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post #9091 of 10423
Did you one better. It's on RabbitEars. http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/ca-sfo/22644-0_0.htm

- Trip
post #9092 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

To viewers in the Santa Rosa area...

Could one of you tell me what's on K49KS, channel 49? I'd like to update my DTV Station Lists. According to reports I've received they're running four channels, 49-1, -2, -3 and -4.

Thanks

Larry

Larry, I scanned my Dish Hopper OTA module this AM and I am not getting anything on 49. Googling the station ID tells me it is a Spanish language religious station, but I don't see it in Rohnert Park.
post #9093 of 10423
Inversions to Return

With the cold temperatures of the last 4 days there have been no inversions and the TV signals have been very stable. Not very interesting for DX but nice to not have the local stations dropping out. That's about to change. The forecast this morning says the air aloft is supposed to warm 15 degrees by mid week with inversions setting up. That'll take my high temperatures from around 40 to the mid 50's with an equal increase at night. Watch for interesting conditions this week especially from Wednesday on.

Chuck
post #9094 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Rescanning the FusionHDTV7 didn't solve the KKPX problem. It still shuts down if I tune any one of the 4 sub-channels.
Larry and Nani:

I don't know what's up with your FusionHDTV7 installations. I was prepared for the worst, since I know that KKPX' screwball subchannels are crashing TViX tuners (made by the same company as FusionHDTV and, therefore, having some related software), but I found that my FusionHDTV7 USB tuner doesn't crash when tuning any of the KKPX OTA subchannels, even the encrypted ones (although the latter show only a black screen, of course).

The FusionHDTV app is notoriously fragile, however, so I suspect that something has broken yours and the two of you do need to reinstall it, as Nani suggested. I would try using the "repair" option that's presented in a reinstallation.
post #9095 of 10423
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post


Larry and Nani:

...

The FusionHDTV app is notoriously fragile, however, so I suspect that something has broken yours and the two of you do need to reinstall it, as Nani suggested. I would try using the "repair" option that's presented in a reinstallation.

HI,

 

As there are many ION stations this may be seen in other areas.

 

So I have replied in the "New FusionHDTV Software" thread.

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/744292/new-fusionhdtv-software/1770#post_22828157

 

SHF

post #9096 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

Larry, I scanned my Dish Hopper OTA module this AM and I am not getting anything on 49. Googling the station ID tells me it is a Spanish language religious station, but I don't see it in Rohnert Park.

Thanks for trying Bobby. At least I can log it as "Spanish religion". Maybe someone further north will be able to receive the station and give me the programming details. The station's transmitter is located northeast of Santa Rosa and they're only transmitting 1 kw with an HAAT of 341 feet, so probably don't have much range.

Larry
post #9097 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Thanks for trying Bobby. At least I can log it as "Spanish religion". Maybe someone further north will be able to receive the station and give me the programming details. The station's transmitter is located northeast of Santa Rosa and they're only transmitting 1 kw with an HAAT of 341 feet, so probably don't have much range.

Larry

Rohnert Park is <10 miles from the transmitter site. Is it even on the air? It's supposed to be on the air but you know how flakey some of these LP stations are today.

Chuck
Edited by Calaveras - 1/14/13 at 9:01pm
post #9098 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Thanks for trying Bobby. At least I can log it as "Spanish religion". Maybe someone further north will be able to receive the station and give me the programming details. The station's transmitter is located northeast of Santa Rosa and they're only transmitting 1 kw with an HAAT of 341 feet, so probably don't have much range.

Larry

49-1 is showing a picture, but I got no sound. It looked to be a Spanish/religion station. 49-2 49-3 49-4 were just the colour bars.
Not sure why I did not get sound. Other stations work.
The picture was in wide-screen format, but low resolution.
Let me know if you need any other info.
post #9099 of 10423

Hi,

 

TSReader Lite 2.8.46g

 

My problems were operator error.

 

In exploring the program I discovered an option to display the PID usage.

