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post #211 of 819
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Originally posted by DirkBelig
Someone forwarded me the manual offered above (why didn't that guy send it?), but it's for the KP-WS510 and I've got a KDP-51WS550. Are the adjustments comparable?

I need to tweak the green decoder and bring down the overscan, but when adjusting the HSIZ and VSIZ settings, it starts bowing across the top and going way out of convergence. How do I set this up w/o making a wreck of things?

How about try coarse adjustment. The item PIN in PJE category seems like what you need to fix the bowing grid lines.
post #212 of 819
I think Buji and I need step-by-step, "Service Mode Antics For Dummies" instructions (yes, I saw what was posted above) that don't assume knowledge of the arcane in the reader. Thanks.
post #213 of 819
Disclaimer: Use this at your own risk. In no case will I be held liable for injury or damage (consequential or otherwise) resulting from or arising out of alterations you make to your television.

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for ws510 series

OPERATION METHOD FOR COARSE ADJUSTMENT (first do it in NTSC Full mode)

1. Enter the service mode and select PJE category.

2. Press the 1 or 4 button on the remote commander to select the
item, and then use the joystick to change the data

3. Press button 6 to display the internal test signal (crosshatch)

4. Select GRN CENT (or any item you want to adjust). When BLU or RED is displayed, press the 3
button on the remote commander to change the adjustment color
in the order of GRN BLU RED.

5. In GRN, BLU, or RED mode, move the joystick up or down to change
the data in vertical direction, or left or right to change the data in a
horizontal direction.

6. Before returning to the service mode, press the MUTING +
ENTER buttons on the remote commander to write the data.
(You must complete step 6 to write the data. If you omit step 6 the
set data is returned to the data prior to the adjustment. Like fine adjustment, data can be copied from NTSC Full mode to other modes. And re-register FLASH FOCUS is required for it to work properly (not overwrite your changes).

Items available in PJE category for coarse adjustment
CENT
SKEW
SIZE
LIN
MSIZ (horizontally only)
MLIN (horizontally only)
PIN
KEY (vertically only)

For each item (and each color), there are two numbers shown on the screen, one for horizontal data and one for vertical data. Write down those numbers before making any changes, in case you want to change them back.
post #214 of 819
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Originally posted by DirkBelig
Someone forwarded me the manual offered above (why didn't that guy send it?), but it's for the KP-WS510 and I've got a KDP-51WS550. Are the adjustments comparable?

I need to tweak the green decoder and bring down the overscan, but when adjusting the HSIZ and VSIZ settings, it starts bowing across the top and going way out of convergence. How do I set this up w/o making a wreck of things?

Don't quote me, but I believe the the 550 is the 510 with the built-in tuner.
post #215 of 819
Way upthread (like in the first page or two), I linked to a post about the WS550 that made it sound like there were significant under-hood differences.
post #216 of 819
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Originally posted by lancer1991
Has anyone tried the i.link yet? I have the 51ws550, and tried it the other night with my Sony Digital 8 camcorder and I'm a little disappointed. I was expecting to be able to see a true digital to digital connection full screen. However, I have an annoying split screen with the digital tuner being on one side and the i.link on the other with no way to get rid of either.

Anyone have any input on this? Just wondering if there is another setting or something I'm missing.
post #217 of 819
[quote]Originally posted by C.Y.
[b]Disclaimer: Use this at your own risk. In no case will I be held liable for injury or damage (consequential or otherwise) resulting from or arising out of alterations you make to your television.

Thank you!
post #218 of 819
Quote:


Originally posted by lancer1991
Anyone have any input on this? Just wondering if there is another setting or something I'm missing.


We have this set-up, Dig. 8 via i-link. To view the Full screen image, press the "EXIT" button on the bottom of your remote control to display the image.

An explanation of this is on page 87 of the manual.
post #219 of 819
Hi all,

First I would just like to thank everyone for the calibration and tweaking pointers. I've completed all of the major stuff with the exception of mechanical focus (that's a project for another day). However, I have run into a small problem.

I have a KP-51WS510. After correcting the vertical and horizontal overscan to < 5% (via H/V POS, SIZ, and LIN), I've found slight bowing at the top of the screen. It's not drastic, it almost falls into the category of "I can only see it because I know it's there", and even then it can only be really noticed when viewing 2.35:1 material. Is there a way to correct this on my own, or do I need to make a trade-off between the bowing and overscan?

edit: Almost forgot...after disabling red push (set AXIS to 1), using the DVE color pattern and filters, blue and red are spot-on, but green is a still a bit off. Any idea which service menu item(s) I can use to tweak the green? I'm under the impression the *CUT and *DRV are greyscale, not color decoder, adjustments. If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

Thanks again
-Jon
post #220 of 819
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Originally posted by BlackbeardsSaint
Don't quote me, but I believe the the 550 is the 510 with the built-in tuner.

I know that, BUT it appears that the service mode categories are TOTALLY DIFFERENT between the 510 and 550, so the 510 manual is nearly useless for adjusting a 550. Too bad.
post #221 of 819
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Originally posted by smokeyjon
edit: Almost forgot...after disabling red push (set AXIS to 1), using the DVE color pattern and filters, blue and red are spot-on, but green is a still a bit off. Any idea which service menu item(s) I can use to tweak the green? I'm under the impression the *CUT and *DRV are greyscale, not color decoder, adjustments. If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

Thanks again
-Jon

Do not use filters, just turn on blue CRT only to calibrate color and hue and turn on each CRT individually to check the result. I am not sure there is a way to adjust color decoder for each color.
post #222 of 819
CY,

Thanks for the tips...I dug through the service manual and came to the same conclusion, that there's no way to individually tweak each color. I'll follow your method to see if I can tighten up the green.
post #223 of 819
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Originally posted by smokeyjon
I have a KP-51WS510. After correcting the vertical and horizontal overscan to < 5% (via H/V POS, SIZ, and LIN), I've found slight bowing at the top of the screen. It's not drastic, it almost falls into the category of "I can only see it because I know it's there", and even then it can only be really noticed when viewing 2.35:1 material. Is there a way to correct this on my own, or do I need to make a trade-off between the bowing and overscan?

