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post #4471 of 10431
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

What's up with the HD... I was told my 4228 will not be able to receive channel 2 or 11 because they are not going to be on the UHF band.

Channel 11 is not changing anything. What you see now is what will be there after June 12. If you get it now, you'll get it in two weeks.

Channel 2 is changing but will still be on UHF. They are moving from channel 56 to channel 44.

Channel 7 is the the one which will be the making the biggest change. They are going from UHF channel 24 to VHF channel 7. After they turn off the analog signal on channel 7, they'll turn off channel 24 and start transmitting digital on channel 7.

The 4228 is a UHF antenna, but seems to work okay for the high VHF channels. Whether it will work for you on channel 7 or not, you'll have to wait until June 13 to find out. This is why the PSAs are emphasizing that you must have the correct antenna.

Don't forget you'll have to rescan after midnight on June 13 to lock in the new channels.

Larry
SF
post #4472 of 10431
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Channel 11 is not changing anything. What you see now is what will be there after June 12. If you get it now, you'll get it in two weeks.

Channel 2 is changing but will still be on UHF. They are moving from channel 56 to channel 44.

Channel 7 is the the one which will be the making the biggest change. They are going from UHF channel 24 to VHF channel 7. After they turn off the analog signal on channel 7, they'll turn off channel 24 and start transmitting digital on channel 7.

The 4228 is a UHF antenna, but seems to work okay for the high VHF channels. Whether it will work for you on channel 7 or not, you'll have to wait until June 13 to find out. This is why the PSAs are emphasizing that you must have the correct antenna.

Don't forget you'll have to rescan after midnight on June 13 to lock in the new channels.

Larry
SF

Thanks for the info... I was receiving channels 2 and 11 until maybe a month or two ago (not sure as I hadn't watched the channel for a while), but now I def do not get them... I have been using the 4228 for 4 years without a problem too. Maybe the antenna moved
post #4473 of 10431
Guys

This is for San Jose, ca Mckee rd/King rd

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I need advise on an indoor antenna for an unusual location. My friend has a studio inside a concrete building( not the roof) He needs a good antenna for the upcoming switchover. I got him the dig/analog converter box from Meritline and the cheesy little rabbit ears that came with it got some channels (14,44,65) but no go on 2,4,5&7.
There is space above the office, below the 20 foot ceiling to place an antenna if getting nearer the roof helps.

Any good antennas that might make the grade?

thx

bob
post #4474 of 10431
KFTL-CA 28 wants to flash-cut on 28, it seems.

- Trip
post #4475 of 10431
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Guys

This is for San Jose, ca Mckee rd/King rd

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I need advise on an indoor antenna for an unusual location. My friend has a studio inside a concrete building( not the roof) He needs a good antenna for the upcoming switchover. I got him the dig/analog converter box from Meritline and the cheesy little rabbit ears that came with it got some channels (14,44,65) but no go on 2,4,5&7.
There is space above the office, below the 20 foot ceiling to place an antenna if getting nearer the roof helps.

Any good antennas that might make the grade?

thx

bob

Maybe this will be of some use:

http://pod08.prospero.com/n/blogs/bl...essTV&entry=44

There's no miracle indoor antenna though so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Good luck,

Chuck
post #4476 of 10431
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Guys

This is for San Jose, ca Mckee rd/King rd

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I need advise on an indoor antenna for an unusual location. My friend has a studio inside a concrete building( not the roof) He needs a good antenna for the upcoming switchover. I got him the dig/analog converter box from Meritline and the cheesy little rabbit ears that came with it got some channels (14,44,65) but no go on 2,4,5&7.
There is space above the office, below the 20 foot ceiling to place an antenna if getting nearer the roof helps.

Any good antennas that might make the grade?

thx

bob

A northwest facing window would be much better than through a concrete wall. The rebar in the wall would do a good job of blocking signals.

If there is any way to get the antenna mounted outside, it would help.
post #4477 of 10431
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

KFTL-CA 28 wants to flash-cut on 28, it seems.
- Trip

KFTL-CA, the low powered station on channel 28 transmitting from Mt. San Bruno, applied for a digital station on channel 24 in March, 2007, and received a construction permit from the FCC. Since KGO is moving from channel 24 to channel 7, that seemed okay, but the power was only listed as .002 kW ERP. Just 2 watts?!? I thought it was a typo.

No, that was the correct power. Come to find out from their Chief Engineer, they did that to simply hold the channel so they'd have time to work on interference parameters and possible power levels.

They have now submitted a new application, not for channel 24, but for channel 28, their analog channel. It's for a Class A low power digital station, 15 kW ERP, transmitting from Mt. San Bruno.

Their CP for channel 24 is still active as well.

Larry
SF
post #4478 of 10431
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Originally Posted by DAP View Post

A northwest facing window would be much better than through a concrete wall. The rebar in the wall would do a good job of blocking signals.