 

 

That is a very easy way to see how the channel is being used.

 

Cick on it for a larger view.

 

SHF

post #9100 of 10423

Hi,

 

Everything you might want to know about KAXT attached, The TSReader Lite output.

 

TSReader's Website:

http://www.tsreader.com/tsreader/index.html

 

 

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Advanced Television Systems Committee standards

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Television_Systems_Committee_standards#ATSC_2.0

 

 

Quote:

ATSC 2.0

The most immediate, major development is ATSC 2.0, which is expected to become a candidate standard sometime in late 2011 or early 2012, with final adoption as a standard in 2012.

The shift would allow broadcasters to deliver a plethora of new services, including nonreal-time content that would permit viewers to access news, weather and other content on demand; new interactive services to enhance live broadcasts; personalized advertising systems for ads targeted to a viewer’s location or interests; the use of MPEG 4 compression systems that would let broadcasters do more with their existing spectrum; advanced programming guides to make it easier to find content; and conditional access that would allow broadcasters to launch subscription or pay-per-view TV services; to name a few of its major features.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/469231-With_ATSC_2_0_Broadcasting_Gets_Facelift.php

 

 

A/103:2012, Non-Real-Time Content Delivery

http://www.atsc.org/cms/index.php/standards/published-standards/296-a1032012-non-real-time-content-delivery

 

List of ATSC standards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ATSC_standards

 

KKPX's (ION) problems being read by Fusion may be hidden in this documentation.

 

SHF

 

KAXT-1.zip 538k .zip file

 

P.S. I changed this post after being told that once you upload a file, it will take space on AVS forever, (My understanding) it was to be deleted because so few readers here will be interested..


Edited by SFischer1 - 1/16/13 at 3:24pm
post #9101 of 10423
iitywygms... Thanks for the report. At least we know the station is on the air and somewhat there running Spanish Religion on 49-1, color bars on -2, -3, and -4.

Larry
post #9102 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by iitywygms View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Thanks for trying Bobby. At least I can log it as "Spanish religion". Maybe someone further north will be able to receive the station and give me the programming details. The station's transmitter is located northeast of Santa Rosa and they're only transmitting 1 kw with an HAAT of 341 feet, so probably don't have much range.

Larry

49-1 is showing a picture, but I got no sound. It looked to be a Spanish/religion station. 49-2 49-3 49-4 were just the colour bars.
Not sure why I did not get sound. Other stations work.
The picture was in wide-screen format, but low resolution.
Let me know if you need any other info.

Some tuners will automatically choose the audio stream in your selected language, even if that audio stream is empty, rather than the primary audio stream. Your tuner is probably choosing an empty English stream rather than the primary spanish stream. My tuner does this all the time.
post #9103 of 10423
Are broadcasters going to switch to ATSC 2.0 any time soon? I wonder if the existing ATSC TVs/TV tuners/converter boxes can handle it. MPEG-4 is a completely different animal.
post #9104 of 10423
Yesterday, Chuck (Calaveras) reported on the Sacramento OTA thread that he was seeing strong signals from Walnut Grove and that signals from Salinas were roaring in with some signals as much as 20 dB above average. Since he was seeing activity yesterday, I thought I'd take a look today.

As I've reported in the past, if the signals from the South Bay (Mt. Allison and Monument Peak) are up, the signals from Walnut Grove are usually down, and that's the story today. KAXT 1 is normally about 17-18 dB SNR here; today it's coming in at 23.76 dB. KMAX 31 is normally 24-25 dB; today it's down at 18.62 dB... and the ONLY signal I'm receiving from Walnut Grove. Channels 6, 10, 13 and 58 are all below the cliff edge today.

KEMO 50, normally about 28 dB is down to 23 dB today.

Larry
SF
post #9105 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelation View Post

Are broadcasters going to switch to ATSC 2.0 any time soon? I wonder if the existing ATSC TVs/TV tuners/converter boxes can handle it. MPEG-4 is a completely different animal.

