef5
post #14456 of 14496
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikef5 View Post

I'm in the same boat as you are. Here's a good indicator for the SaraMilgatos area. If I leave cable and go to Dish then I've determined all hope is gone for the 550 MHz areas . Seriously, I've been trying to get Comcast to upgrade our area for 2 years now and finally it's going to happen. Not that I had anything to do with it but I think Comcast is finally realizing that they need to get their systems up to snuff and do it soon or lose their customer base to the Sat companys or worse to AT&T. My advise to you would be hold on for now but if you can get a better deal else where then go for it. I think cable has the best chance at succeeding in the long run and that's who I would put my betting money on

Laters,
Mikef5

Interesting view...almost sounds like you are playing the stock market ...I think the main reason comcast is upgrading is because people have left them in these markets (550Mhz) because they've got an inferior product...if everybody continued to pay them money as is, they'd happily do nothing (and make an even bigger profit)

Comcast couldnt do anything within 2 years to keep me, and Dish was willing to give me a discount of $20/mth if I came over + more HD + better DVR The 'switch' was pretty painless...2 hours at home from work on a nice day while the guy installed stuff. The discounts are for 10 months...after that I'll see what Comcast has done...I'll come back if the value proposition is back in Comcasts favor...and I bet that at that time Comcast will offer me a nice big discount to come back to them...but if I'd stayed I wouldnt be getting a discount..hmmmm.

Anyway, my 2 cents....and I hope comcast does the upgrade in Saratoga fast...only ~7 months of discounts from Dish left

ps....I do appreciate the effort that you've put into this, and also respect Mr. J for pushing it through...they are squeaky wheels at corporate but they do turn every so slowly when pushed hard enough
post #14457 of 14496
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Originally Posted by davisdog View Post

Interesting view...almost sounds like you are playing the stock market ...I think the main reason comcast is upgrading is because people have left them in these markets (550Mhz) because they've got an inferior product...if everybody continued to pay them money as is, they'd happily do nothing (and make an even bigger profit)

Comcast couldnt do anything within 2 years to keep me, and Dish was willing to give me a discount of $20/mth if I came over + more HD + better DVR The 'switch' was pretty painless...2 hours at home from work on a nice day while the guy installed stuff. The discounts are for 10 months...after that I'll see what Comcast has done...I'll come back if the value proposition is back in Comcasts favor...and I bet that at that time Comcast will offer me a nice big discount to come back to them...but if I'd stayed I wouldnt be getting a discount..hmmmm.

Anyway, my 2 cents....and I hope comcast does the upgrade in Saratoga fast...only ~7 months of discounts from Dish left

ps....I do appreciate the effort that you've put into this, and also respect Mr. J for pushing it through...they are squeaky wheels at corporate but they do turn every so slowly when pushed hard enough

Davisdog,
Cant' blame you for going with Dish, they have a real good selection of HD and their 622 dvr and it's interface are really nice. One of my brothers has Dish and I've played with it alot and if Comcast wasn't going to be doing this upgrade I'd join you but they are and to 1 GHz no less.

I really think Comcast is more worried about AT&T and Version than they are of the Sats and since they have entered the playing field Comcast is having to get up to snuff in all the areas so as not to lose customers to them. I don't think AT&T is going to be a problem for Comcast any time soon, they are having alot of problems with the systems that they've started up. I'm not a fan of AT&T and here's one reason why. Who had this cable system before Comcast ??? Yes, AT&T and they dumped us because they saw no profit in cable so they sold it to Comcast who has done quite alot to upgrade the mess that AT&T left. Also, if I'm not mistaken Microsoft is writing their software for their system.... Not a warm and cozy feeling there for me

Version on the other hand is spending big bucks and doing fiber to the home. That to me could be a cable killer if done right. But from what I've been reading Version is playing hard ball with alot of the cities that they have dealings with and are not making many of them happy campers and it seems they are doing what everyone thought cable would do, cherry picking the areas that they upgrade, not good.

Mr. Johnson, Dave and Sue are the reasons I've stayed this long. Those are the people I have dealt with and they truly do care about our area and doing things right. Anyway, enjoy the Dish HD, I know I've become so jaded that I find it hard to watch anything else

Laters,
Mikef5
post #14458 of 14496
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Originally Posted by davisdog View Post

Dish was willing to give me a discount of $20/mth if I came over + more HD + better DVR The 'switch' was pretty painless...2 hours at home from work on a nice day while the guy installed stuff. The discounts are for 10 months...after that I'll see what Comcast has done...I'll come back if the value proposition is back in Comcasts favor...and I bet that at that time Comcast will offer me a nice big discount to come back to them...but if I'd stayed I wouldnt be getting a discount..hmmmm.

Tell me about the DVR you got. I assume it's HD, right? What is the capacity and how much did you pay for it? Did you buy it or lease it from Dish?
post #14459 of 14496
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Originally Posted by John Mace View Post

Tell me about the DVR you got. I assume it's HD, right? What is the capacity and how much did you pay for it? Did you buy it or lease it from Dish?

John,
If you are really thinking of going to Dish, wait until February. On 1 Feb. they are supposedly going to offer the 622 HD Dvr for no upfront cost, right now it's $200 upfront and you get rebated at 10 or 20 dollars a month on your bill.

Some good forums for info are...

http://www.dbstalk.com
http://www.satelliteguys.us

They have alot of information and links to reviews and manuals for Dish. I haven't been there for a while because I've decided to stay with cable but they are the best source for information on Dish.

Laters,
Mikef5
post #14460 of 14496
at least now I can access the golf channel while scrolling through the HD section. I cant wait for pga events in HD as well.
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Originally Posted by nikeykid View Post

exactly. i was blasting them for putting this HD channel ahead of so many others, solely because they want versus to be the next ESPN. poor decision, imo until they start feeding more HD content.
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