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post #3061 of 9892
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Originally Posted by hearrean View Post

Wow, I sure am glad someone else has been hearing this. I've been driving myself crazy trying to troubleshoot & thought it was my A/V processor. But then I discovered when I switched over to Ch 11 Houston, there was no problem. For this reason, I no longer watch 6-01. And yes it is during 5.1 material, but it doesn't do it on Ch 11 Houston during 5.1 broadcasts.

Ken

It's sad that we have to use Houston channel 11 for hd, when channel 6 is in true 1080i hd . But the sound issues are getting to be to much for me as well. The other issue I have is channel 13 ktrk abc in Houston . Through DISH this channel has had nothing but problems since it premeired back in May of 2005: Green screens, audio reverbs , white pixelations. I am about to redo all of my timers and use channel 11 for my CBS shows and use channel 12 ABC for all of my network shows . Channel 12 doesn't have true 5.1 dolby digital sound but the picture doesn't break up like channel 13 does. Out of all the Houston hd locals ,channel 13 sucks the most. THe other channels, including channel 39 a late hd addition , do fine for the most part with little to no problems at all. I would think that the encoders would function better after 3 years of hd but I guess not. I notice the same problems on DIRECTV on channel 13 as well. Maybe it is just the damn station itself. I can't compare the ota signal to test my theory ,because I have no deep fringe antenna- just the terk 44.
post #3062 of 9892
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Originally Posted by MIKE D-CO5 View Post

It's sad that we have to use Houston channel 11 for hd, when channel 6 is in true 1080i hd . But the sound issues are getting to be to much for me as well. The other issue I have is channel 13 ktrk abc in Houston . Through DISH this channel has had nothing but problems since it premeired back in May of 2005: Green screens, audio reverbs , white pixelations. I am about to redo all of my timers and use channel 11 for my CBS shows and use channel 12 ABC for all of my network shows . Channel 12 doesn't have true 5.1 dolby digital sound but the picture doesn't break up like channel 13 does. Out of all the Houston hd locals ,channel 13 sucks the most. THe other channels, including channel 39 a late hd addition , do fine for the most part with little to no problems at all. I would think that the encoders would function better after 3 years of hd but I guess not. I notice the same problems on DIRECTV on channel 13 as well. Maybe it is just the damn station itself. I can't compare the ota signal to test my theory ,because I have no deep fringe antenna- just the terk 44.

I agree 100%. 6-01's audio is too big a problem to keep me watching it & I have the same problems you have with Houston's ABC HD video. Depending upon my mood, I sometimes put up with it or sometimes I'll switch over to 12-01. I'm kind of a nut about audio though so I hate the fact that 12-01 will not broadcast in DD5.1. I'm just not sure why that is and even a bigger question, will they ever do so?
So I'm with you....it's definately a big aggravation! Maybe we should "move" to Dallas...

Ken
post #3063 of 9892
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Originally Posted by hearrean View Post

I agree 100%. 6-01's audio is too big a problem to keep me watching it & I have the same problems you have with Houston's ABC HD video. Depending upon my mood, I sometimes put up with it or sometimes I'll switch over to 12-01. I'm kind of a nut about audio though so I hate the fact that 12-01 will not broadcast in DD5.1. I'm just not sure why that is and even a bigger question, will they ever do so?
So I'm with you....it's definately a big aggravation! Maybe we should "move" to Dallas...

Ken

I wonder if Dallas is in spotbeam range? I might need to get my "moving"truck .Cue the Sanford & Son music.
post #3064 of 9892
I got an email from the DISH Quality department (dishquality@echostar.com) and they said on the morning of October 27,2008 their engineers will be working on updating some of Channel 13 KTRK's equipment. They want me to monitor what I see that day and report to them what I see . Hopefully this will improve or GOD Dare I ask, FIX the problems on this hd channel. I have been working with DISH on this channel for over 3 years now and counting. I really hope that they can fix this once and for all. Of course wouldn't you know that yesterday, I reset all my timers to elminate both channel 13 and channel 6 ota from my recordings since they both suffer from audio/video problems. Channel 6 is just audio drop outs and pops but channel 13 has audio reverbs, green screen pixelations, white screen pixelations etc. I will report back if they get it under control.
post #3065 of 9892
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Originally Posted by MIKE D-CO5 View Post

It's sad that we have to use Houston channel 11 for hd, when channel 6 is in true 1080i hd . But the sound issues are getting to be to much for me as well. ........