Hi,

 

No, existing ATSC TVs/TV tuners/converter boxes can NOT handle it.

 

It has been clearly stated, and I agree with it, that another Digital Conversion will not happen. Want to buy another new DTV, start using a new converter box, few will want to.

 

DTV channels are being reduced, see:

 

The official final DTV Table Of Allotments-channel change thread - AVS Forum

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/823166/the-official-final-dtv-table-of-allotments-channel-change-thread/60

 


 

Now, if you look at KKPX (ION) TSReader data that Trip has online, you will see MPEG-4 is being used.

 

You must PAY $$ and get an AirBox subscription box. Just like a Cable box for PAY Channels.

 

How well it is going for Airbox? AFAIK you cannot get a Airbox here in the San Francisco Bay area even though the signal is on the air.

 

Most people on this list will not want one as spanish is the language used and while there are many spanish speakers here, they do not read this forum.

 

SHF

post #9106 of 10423
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelation View Post

Are broadcasters going to switch to ATSC 2.0 any time soon? I wonder if the existing ATSC TVs/TV tuners/converter boxes can handle it. MPEG-4 is a completely different animal.
Hi,

No, existing ATSC TVs/TV tuners/converter boxes can NOT handle it.

It has been clearly stated, and I agree with it, that another Digital Conversion will not happen. Want to buy another new DTV, start using a new converter box, few will want to.

DTV channels are being reduced, see:

The official final DTV Table Of Allotments-channel change thread - AVS Forum
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/823166/the-official-final-dtv-table-of-allotments-channel-change-thread/60

Now, if you look at KKPX (ION) TSReader data that Trip has online, you will see MPEG-4 is being used.

You must PAY $$ and get an AirBox subscription box. Just like a Cable box for PAY Channels.

How well it is going for Airbox? AFAIK you cannot get a Airbox here in the San Francisco Bay area even though the signal is on the air.

Most people on this list will not want one as spanish is the language used and while there are many spanish speakers here, they do not read this forum.

SHF

I think in this case, the tuner has nothing to do with it. Only the data stream would change, not the modulation. I believe that computer tuners like the HDHomeRun would have no trouble with ATSC 2.0

Although, having read this: http://www.atsc.org/cms/pdf/bootcamp/ATSC_2.pdf it looks like for ATSC 2.0, the viewer is the product for sale (victim of DRM, surveillance , & pushed content), I'm not sure I want that in my house.
Edited by DAP - 1/18/13 at 11:20am
post #9107 of 10423
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Originally Posted by DAP View Post


I think in this case, the tuner has nothing to do with it. Only the data stream would change, not the modulation. I believe that computer tuners like the HDHomeRun would have no trouble with ATSC 2.0

Although, having read this: http://www.atsc.org/cms/pdf/bootcamp/ATSC_2.pdf it looks like for ATSC 2.0, the viewer is the product for sale (victim of DRM, surveillance , & pushed content), I'm not sure I want that in my house.

Hi,

 

Yes, it is the data stream that would change, but ATSC TVs/TV tuners/converter boxes are locked into MPEG2 and there are no ways to update the firmware.

 

If there were then maybe, the CPU power may not be sufficient and memory too small.

 

The HDHR might be able to handle ATSC 2.0 BECAUSE their firmware CAN be updated.

 

ATSC TVs/TV tuners/converter boxes have two parts, the tuner and the data stream handler.

 

There have been some attempts to hack ION but the encryption is preventing this.

 

If a stream is encrypted then anything can be in that stream and must be ignored by ATSC TVs/TV tuners/converter boxes.

 

Only the products of one company in two very different products are having problems. Should other products have problems, then ION will cancel the contract with Airbox.

 

If I look at a growing number of sites, the product I look at pops up on other sites (Earthlink Web Mail). They are already in my house.