Did you try to adjust PIN to correct bowing?
post #224 of 819
Quote:


Originally posted by smokeyjon
CY,

Thanks for the tips...I dug through the service manual and came to the same conclusion, that there's no way to individually tweak each color. I'll follow your method to see if I can tighten up the green.

Maybe CBOF/CROF and CBO2/CRO2 in 2103-1 category can do something about color decoder, but it is going to affect more than one color.
post #225 of 819
Green values are adjusted by changing the category "matrix". Just remembered that this changes the SD or HD color setting. It does, however change the green saturation.
post #226 of 819
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Originally posted by Eddie Horton
Green values are adjusted by changing the category "matrix". Just remembered that this changes the SD or HD color setting. It does, however change the green saturation.

I think he is looking to fine tune color decoder, not to change color matrix, unless he is using Zenith 318 with component output.
post #227 of 819
My bad. You're right. I was thinking of what I did with my 318 to get the saturation right.
post #228 of 819
Forgive a newbie's ignorance, but I have a few questions/observations regarding my 57WS550:

I am using a Silver Sensor indoor antenna. Why is it that CBS (16:9 HD) has black bars down the left and right sides; meanwhile, PBS (16:9 HD) fills the entire screen? The black bars aren't as wide as those when a SD channel is viewed in the 4:3 mode.

While viewing SD programming from my Dish Network satellite dish the four
corners of the screen appear darker when the screen is filled with a light
color (white background, the sky, etc.), but when I watch PBS HD (via a
Silver Sensor indoor antenna) I don't notice this.

There seems to be a bright area of the screen (horizontally across the entire screen) that moves with your line-of-sight (if you move your head up/down a bit). Is this a "normal" phenomina of rear projection CRT TVs? If so, is there some technical name for it?

Thanks to all in advance.
post #229 of 819
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Originally posted by Bogey62
Forgive a newbie's ignorance, but I have a few questions/observations regarding my 57WS550:

I am using a Silver Sensor indoor antenna. Why is it that CBS (16:9 HD) has black bars down the left and right sides; meanwhile, PBS (16:9 HD) fills the entire screen? The black bars aren't as wide as those when a SD channel is viewed in the 4:3 mode.


Make sure all the programming is HD (titantv.com). PBS is always in HD, network is not.
post #230 of 819
Just curious but I see a Sony 46WT510 and then a see a 51WS510. Does the WT mean it's the new model or anything? Are there any differences?
Thanks
post #231 of 819
The WS510 was released August '03, true? Will the 510's replacement be released soon?
post #232 of 819
Quote:


Originally posted by Jim Banville
The WS510 was released August '03, true? Will the 510's replacement be released soon?

Yes.. it is WS520 .. basically the same TV as WS510 with HDMI
and a new white cover. Same price as WS510.
post #233 of 819
"WHITE cover"?!!!
post #234 of 819
Quote:


Originally posted by Jim Banville
"WHITE cover"?!!!

Check it out yourself ..


Sony 51" KP-51WS520
post #235 of 819
Ok, so white is totally going to go well with everyone's living room.
post #236 of 819
Looks silver to me. Where does it say it's white?
post #237 of 819
So the only difference is the outside? WIll retailers sell this at a higher price and sell the 510 for cheaper to get rid of it?
Thanks
post #238 of 819
I wrote this earlier, but I didn't see any comments concerning the following issues:

While viewing SD programming from my Dish Network satellite dish (s-video connection) the four corners of the screen appear darker when the screen is filled with a light color (white background, the sky, etc.), but when I watch PBS HD I don't notice this as much.

Also, there seems to be a bright area of the screen (horizontally across the entire screen) that moves with your line-of-sight (if you move your head up/down a bit). Is this a "normal" phenomina of rear projection CRT TVs? If so, is there some technical name for it?

Anyone?

Thanks.
post #239 of 819
hey all, just got a KP-51ws510 and love it. just had a couple quick questions though.

i went to go disable SVM as is described in this link:

http://mvgrafx.dyn.ca/~vmark/KPxxWS500.html

however, i found that the value was already zero. the number to the left of the zero is one, but i can't change that one. is it normal for some sets to have SVM already disabled?

also, i notice i have a little bit of overscan. is it very complicated to adjust or is as easy as disabling the SVM and red push.

finally, going back to the link above, whats the consensus on the "soft-look" adjustments. are they worth applying? i know it may vary from person to person but i'm just curious.

anyway, love the set and this post has been very helpful. and thanks in advance for any responses
post #240 of 819
Hey Tony! That's my site that you referenced!

On Sony models, SVM is already disabled on the Movie and Pro modes, I believe.

Overscan is not hard to change in itself, but it will mess up your convergence (the alignment of the 3 CRTs). A manual convergence is probably not something you're ready to jump into trying on a new set yet. Check your overscan with something like AVIA, if it's less than 5%, then don't worry about it, that's normal and expected.

I've performed all the soft look adjustments in the guide and I'm very happy with my picture. Just record what the settings were before changing them and restore them if you're not happy with the result.
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