I talked to the CBS engineer and he states that several cities in Texas have this problem. They are not sure what is causing the problem. One station Chicago and one in Ohio have also reported the problem, but it occurs only rarely. CBS is still trying to find the cause and cure. I suspect interference or satellite signal quality issues.

The only thing this proves is that it is not caused by my Dolby equipment. Their (CBS) best current work-around is to remove SS from the equation and provide only stereo. So I thought I'd ask you: would you rather have cruddy SS or clean Stereo until it gets fixed?

I suspect that CBS will not find a cure for some time and I am not willing to wait for someone else to fix the problem. So I will investigate the signal quality possibility; which brings up the following questions:

(1) Did this start before or after hurricane Ike?
My 7 meter CBS dish fell off its mount and I am having to use a different dish until it gets replaced. This could cause a signal quality issue, although I doubt it. Also, it would not explain the other cities having the same problem.

(2) Does this ever occur during local programming?
My Dolby equipment shows the same type of errors during local programs as when CBS in on the air, but it does not seem to affect the local program audio (the Dolby equipment is always looking at CBS, it never looks at local programming).

(3) Does it occur at random intervals, or is it cyclic?
We have what I suspect to be a radar interfering with our CBS signal every once-in-a-while. This causes breakup in our video every 7.5 seconds, so this would be cyclic interference.

Thanks in advance

Richard
post #3066 of 9892
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Originally Posted by hdtv6 View Post

I talked to the CBS engineer and he states that several cities in Texas have this problem. They are not sure what is causing the problem. One station Chicago and one in Ohio have also reported the problem, but it occurs only rarely. CBS is still trying to find the cause and cure. I suspect interference or satellite signal quality issues.

The only thing this proves is that it is not caused by my Dolby equipment. Their (CBS) best current work-around is to remove SS from the equation and provide only stereo. So I thought I'd ask you: would you rather have cruddy SS or clean Stereo until it gets fixed?

I suspect that CBS will not find a cure for some time and I am not willing to wait for someone else to fix the problem. So I will investigate the signal quality possibility; which brings up the following questions:

(1) Did this start before or after hurricane Ike?
My 7 meter CBS dish fell off its mount and I am having to use a different dish until it gets replaced. This could cause a signal quality issue, although I doubt it. Also, it would not explain the other cities having the same problem.

(2) Does this ever occur during local programming?
My Dolby equipment shows the same type of errors during local programs as when CBS in on the air, but it does not seem to affect the local program audio (the Dolby equipment is always looking at CBS, it never looks at local programming).

(3) Does it occur at random intervals, or is it cyclic?
We have what I suspect to be a radar interfering with our CBS signal every once-in-a-while. This causes breakup in our video every 7.5 seconds, so this would be cyclic interference.

Thanks in advance

Richard

Richard:

I can try & answer part of this question now. First I do not recall this happening before Hurricane Ike, but I might be wrong about that.

My wife just swiched over to 6-01 to watch her last CBS soap for the day and so far there hasn't been an issue.
I really can't speak as to the randomness of the problem. I can tell you it doesn't occur at a specific interval like every 7 seconds. So in that sense, it would be random.

When it does occur, it's always during DD 5.1 broadcasts.

We need Mike to speak on some of this to get his input as well. Maybe he can address some of the other questions. Honestly I haven't kept it on 6-01 long enough to check for a pattern since I switch it over whenever the problem gets bad. I'll try & watch for a pattern from here out for the next few days.

Ken
post #3067 of 9892
CBS has scheduled a test for this coming monday (10/27) to try and find the cause of the SS problem. Monday nights' prime time will be the test period.

So I guess the reports of this "Dolby Dropout" (As CBS calls it) occuring on other stations was correct. Maybe it's not my equipment after all.

Richard
post #3068 of 9892
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Originally Posted by hdtv6 View Post

I talked to the CBS engineer and he states that several cities in Texas have this problem. They are not sure what is causing the problem. One station Chicago and one in Ohio have also reported the problem, but it occurs only rarely. CBS is still trying to find the cause and cure. I suspect interference or satellite signal quality issues.