 

SHF

post #9108 of 10423
When ION was testing AirBox, a few of the feeds were in the clear, and my HDHR handled those without issue. See photo:

http://www.rabbitears.info/blog/index.php?post/2011/11/19/Air-TV-Floats-In

TV sets did not handle it due to lack of MPEG-4 decoding capability.

- Trip
post #9109 of 10423
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post


The HDHR might be able to handle ATSC 2.0 BECAUSE their firmware CAN be updated.

The thing about the current generation of computer tuners is that they just send the data stream to the computer and let the computer deal with it. There is no need to update the HDHomeRun, or any other computer tuner for ATSC 2.0 since they don't do anything with the data but pass it on to the computer.
The program on the computer however may need updates, but computers already can handle MPEG-4.
post #9110 of 10423
This is interesting. I am using Windows Media Center on a PC. What channel is this "Trip" on?
post #9111 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelation View Post

This is interesting. I am using Windows Media Center on a PC. What channel is this "Trip" on?

Hi,

 

If you are asking about ION, KKPX is on RF 41 PSIP 65.1.

 

List of ION stations:

 

http://www.rabbitears.info/search.php?request=network_search&network=ION

 

As stated before, you will not see the encrypted streams.

 

SHF

post #9112 of 10423
At my Santa Rosa site (cm4228 50ft elevation) All Sutro stations are usually strong and locked 95% of the time and usually at 65-75 signal strength on my DishPal box . Yesterday, 1/19/13, most were at or below 54 causing break-up or "no signal" message. The worst was KTVU ch 2 which was "no-signal" most of the day.

Today all Sutro stations are back to 70+ and KTVU is fine. Yesterday it looked like I wouldn"t be able to watch the Playoffs. Today all is well.

So I question why? No changes on my end. Rotor is at same location(160 degrees for me). The weather doesn't seem to be different today. Maybe less fog? Was there work on the tower? Anyone else see this from yesterday to today? Any ideas?

Thanks for a great forum

Chris
post #9113 of 10423
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Originally Posted by cpcarter View Post

At my Santa Rosa site (cm4228 50ft elevation) All Sutro stations are usually strong and locked 95% of the time and usually at 65-75 signal strength on my DishPal box . Yesterday, 1/19/13, most were at or below 54 causing break-up or "no signal" message. The worst was KTVU ch 2 which was "no-signal" most of the day.

Today all Sutro stations are back to 70+ and KTVU is fine. Yesterday it looked like I wouldn"t be able to watch the Playoffs. Today all is well.
Sorry I didn't try yesterday but today ch2 is coming in very strong at 95% per my Dish OTA connection. I was surprised that even ch 7 which I seldom get OTA is coming in clear at 64%.
Ch 11, the other VHF station is at 65% and breaking up.

All this on my attic mounted antenna and I'm on the flats in Santa Rosa. I'd be willing to wager that by game time KTVU ch 2 will not be quite so good. Murphy's law usually applies to me when it comes to wanting the best signal at the optimum time.rolleyes.gif
post #9114 of 10423

Hi,

 

Nothing from Sutro on the planned work mailing list (One or two messages perhaps per year!). They have redesigned their web page so I cannot find where they  (Might) list any problems.

 

Nothing on KQED or KCSM OTA problem lists.

 

So assume as is almost always the case:

 

Nothing has changed at Sutro Tower.

 

SHF

post #9115 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpcarter View Post

At my Santa Rosa site (cm4228 50ft elevation) All Sutro stations are usually strong and locked 95% of the time and usually at 65-75 signal strength on my DishPal box . Yesterday, 1/19/13, most were at or below 54 causing break-up or "no signal" message. The worst was KTVU ch 2 which was "no-signal" most of the day.

Today all Sutro stations are back to 70+ and KTVU is fine. Yesterday it looked like I wouldn"t be able to watch the Playoffs. Today all is well.

So I question why? No changes on my end. Rotor is at same location(160 degrees for me). The weather doesn't seem to be different today. Maybe less fog? Was there work on the tower? Anyone else see this from yesterday to today? Any ideas?