If there is any way to get the antenna mounted outside, it would help.

We are working on that idea. If I can find a vent and not penetrate the roof, it could work out. We would have to lay the outdoor ant on the roof to not be visible.


thx


bob
post #4479 of 10431
I got notice today of four new digital stations... two with licenses, which means they should be on the air, and two new applications. Here's the run down:

Channel 4 K04QR licensed to Lakeport transmitting from Bald Mountain, NW of Esparto, with 100 watts, translating KTVU FOX 2 - Licensed. Has anyone seen this station? Is it on the air?

Channel 4 K04QR licensed to Esparto transmitting from NW of Rio Linda which is north of Sacramento with 240 watts - Application.

Channel 5 K05MI licensed to Lakeport transmitting from NE of Kelseyville with 300 watts translating KICU 36 - Licensed. Is this station on the air?

Channel 5 K05MI licensed to Berkeley and transmitting from Burdell Mtn.-Novato, where KTLN 47 (virtual 68.1) transmits from, with 300 watts - Application.

All reports of on air activity would be appreciated.

Larry
SF
post #4480 of 10431
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

I got notice today of four new digital stations... two with licenses, which means they should be on the air, and two new applications. Here's the run down:

Channel 4 K04QR licensed to Lakeport transmitting from Bald Mountain, NW of Esparto, with 100 watts, translating KTVU FOX 2 - Licensed. Has anyone seen this station? Is it on the air?

Channel 4 K04QR licensed to Esparto transmitting from NW of Rio Linda which is north of Sacramento with 240 watts - Application.

Channel 5 K05MI licensed to Lakeport transmitting from NE of Kelseyville with 300 watts translating KICU 36 - Licensed. Is this station on the air?

Channel 5 K05MI licensed to Berkeley and transmitting from Burdell Mtn.-Novato, where KTLN 47 (virtual 68.1) transmits from, with 300 watts - Application.

All reports of on air activity would be appreciated.

Larry
SF

Looks like K04QR-DT is on the air in SD. At least, here's a screen cap from Rabbitears:
http://www.rabbitears.info/screencap.../65789-0_0.htm
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?facid=65789
Doesn't look like this covers Santa Rosa... Or very much else, for that matter... Very directional and pointing East...

Both are MAKO COMMUNICATIONS LLC. Coverage map on K05MI shows it covering
Santa Rosa... I just got rid of my VHF-low in preparation for DTV... Maybe I should consider erecting a new VHF-low antenna?
http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php?facid=65782
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?facid=65782


- DFGY
post #4481 of 10431
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

Thanks for the info... I was receiving channels 2 and 11 until maybe a month or two ago (not sure as I hadn't watched the channel for a while), but now I def do not get them...

"ellisr63," I also live in Sunnyvale and am getting both KTVU and KNTV just fine on a tiny indoor antenna. Some of the very southwestern parts of Sunnyvale might be close enough to the hills to be shadowed somewhat from Sutro (I'd have to look at a reception map for that area to be sure), but otherwise, you should be able to get the Sutro stations just fine.


Patty
post #4482 of 10431
Anybody else watching KGO-DT last night at 5:30pm? There was a big "oops" moment. I noticed the guide info had the local news on for the hour from 5 to 6pm which seemed unusual. But at 5:30pm the local anchor said goodbye and stay tuned for the ABC network news. Then somebody in the control room flipped a switch and what was broadcast was a screen most television viewers seldom see.

The screen was color bars with the ABC New York info. It also said 720p and some other data. There might have even been a 1K tone. This stayed on for a few minutes and then the local KGO-DT switched back with a slide and nothing else. Changed the channel to KPIX. Switched back to KGO-DT 10 minutes later and the same slide was still broadcast. Checked back 5 minutes later and finally KGO-DT was broadcasting something local, looked like Don Sanchez doing a special report.

At 6pm the ABC network news finally aired, which is what the schedule had indicated all along. Seems like a miscommunication happened between New York and San Francisco....
post #4483 of 10431
Hi,

As this is for the "Winbook 37M1 - 37" LCD HDTV & PC/HD Monitor" only, please post comments there only.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post16602061

SHF
post #4484 of 10431
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhiskers View Post

The screen was color bars with the ABC New York info. It also said 720p and some other data. There might have even been a 1K tone. This stayed on for a few minutes and then the local KGO-DT switched back with a slide and nothing else. Changed the channel to KPIX. Switched back to KGO-DT 10 minutes later and the same slide was still broadcast. Checked back 5 minutes later and finally KGO-DT was broadcasting something local, looked like Don Sanchez doing a special report.

I didn't see that ... but wish I had! Wow.
post #4485 of 10431
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Originally Posted by videojanitor View Post

I didn't see that ... but wish I had! Wow.