The only thing this proves is that it is not caused by my Dolby equipment. Their (CBS) best current work-around is to remove SS from the equation and provide only stereo. So I thought I'd ask you: would you rather have cruddy SS or clean Stereo until it gets fixed?

I suspect that CBS will not find a cure for some time and I am not willing to wait for someone else to fix the problem. So I will investigate the signal quality possibility; which brings up the following questions:

(1) Did this start before or after hurricane Ike?
My 7 meter CBS dish fell off its mount and I am having to use a different dish until it gets replaced. This could cause a signal quality issue, although I doubt it. Also, it would not explain the other cities having the same problem.

(2) Does this ever occur during local programming?
My Dolby equipment shows the same type of errors during local programs as when CBS in on the air, but it does not seem to affect the local program audio (the Dolby equipment is always looking at CBS, it never looks at local programming).

(3) Does it occur at random intervals, or is it cyclic?
We have what I suspect to be a radar interfering with our CBS signal every once-in-a-while. This causes breakup in our video every 7.5 seconds, so this would be cyclic interference.

Thanks in advance

Richard

1)I don't recall it being a problem before hurricane Ike. But since we are comparing things I do notice my signal strength on channel 6 has dropped since the hurricane and I have more drop outs now than before on video. This morning I noticed a drop out of signal down to 63 from what used to be 85 - 95 signal strength. All other ota channels in our area are back to pre hurricane strengths.

2) I don't watch much local programming on channel 6 except the local news at 6:00pm. I don't hear the drop outs on the news , but it is mostly more on the primetime shows and the national programming like Price is right.

3) When I first tried to watch the Monday primetime shows it was definately cyclic in pattern. Every minute or two the sound would drop out and pop then return .


Yes, I would perfer the stereo sound to 5.1 if it didn't drop out and pop every few minutes.
post #3069 of 9892
I just read where KBTV 4 is going over to the dark side on January 1. They are to become a FOX affiliate. Check it out at http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/ne...0-24-2008.html. My question is this. If 4 will become FOX, then who will pickup NBC? And will that cause us to have 2 FOXes in the area or will 64 cease to be? I guess my real question is NBC coverage.

If some can share some info, I am sure the group will appreciate it as well. Thanks.
post #3070 of 9892
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Originally Posted by hdtv6 View Post

I talked to the CBS engineer and he states that several cities in Texas have this problem. They are not sure what is causing the problem. One station Chicago and one in Ohio have also reported the problem, but it occurs only rarely. CBS is still trying to find the cause and cure. I suspect interference or satellite signal quality issues.

The only thing this proves is that it is not caused by my Dolby equipment. Their (CBS) best current work-around is to remove SS from the equation and provide only stereo. So I thought I'd ask you: would you rather have cruddy SS or clean Stereo until it gets fixed?

I suspect that CBS will not find a cure for some time and I am not willing to wait for someone else to fix the problem. So I will investigate the signal quality possibility; which brings up the following questions:

(1) Did this start before or after hurricane Ike?
My 7 meter CBS dish fell off its mount and I am having to use a different dish until it gets replaced. This could cause a signal quality issue, although I doubt it. Also, it would not explain the other cities having the same problem.

(2) Does this ever occur during local programming?
My Dolby equipment shows the same type of errors during local programs as when CBS in on the air, but it does not seem to affect the local program audio (the Dolby equipment is always looking at CBS, it never looks at local programming).

(3) Does it occur at random intervals, or is it cyclic?
We have what I suspect to be a radar interfering with our CBS signal every once-in-a-while. This causes breakup in our video every 7.5 seconds, so this would be cyclic interference.

Thanks in advance

Richard

Richard - During the Live at Five local news the sound was fine. However watching the CBS National news at 5:30, I just experienced a POP that I have heard during prime-time programming before. This occurred less than five minutes into the news broadcast.

Regards.
post #3071 of 9892
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Originally Posted by cmalberto View Post

I just read where KBTV 4 is going over to the dark side on January 1. They are to become a FOX affiliate. Check it out at http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/ne...0-24-2008.html. My question is this. If 4 will become FOX, then who will pickup NBC? And will that cause us to have 2 FOXes in the area or will 64 cease to be? I guess my real question is NBC coverage.