Thanks for a great forum

Chris

It's the old temperature inversion problem that is particularly bothersome when we have these periods of strong high pressure. Santa Rosa doesn't have LOS to Sutro and that makes the problem worse. There's nothing you can do about this except wait it out.

In case you have doubts about the existence of the inversions right now, it is 52 degrees at my house at 2500' at 10 pm and will not change much all night. I'll bet it's a lot colder than that in Santa Rosa tonight. wink.gif

If the DishPal is anything like my Dish DTVPal DVR then 65-75 is not very good since the low signal warning appears at 54. I like to see 80 or better under most conditions.

No matter what is says, the meter is a Signal Quality meter, not a Signal Strength meter.

Chuck
post #9116 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpcarter View Post

At my Santa Rosa site (cm4228 50ft elevation) All Sutro stations are usually strong and locked 95% of the time and usually at 65-75 signal strength on my DishPal box . Yesterday, 1/19/13, most were at or below 54 causing break-up or "no signal" message. The worst was KTVU ch 2 which was "no-signal" most of the day.

Today all Sutro stations are back to 70+ and KTVU is fine. Yesterday it looked like I wouldn"t be able to watch the Playoffs. Today all is well.

So I question why? No changes on my end. Rotor is at same location(160 degrees for me). The weather doesn't seem to be different today. Maybe less fog? Was there work on the tower? Anyone else see this from yesterday to today? Any ideas?

Thanks for a great forum

Chris

I am in Santa Rosa also. Feel good that you get what you get. I get kgo 7.1 about %75 of the time. Maybe %80.
The other stations are fairly solid.
I also have the cm 4228, along with a separate vhf antenna, but my elevation is probably lower than yours. (Coffey park area)
How is KNTV NBC channel 11 for you? I have not had a solid signal from them in over a month. It's there, just right over the cliff edge.
post #9117 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by iitywygms View Post

I am in Santa Rosa also. Feel good that you get what you get. I get kgo 7.1 about %75 of the time. Maybe %80.
The other stations are fairly solid.
I also have the cm 4228, along with a separate vhf antenna, but my elevation is probably lower than yours. (Coffey park area)
How is KNTV NBC channel 11 for you? I have not had a solid signal from them in over a month. It's there, just right over the cliff edge.

Yikes! I'm surprised you have so much trouble with KGO. I get KGO about 90% of the time, KQED, KMTP and KBCW about 60% and the others rarely. Distant VHF is far more reliable here than distant UHF.

Chuck
post #9118 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

Yikes! I'm surprised you have so much trouble with KGO. I get KGO about 90% of the time, KQED, KMTP and KBCW about 60% and the others rarely. Distant VHF is far more reliable here than distant UHF.

Chuck

I have always been puzzled with my reception here. UHF Fox never goes away. Ever. Yet kpix, from the same tower, will drop out during summer months. Kron is normally stable throughout the year, but near the cliff edge.
VHF.. Kgo comes and goes, but usually is receivable. Kntv leaves me during the winter. But when kpix is out, kntv usually comes in.
Just odd.
P.S. Right now, all my uhf channels show %100 signal quality. (rare for me) on the hdhr
kgo is currently at %85
kntv is coming in, but drops every once in a while.
post #9119 of 10423
Just for fun I did a channel scan.
Tonight I am getting ksbw from the Fremont peak. 155 miles away! lol.
post #9120 of 10423
Quote:
Originally Posted by iitywygms View Post

P.S. Right now, all my uhf channels show %100 signal quality. (rare for me) on the hdhr
kgo is currently at %85
kntv is coming in, but drops every once in a while.

The inversions really kicked in last night and it was bad for Walnut Grove. KOVR was in and out and I had to give up on KXTV and switch to KSBW.

This morning Walnut Grove is good, Sutro is out, KNTV and KKPX are strong as well as Salinas.

Chuck
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