Hi,

Perhaps you would enjoy:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post14819974

SHF
post #4486 of 10431
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

Hi,
Perhaps you would enjoy:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post14819974
SHF

well I enjoyed it!
post #4487 of 10431
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhiskers View Post

Anybody else watching KGO-DT last night at 5:30pm? There was a big "oops" moment.

Yup, I saw it and cringed, having been in the exact same situation several years ago when I worked in KGO Master Control. The log (the station bible) said "17:30:00 ABC Network News", so at 5:30 I took Net. I got color bars. I went to the ID still and brought up a back up program on the 3/4" VCR we had just for that purpose.

As someone said, there was miscommunication somewhere. Either the message from ABC net got lost, didn't get read by the folks up in the Traffic Department, or something.

Now that KGO is totally automated and plays everything back from a server, has no video tape or video tape operators, trying to get a back up program on line is, apparently, a lot longer process than it used to be. One operator is now handling channel 7 analog, 7-1, 7-2 and 7-3. This is the same at just about every TV station now. Computers are running TV stations.

Larry
SF
post #4488 of 10431
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

Hi,

Perhaps you would enjoy:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post14819974

SHF

Nice!

Back to the KGO debacle .... was there some kind of special programming that night? I thought the network news was always fed at 5:30? Sounds like maybe things got changed up that night for an NBA game or something.

Whatever, I have definitely been in that situation before and it is a helpless feeling. Especially now, as Larry points out, when everything is on servers and there is no easy way to just throw something on the air (unless you happen to know exactly what media you want and can cue it up). Things can get ugly.
post #4489 of 10431
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhiskers View Post

Anybody else watching KGO-DT last night at 5:30pm? There was a big "oops" moment. ....

Hi,

A couple of weeks ago for 3-4 nights at 5:30 PM KNTV-DT showed a header for the transmission of Nightly News which followed a few seconds later.

It tooks the folks several nights to recognize the error and correct their computer, or the networks one.

I have seen very many cases of "oops" since I started watching DTV.

SHF
post #4490 of 10431
Two stations at Sutro Tower will be switching antennas with each other when the digital transition is completed early Saturday morning. The combiners for the temporary digital antennas now being used do not work with adjacent channels, so the relocation of two of the channels is required. KBCW and KTVU will be swapping positions. The panels on the temporary digital antenna on Sutro are broadband, and do not require retuning. Only the inputs have to be changed.

To follow this visually, check the top Sutro diagram at:
http://www.larrykenney.com/sutrotwr.html

The top panel now has KBCW 45 and KRON 57. After the switch it will have KTVU 44 and KRON 38. The third panel down now has KCNS 39, KCSM 43 and KTVU 56. After the change it will have KCNS 39, KCSM 43 and KBCW 45.

If the antenna swap wasn't made there would have been 39-43-44 on the third panel.

The new auxiliary digital antennas that have been installed and the new permanent antennas to be installed atop the towers have already taken this into consideration. Note Sutro diagram 2.

Remember, you will have to rescan to get KTVU, KRON and KGO after they change channels early Saturday morning. KGO should be on the air just minutes after the analog signal goes off, but KTVU, KRON and KBCW will be off the air while they change the antenna configuration and connect up the new transmitters. You will probably end up rescanning several times if you try to watch the change over in the early morning hours.

It's going to be interesting to see how everyone receives these channels after the move, as well as KTNC 14 on Mt. Diablo, KVIE 9, KXTV 10, KTFK 26 and KTXL 40 from Sacramento and KSBW 8 from Salinas. Friday and Saturday are going to be fun for us TV freaks who follow everything closely. Let's see your reports here!

Larry
SF
post #4491 of 10431
Larry,

A couple of questions on the Sutro antennas.....

I guess KGO will be using their current analog antenna for digital on the transition. What antenna are they going to use during the construction? The one at the very bottom?

In the final configuration drawing I see 1 - 4 stations assigned to one antenna. Does that mean up to 4 stations will be sharing one antenna?

Thanks,

Chuck
post #4492 of 10431
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

It's going to be interesting to see how everyone receives these channels after the move, as well as KTNC 14 on Mt. Diablo, KVIE 9, KXTV 10, KTFK 26 and KTXL 40 from Sacramento and KSBW 8 from Salinas. Friday and Saturday are going to be fun for us TV freaks who follow everything closely. Let's see your reports here!

So, hey, since probably not even the geekiest people here have enough TVs and recording devices to capture all of the SF and Sacto stations that are switching at once (since most of them are going at 11:59:59), should we divvy up the workload and assign ourselves to one or more stations each? I get the KBCW and KTEH analog signals very well, so I could do KTEH and maybe also KBCW (if I can find another bowtie :-)).

Not that I really expect them to do anything fun for their last moments on NTSC, but one can hope...