If some can share some info, I am sure the group will appreciate it as well. Thanks.

Holy crap! That is just stunning news, and very little news reporting. There were almost NO facts in that article. I mean, really, how about asking some damn questions when you interview someone. Are they taking over the Fox affiliate for this area? If not (they're going to be a 2nd affiliate), how is this possible with an affiliate already in the area? And what the heck will happen to local NBC coverage??? IMO, that reporter should look for another line of work.
post #3072 of 9892
If this happens, I guess we can kiss our FOX-HD feed byebye OTA and on Cable. I guess KBTV can 'steal' FOX from KUIL because KUIL is low power? This is very interesting development.
post #3073 of 9892
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Originally Posted by cmalberto View Post

I just read where KBTV 4 is going over to the dark side on January 1. They are to become a FOX affiliate. Check it out at http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/ne...0-24-2008.html. My question is this. If 4 will become FOX, then who will pickup NBC? And will that cause us to have 2 FOXes in the area or will 64 cease to be? I guess my real question is NBC coverage.

If some can share some info, I am sure the group will appreciate it as well. Thanks.

64 analog is already a dark issue....I doubt it will return to the air....As for 4 going to FOX, this really leaves a big gap with NO NBC!!! 7's signal doesnt make it over here...I cannot see how FOX will allow 4 and 29 to coexist where their service contours overlap......29 certainly wont change unless they pull over NBC and KPLC goes FOX..EGADS, has 4 really lost their mind???? Of course they still havent filed for their new tower for their DTV...if they so switch to FOX, it means no stereo and no HD......hmmmph guess I'll keep watching RF36 (64.1).....I GUESS 29/30 could put NBC on a .2 channel but not in HD....
and FOX is 720p while NBC is 1080i............wonder if that was a factor?? (actually, anything is a guess now!)
post #3074 of 9892
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Originally Posted by rodin View Post

If this happens, I guess we can kiss our FOX-HD feed byebye OTA and on Cable. I guess KBTV can 'steal' FOX from KUIL because KUIL is low power? This is very interesting development.

Still doesnt make sense since 29's service contour overlaps 4's bigtime!!!
I just cant see this happening....time to call some friends at FOX and see what is up..
post #3075 of 9892
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Originally Posted by Dr Touchtone View Post

if they so switch to FOX, it means no stereo and no HD......hmmmph guess I'll keep watching RF36 (64.1).....I GUESS 29/30 could put NBC on a .2 channel but not in HD....
and FOX is 720p while NBC is 1080i............wonder if that was a factor?? (actually, anything is a guess now!)

I wonder if this is KBTV not wanting to buy HD equipment. Fox provides the splicer to affiliates (720p + 5.1) at Fox's expense, which takes a decent amount of the expense out of the equation.

I do wonder what will become of NBC. I'm sure it'll land somewhere.

- Trip
post #3076 of 9892
Fox64 will cease being a Fox affiliate in 60 days. They are now trying to replace 4 as the NBC affiliate. In any event, going black is not an option. They lost their Fox affiliation because 4 is high power, has news (Which Fox LOVES) and Nextar already owns 5 other Fox affiliates. But I'm still stunned that they're making the switch... I guess someone at Nextar is a big American Idol fan.
post #3077 of 9892
NBC requires its affiliates to produce local news as well. NBC will only affiliate with a station that doesn't do local news out of last resort. I expect NBC to end up on a subchannel of either KBMT or KFDM.
post #3078 of 9892
WOW.
What a crazy TV news day.
Of course no one with any info will be at the stations today to answer any questions. If somebody gets any new info please post here.
Still stunned that 4 is becoming a FOX station.

On the channel 6 problem. The poping sound also occurs in the analog sound channel, just not as bad. Also for months now on channel 6 national programming the sound will take a huge dip down in volume and then slowly rise back up to normal levels. It drives me and everyone in my family crazy.
This is 6.1 over the air by the way Richard. Just so you know.
post #3079 of 9892
I cant understand why I can get 77% signal from KATC but nothing from KLFY's digital tower. Any ideas? I miss my LSU in HD. =( Thanks...
post #3080 of 9892
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Originally Posted by Bayou Broadcast View Post

Fox64 will cease being a Fox affiliate in 60 days. They are now trying to replace 4 as the NBC affiliate.

