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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
I just got a call from the TW Central New York (Syracuse) rep letting me know they are now offering HD/DVR. I'm scheduled for install Friday so I'll provide more info in a couple of days.

Things I'll be looking for:
  • 1394 support

    DVI DHCP support

    Which software they're using (along with versions)

    How much storage they really provide
post #2 of 13
Don't get your hopes up too much. I picked up an 8000HD from TWC Austin and the DVI output is not active. It does have two 1394 jacks, but I suspect that they (like the extra video input and the VCR output) are not enabled either.

As for the software, maybe all the SA DVR's are like this, but it's a hunk of garbage compared to TiVo...

The guide is terrible
You can't schedule "only new shows" (as opposed to all shows including reruns and repeats)
You can't delete or change the save time on a show if you're in the middle of watching it. (You've got to stop it first.)
It doesn't remember where you were in the middle of a show if you switch to live TV or another show.
It doesn't tell you where you are in a show when paused or rewinding/forwarding. (Again, you've got to stop it.)
There's no way to jump to the end of a show.

The playback is jerky when rewinding or fast forwarding (I'll let this slide, since the poor thing was recording two HD shows and watching a third... SWEET!)

Overall, it does it's basic function well, but I will be keeping my TiVo for regular TV.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Clearly TiVo is a generation (or more) ahead. However, with the following goals (my goals):
  • use cable rather than OTA or satelite (trees, tall trees),
  • get HD content,
  • enable timeshifting (including HD),
  • and most importantly, do all the above in a wife friendly manner
then I have to accept these compromises (at the moment).

Our path here consisted of
  • SD OTA with VHS
  • to SD analog cable with VHS and DVD
  • to Digital cable SD/HD with VHS for SD and DVD for 480p
and there were clearly too many remotes -- VHS, DVD, TV, STB, Receiver (I tried a Pronto but it just didn't do the job). I'm hoping to retire the VHS and consolidate TV watching to one remote (Movie watching to another remote for now until things settle out and then I'll consider something like a Harmony hard button remote).

I'll live with limited flexibility and give SA a chance to upgrade. I expect 1394 in Q2 and DVI in June (based on other posts). I'll post my experiences on each as they arrive.

Since this is an inexpensive monthly rental, I can always change my mind a few months down the road without being concerned about recovering a significant equipment investment.
post #4 of 13
It doesn't tell you where you are in a show when paused or rewinding/forwarding. (Again, you've got to stop it.)

**While it doesn't give you an exact number, there is a bar on the bottom giving you an idea.



There's no way to jump to the end of a show.

**Yes there is.
post #5 of 13
Quote:
Originally posted by RaDiKal
(I tried a Pronto but it just didn't do the job). I'm hoping to retire the VHS and consolidate TV watching to one remote (Movie watching to another remote for now until things settle out and then I'll consider something like a Harmony hard button remote).
What didn't the pronto do?
The only problem I have with it is trying to use equipment without discrete on/off or input selection codes.
I agree it'd be more useful with state variable storage.

As for the 8000HD, I know realize that the STOP button does everything.

How do you get to the end of a recorded program (without fast forwarding to it)?
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
The pronto suffers from the following wife unfriendly failings:
  • Insufficient Hard Buttons
  • The hard buttons that it does have are poorly arranged. In particular, on line guides and DVD menus usually depend on a set of four directional keys and a center select/enter button. While you can simulate this in the LCD, you can't accurately press the buttons while looking at the screen.
  • Even with the programmable and pagable LCD, not enough buttons can be put on a single screen to satisfy one 'mode' such as watch TV or watch a Movie. Paging the display is genuinely unfriendly compared to a dedicated remote.
  • The LCD isn't as easy to use as one might think. The brightness is constantly inadvertantly hit causing the display to be unreadable.
  • The LCD touch just doesn't have the comfort of a hard button.
  • It's a bit too big for a smaller hand to hold one-handed.
I have the usual custom screens for all the buttons of each remote. I have macros for turning everything on and off. I even have a one button 'watch baseball' macro for the Mrs. that turns everything on and works it's way through the online guide to list all the current baseball games. However, if anything gets missed (due to poor angle of attack from the remote to the equipment) then it is back to the problems above. I have custom panels for watching a movie or watching TV but there is invariably a button or two short of the full set needed.

The true sign that the Pronto was falling short of the mark was when the kids were content to juggle three remotes to watch TV and then switch to the Playstation 2 rather than using the Pronto.

I'm now a hard-button junky.
post #7 of 13
Quote:
Originally posted by pmiranda
The guide is terrible
You can't schedule "only new shows" (as opposed to all shows including reruns and repeats)
You can't delete or change the save time on a show if you're in the middle of watching it. (You've got to stop it first.)
It doesn't remember where you were in the middle of a show if you switch to live TV or another show.
It doesn't tell you where you are in a show when paused or rewinding/forwarding. (Again, you've got to stop it.)
There's no way to jump to the end of a show.

The playback is jerky when rewinding or fast forwarding (I'll let this slide, since the poor thing was recording two HD shows and watching a third... SWEET!)

Overall, it does it's basic function well, but I will be keeping my TiVo for regular TV.
The Explorer offers so much more than tivo or replay.
1. record two channels at once.
2. current location within a recorded or delayed show in minutes and GUI
3. will record whole show once you hit record if it's buffered.
4. Changes channels faster
5. I got free movie channels for the past 3 months
6. did I say you can record 2 channels at once?
7. you can schedule new shows only
post #8 of 13
Quote:
Originally posted by jetblac
The Explorer offers so much more than tivo or replay.
Sorry, you smoke too much crack.
:D
post #9 of 13
Quote:
Originally posted by pmiranda
Sorry, you smoke too much crack.
:D
And you are the one that passed the pipe to me.
I'm on my second replay box and it doesn't hold a candle up to the explorer. except for the schedule over the internet part. thats a hot feature.
post #10 of 13
Quote:
Originally posted by jetblac

1. record two channels at once.
I've never used Tivo or Replay, but for me this one feature alone is why I got the DVR from TW in the first place and can't imagine going to Tivo or Replay until they offered such a feature (if they ever do).
post #11 of 13
Quote:
Originally posted by Beckles
I've never used Tivo or Replay, but for me this one feature alone is why I got the DVR from TW in the first place and can't imagine going to Tivo or Replay until they offered such a feature (if they ever do).
Now thats what I'm talking about!
I get to watch all those shows that seem interesting but never could watch because something better was on. Nothing beats that except Ultimate TV, I had that too, but never used it because I couldn't get directv in my building. Paid $50 for that one... what a bargain!
post #12 of 13
Jetblack, are you using Explorer's Passport software? That would explain why you mention features that simply don't exist in SARA software. Nex
post #13 of 13
my bad
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