Patty
post #4493 of 10431
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

KFTL-CA, the low powered station on channel 28 transmitting from Mt. San Bruno, applied for a digital station on channel 24 in March, 2007, and received a construction permit from the FCC.
...

They have now submitted a new application, not for channel 24, but for channel 28, their analog channel. It's for a Class A low power digital station, 15 kW ERP, transmitting from Mt. San Bruno.

Larry, do you think that KFTL-CA decided to switch because they figured that a lot of their viewers would be moving to digital tuners and converters to get the full-power stations and they should join the party? Especially since a lot of CECBs don't have analog passthrough, so viewers would have to use A/B switches to go between KFTL and other OTA stations.


Patty
post #4494 of 10431
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

Larry,

A couple of questions on the Sutro antennas.....

I guess KGO will be using their current analog antenna for digital on the transition. What antenna are they going to use during the construction? The one at the very bottom?

In the final configuration drawing I see 1 - 4 stations assigned to one antenna. Does that mean up to 4 stations will be sharing one antenna?

Thanks,

Chuck

KGO will be using their present analog antenna at the top of the SW mast for about a week to 10 days, then they'll switch to their auxiliary antenna... yup, the one at the very bottom... while the crew removes the mast their main antenna is on. They get a new antenna in the process like everyone else. How long they'll be on their aux antenna, I don't know.

They have applied for increased power of 72 kW while using the aux. antenna, but I don't know if it's been approved or not.

The new auxiliary UHF antennas will be similar to the ones they have been using for the past 10 years with five stations sharing each antenna using combiners. I have no idea what they're going to be using for the new permanent antennas atop the tower.

I'll be taking pictures and posting them on my Sutro site as the antenna work progresses over the Summer.

Larry
SF
post #4495 of 10431
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Originally Posted by wintertime View Post

Larry, do you think that KFTL-CA decided to switch because they figured that a lot of their viewers would be moving to digital tuners and converters to get the full-power stations and they should join the party? Especially since a lot of CECBs don't have analog passthrough, so viewers would have to use A/B switches to go between KFTL and other OTA stations. Patty

I haven't talked to the Chief Engineer of KFTL for a while, so I don't know what their latest plans are. Whatever it is, they won't be ready to go digital for quite some time. They hadn't ordered their digital transmitter as of a month ago. Their application for channel 28 hasn't been approved yet either. At this time, all they have is a construction permit for channel 24.

KMMC on channel 40 won't be ready for several weeks as well. Their transmitter hasn't been delivered yet.

Larry
SF
post #4496 of 10431
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

They have applied for increased power of 72 kW while using the aux. antenna, but I don't know if it's been approved or not.

Larry
SF

Not so far. I looked over their technical submission and KGO has specifically requested that the application be approved before June 12th so that they'll have an antenna for when the Sutro tower construction begins. I don't know why the FCC is dragging their feet on this.

Chuck
post #4497 of 10431
Hello All, i am new to OTA, i just bought "Antennas Direct DB2 HDTV Antenna". I live in Sunnyvale(94089) and i confirmed it on antennaweb.com that i get channels on my location.
I got my antenna yesterday, i mounted it on my balcony and scanned my HDTV using the built-in Digital Tuner. It found 14 Analog and 0 Digital Channels. Even all those 14 analog channels are scrambled.
Please help me out here, am i doing something wrong? I have got 75 ohm,RG-6 Cable(20ft), i live on the second floor of a 3 floored building. I have some trees around my apartment.
What should i do to get a better reception,help me out here
post #4498 of 10431
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Originally Posted by a_mitian View Post

Hello All, i am new to OTA, i just bought "Antennas Direct DB2 HDTV Antenna". I live in Sunnyvale(94089) and i confirmed it on antennaweb.com that i get channels on my location.
I got my antenna yesterday, i mounted it on my balcony and scanned my HDTV using the built-in Digital Tuner. It found 14 Analog and 0 Digital Channels. Even all those 14 analog channels are scrambled.
Please help me out here, am i doing something wrong? I have got 75 ohm,RG-6 Cable(20ft), i live on the second floor of a 3 floored building. I have some trees around my apartment.
What should i do to get a better reception,help me out here

What are you hooking that antenna up to? Digital TV, PC, STB? It sounds as if you are not wired right or you have not scanned correctly.
post #4499 of 10431
a_mitian, make sure your TV is set to tune OTA (not cable/QAM) also make sure you are pointing to the right direction (toward San Francisco). What kind of TV are you using? It might help if you get a free $40 convertor box and give it a try too. I have a antenna similar to DB2 and picks up just about every single station. It is simply impossible to pick up at least 1 digital channel even using the cheapest antenna indoor.
post #4500 of 10431
I am using a Sony KDL-V3000 HDTV(1080p) and i tried 2-3 directions. May be i should try different settings on my TV. It might be set to Cable.
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