Interesting, where did you get your information? This makes it sound like 64 and 4 are just switching. But his also makes it sound like KUIL is the one taking over NBC from KBTV, and not KBTV taking over Fox from KUIL as the original story had it. I don't know, I guess it could be either way.

As long as they swap, I'm ok with that, at least we'll still have both stations OTA.

I tried calling both stations today, got nowhere.
post #3081 of 9892
KBTV has notified the FCC of their plans to build the new DTV tower next to their current tower.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws....&fac_num=61214


Also, they have or are getting a new CE. Rick Tallent is no longer with the station.

Their website states that J. C. Johnson is now the CE.
post #3082 of 9892
I got my information from the station manager of KVHP/KUIL. Channel 4 got the Fox affiliation first and KUIL is trying to get the NBC affiliation so they're not just a syndicated/movie channel.
post #3083 of 9892
Pop, Pop, Fiz, Fiz...Oh what a...Watching 6.1 tonight - CBS Evening News. I heard on numerous occasions in the last five minutes the POP, POP and then volume lowers and slowly comes back up. I think Richard said there were going to do some testing last night. Not sure if that had resolution planned but just wanted to report that the popping still exists.
post #3084 of 9892
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Originally Posted by cmalberto View Post

Pop, Pop, Fiz, Fiz...Oh what a...Watching 6.1 tonight - CBS Evening News. I heard on numerous occasions in the last five minutes the POP, POP and then volume lowers and slowly comes back up. I think Richard said there were going to do some testing last night. Not sure if that had resolution planned but just wanted to report that the popping still exists.

I'll second that.
Popping is driving me crazy as well as the sudden lowering of volume till everybody is whispering. Arrrrrgh!!!
post #3085 of 9892
I no longer watch channel 6 for network programming - only local news. Channel 11 from DISH is my main channel for network programming. Until Channel 6 gets around to fixing the audio problems , this is my solution.
post #3086 of 9892
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Originally Posted by MIKE D-CO5 View Post

I no longer watch channel 6 for network programming - only local news. Channel 11 from DISH is my main channel for network programming. Until Channel 6 gets around to fixing the audio problems , this is my solution.

I don't think it's 6's problem. I think it's a CBS problem on their new equipment. I've been hearing about this problem all over the US as stations transition to the new CBS equipment. I'm sure KHOU will be moving that way soon enough.

- Trip
post #3087 of 9892
I sure hope not. Right now the audio and picture quality is fine on channel 11.
post #3088 of 9892
From what I'm told, it's a software bug in the new equipment that CBS stations are receiving. My local CBS started getting complaints on it when they moved over to the new equipment, and is waiting on a patch from the manufacturer.

I've heard from viewers of an ever-increasing number of CBS stations with similar complaints. It's in various places on the forum.

- Trip
post #3089 of 9892
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

From what I'm told, it's a software bug in the new equipment that CBS stations are receiving. My local CBS started getting complaints on it when they moved over to the new equipment, and is waiting on a patch from the manufacturer.

I've heard from viewers of an ever-increasing number of CBS stations with similar complaints. It's in various places on the forum.

- Trip

I suspect that you might be right about it being a satellite receiver problem. But my new digital receivers has been installed for a few months, and this problem started not that long ago. So I am not too sure. I am still trying to locate the problem on my end. If it is "THEM", I hope CBS solves the problem before I pull out the few hairs I have left.

Richard
post #3090 of 9892
I saw the Pt.Arthur News yesterday and Channel 4 KBTV is indeed going FOX by years end. Leaving us with no Nbc affiliate for ota users. Unless KUIL 64 decides to become a NBC station. I don't see that happening because of the owners of KUIL are the Channel 29 FOX people in Lousiana. I guess "moving" will be the way around it for those satellite customers who haven't already done so. I don't know what cable customers will do unless they do what they did back in the early 90s. TWC used to have UPN and Channel 39 WB from Houston on their cable system back then from Houston because we had no affiliates for those stations. Then they chose to drop UPN and only keep WB , which prompted me to go to DISH back in 97. I had to see STAR TREK VOYAGER. Maybe they will work a deal with NBC channel 2 in Houston to show their signal here on the TW cable system?
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