Originally posted by bruce can
Good morning mississippi i know the last thing you need from me right now is a point counter point argument . But at least this help illustrate the fact that there are different approaches needs and options and where a good idea in your own circumstance might be a bad idea from another view point.
first off with regards to rolling and spraying!!!! i paint walls both ways vertically, . but if overlapping lines and blending are a problem with spraying!!! they are just as much of a problem rolling!! so that is why when i rolled some screens i found it quicker and it was faster for me to roll horizontally not vertically then horizontally in the same coat !!there is no time!!! latex will tack up to quick but all strokes horizontally then one quick back roll along the length again to blend in roller ridges then you are done . Screen painted in less than two minutes . It matters really nothing to me what direction people paint. i was just pointing out a method i liked it is not wrong, or stupid or even impossible just different from your way .
a better analagy (...use the spell check feature bruce..., I certainly have too!
) would be in what direction would you roll a flat door on saw horses, legnth ways or width ways this is what the guy was essentially doing rolling a screen on sawhorses! simple!! less lap lines and quicker .I would imagine that is what you had in mind when you experimented with your 18" roller vertically . [/b][/quote]
<<<< Most of my screens were far too big to effectively roll the actual 8' to 9' width distance without the paint thinning out over the last part. >>>>
Ok mississippi i will give you one bonus one
for the record i think raw mdf board is a better board to work with but your quote said better than melamine so i'll have to defend that
<<<<<< I use MDF to blend into drywall all the time. That surface, being a true wood product, easily accepts the muds adhesion. I agree wholeheartedly! >>>>>>>
1 but first off you cannot tape a mirror and drywall together either!!!! or any screen for that matter!! you also cannot mud in a silver-star into your wall but why would you want to unless you felt that as a built in it would be a selling feature . [/b][/quote]
<<<<< I could if I wanted to. What I advise against others with less skill and experience doesn't always apply to me. I do MDF & Plywood as a backing for LF whenever the wall is hopelessly crooked. Then I hang it within a cut out hole and let my boarder trim but up against the edges that protrude. >>>>>
2 slick surface and painting !!! are you just teasing me or was this written early in the morning!!! you are painting mirrors for christ sake !!! at least with melamine one quick wipe down with a liquid sandpaper and she is ready to go .
A good cabinet grade melamine is one of the hardest finishes there is . If you are gouging a melamine board it has already gone through your drywall .[/b][/quote]
<<<<< When rolling, due the thicker application of paint, minute scratched disappear quickly under the paint. But spraying only seems to accent defects, at least until you have laid down several layers. >>>>>>
3 well 1/2 melamine and dry wall are so close in weight per square foot it is negligible but a cut 54" by 96" mdf is lighter than a 54" by 12' piece of drywall and easier to carry home as well without worrieing about damage . [/b][/quote]
<<<< Aww cumon Bruce, think man! Of course a 12' piece will weigh more than a 8' peice. Most Rock can be acquired at 54" in 8' lengths, but if not, cutting the end off to 8' prior to hauling takes care of any issues. >>>>>
4 your lucky you had a bonus answer be cause this was one of your better points
but there is no reason to screw anything into the surface is there ? I mean do you put screws in the middle of any screen really !! be it a mirror or silver hawk . If you want hang it i would screw brackets from the back , or if having a permanent screen was truly desirable you could just glue it to the wall for that permanent feel. I personally would not make any screen permanent there is absolutely no benefit but always possibilities of moving or changing projectors or seating or what ever . [/b][/quote]
<<<<< When I do a Home theater, it is part of the Home, not a temporary thing. Almost all are started from the studs out, and are dedicated rooms. A flush mounted screen (my kind, not any Mfg example ) allows for a thinner trim (looks better) that can lie flat to the wall and cozy right up to, or be laid over the flat junction between screen a wall. If a LF screen is applied to such a board or directly to sheetrook itself, the it only is raised up over the wall surface bu 1/8". Also, my drywall finishing abilities allow me to take a hammer, knock a hole in the center of a screen, and refinish it so as you'd NEVER be able to see the repair. Gosh sakes, that sounds like a brag, but it's actually only due to years of experience of having to cut 14' x 8" holes into existing walls to retrofit in Invisible Stereo. from the very beginning, if I could not assure the Client r.e. WIFE!) that they will never be able to tell I did so, I would never dare attempt such. so certain am I of my methods, my retro contracts state that approval of same must be made by the client, or the don't pay the final 50%. Since my Retro contracts often exceed $10,000.00, that's a $5000.00 insurance policy for the Client. Boy, do they jump on that opportunity, actually hoping to call my bluff! But I have never failed to collect a dime under that policy, so judge accordingly.
And remember Bruce, ALL my screens serve duty as the Center channel speaker speaker as well. Using Glue only doesn't result in a firm enough transfer of the screen's back board's mass into the framing. It (...the screen) just sort of floats on the studs. Compressing the material against the studs with screws makes that board transfer resonant energy many time more effectively. Hey, many more posts like these and you'll be ready to become a IS Dealer!
A nd your last comment is where we finally agree on one point. I would not use melamine for a finish screen surface it is too smooth shiny and hot spots , but with a 320 grit sandpaper and slightly sanding just to take the surface sheen off it is actually pretty good , not great!! and only advised if you are bored and just curious as to what it would look like . [/b][/quote]
<<<<Bored? I should be so lucky. >>>>>>>.
Well I have to run Mississippi i didn't even get to give my three points on why it was better than drywall!!!! i was too busy understanding your points . But i am starting to learn how to type and learning some what and still trying to work on my sentence structure and grammar in general .
Have a good day!! and stay away from screens for a while they are too addicting
<<<<<< I've noticed the improvement Bruce, and your a good man for working to improve those skills. Stay away from Screens? Heck, despite my stated intentions, the results from the shootout have me not only answering 10+ PMs a day on that subject alone, what's happening is just as you and a few others stated, immediately after the initial Shootout results were posted, a few of the folks out there who want to save some coin, yet cannot/will not attempt a DIY project themselves are now asking how much it would cost for me to do one up for them and ship it direct. Not wanting to disappoint, and yet wanting to basically honor my original intent places me into a quandary. But it seems that the practical thing to do is to do such when I can, and do so at a truly affordable price for those individuals. I'm figuring that a price that is 3/4's less than a SilverStar ($500.00) complete with shipping container is so fair, even the "I told you so" crowd might still see I'm only helping others who desire that help, not taking undue advantage of the situation. One other aspect is that someone else is sure to jump on the opportunity to do so if I do not, and by doing it at such a low price, and by the originator being the one doing it, it effectively should discourage opportunistic individuals or Companies from doing so. At least for now. What's your opinion on this? At 5 minutes per screen, you need to move to Mississippi right away!
No typing skills required! >>>>>
ps the silver hawk was just a friendly dig