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I just checked KNTV here and both 11-1 and 11-2 are coming in just fine on my FusionHDTV7 USB (app version 1.91 Edit: Make that 3.91).
Edited by TPeterson - 2/7/13 at 11:20am

Hi,

 

Well, as there now are four reported problems with COZI, KNTV must at some time sent bad PSIP which was captured by some tuners.

 

If a full rescan now does not fix the problem then they may be continuing to send it.

 

SHF

They're not doing anything wrong, just different (16x9 SD). DVD's have been doing 16x9 SD since day one and it works fine, but when someone tries something different with ATSC, all the buggy decoders start showing up.

Ron

Well.... LWN on 10.2 is in 16x9 SD right now and there is no problem with it. It used to be an issue when they first started but they did something and it went away. So wrong or not, they can do something on their end to fix the issue, and they should do it. It would be to their advantage to maximize viewers. I'll leave it to people who can actually receive KNTV all the time to complain about it.

Chuck

Hi,

 

I saw a program that I did not recognize on COZI so I scheduled a HDHR capture:

 

The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Texas Cowgirl

 

When playing it back it with Fusion it showed the postage stamp picture problem.

 

As TSReader lite shows nothing wrong with this single stream what program might? (Free)

 

Can someone suggest which AVS area to post this question.

 

The file is 649 MB so I cannot upload it.

 

SHF

 

Program Association Table

PAT Version Number: 13
Transport Stream ID: 0 (0x0000)

PMT PID 64 (0x0040) - Program 4
 

Program Map Table(s)

Program Number: 4
PCR PID: 0x0041


Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 65 (0x0041)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 68 (0x0044)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R
Descriptor: ISO639 Language Descriptor
Language: eng
Audio type: undefined
 

Service Description Table

General Information

Source: Transport Stream File
Tuner: HR1013024C(1)-KNTVDT2-130...
Signal: n/a
Network Type: Unknown
Run Time: 000:35:43
 

Edited by SFischer1 - 2/7/13 at 9:25pm

I saw a program on KBCW this morning that looked like it was supposed to be full screen SD but it was displaying as 4:3 pillar box. A little later I explored the screen settings in the menu and found an option Sony calls Auto Full Screen. I turned it on and Cozi TV now displays properly. So far all other SD programming is unaffected and displays correctly. I don't know why this is an optional setting on the Sony. I suppose they'd call it a feature but it's hard to find if you don't know to look for it.

Chuck

Nani, what Aspect Ratio display modes did you try in FusionHDTV? It has several AR settings in the right-click menu. When I've viewed 11-2 with FusionHDTV AR set to "Original Ratio" the pictures have appeared correctly (i.e., 4:3 material fills the 19:9 screen from top to bottom but not left to right and 16:9 material fills the entire screen).

I need a copy of your software!

Larry

Hi,

 

"Original" is my normal setting and I see the same as you report normally. I now have a Sherlock Holmes (SH) COZI file I dropped the file on the Fusion7Dual icon and then made sure Original was selected.

 

I closed Fusion and then dropped the file on the icon again. The postage stamp (PS) size picture appeared, When I right clicked and looked at the "Aspect Ratio" the dot was on "Original Ratio". This matched the last aspect mode displayed on the screen.

 

All my Fusion tests have been with "Original Ratio" as that is what I consider normal. Other Ratio's I do not consider normal but I have used them some of the time.

 

As I was typing this SH which was PS when it went to a commercial the SD picture switched to normal. I may have caught a commercial starting out normal size and then switching to PS before SH started up again.

 

This testing was on my Fusion7Dual on XP.

 

When I have some time I will try My Fusion5 RT Gold (W7).

 

My Vista Laptop will soon be returning from Mexico and as I will be burning new restore CDs to allow different testing of the erased HD I will try my Fusion7 USB. ($475 as it failed one year after the special warranty expired which the person knew about).

 

I am beginning to suspect that the MPeg2 decoder is making a wrong decision and it it not the PSIP.

 

SHF

Hi,

 

3.9.0 and 3.9.1 are the same  except for a fix that does not affect us.

 

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/eng/cs/default.aspx

 

A full Rescan has a better chance of fixing your Fusion Setup. Maybe if it does not help, do it at a different time of the day perhaps when everything is 16:9.

 

COZI appears to be heading towards 16:9 as much of the day that it can, when I first looked at it all I saw was SD.

 

So it must be considered a work in progress still.

 

SHF

Actually, Larry may see better behavior with 3.91, since he also has the F7USB model. Anyway, it's available from Nani's (Stephen's) above link, where I see the following in the change log:

<< Changes in Rev 3.91 version >>

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1. Improves driver installation of 7USB model.

I'll try version 3.91 and let you know what happens.

Larry

I downloaded Fusion version 3.91 and installed it. I had to uninstall the old version first, but I still had the original file I downloaded in case the new version didn't work. The new version has new drivers for the USB port that apparently work much better with Windows 8. It loaded without any problems, scanned for channels and found 96 of them! (That, of course, includes 20 from KAXT. )

I've had the program running for more than three hours now and it's still working great. This new version still has a few of the familiar bugs that I'm used to from the older version, but at least it doesn't lose contact with the computer. When I want to change channels it changes the channel. Volume up, volume down, full screen, small screen, controller on screen or off, schedule, etc. all are working great!

So for those of you with Windows 8, I can safely say that you can run the Fusion 7 USB receiver as long as you get the latest version of the software, V 3.91.

Thanks to TPeterson and SFischer for the help and guidance! Oh,.. and this version receives both KNTV and KKPX.

Larry
SF

Well this is unusual. Kron and Ktvu are super weak, dropping off.
Kntv is over 90%
Oh the joy of inversions.

I've been checking off and on for the past few days looking for changes in signal strength since we're enjoying this beautiful weather system over us. I haven't noticed any changes at all. Everything has been quite steady, and every station has been coming in at about its normal average level.

It's interesting how the inversions and tropo effects only hit certain areas.

Larry
SF

It's only been the last 2 days that I've seen anything happening. This morning KNTV and KKPX are very strong. KKPX is the most unusual station from the Bay Area. Normally I can't see a trace of it, not even on the analyzer. Then under some conditions it'll rise up out of the noise to become strong. This morning it is SNR 28 dB. No other Bay Area station shows this big of a change.

Chuck

With the switch for the delta breeze being in the off position, I expect easy reception here. Last night, I switched on the 10:00 news on KOVR. It was breaking up. I have that antenna currently set for rf 40. I changed the channel. Today, again KOVR was breaking up. I checked another room with a window facing the wrong way. KOVR was solid with a lower signal but no A/V drops. In the room where KOVR was dropping out, I moved the antenna to a location more favorable fro KOVR. The result was locked and no A/V drops. This is interesting. The antenna location/height/aim for rf 40 is typically also best for 64.1. Today in this arrangement, 64.1 was a black screen. However, when I moved the antenna to the spot that works best for KOVR, 64.1 was locked with no A/V drops.

I actually saw some different signal levels tonight. Walnut Grove VHFs KVIE 6 and KXTV 10 were booming in with SNR in the 23 to 24 dB range. Normally they're 17 to 19 dB. However, the UHF stations were all at their normal levels or below. KOVR 13 was below the cliff edge in the 13 dB range tonight, KMAX 31 was at it's normal 25 dB and KQCA 58 was at its normal 21 dB.

KEMO 50 from Mt. St. Helena was it's normal 25 to 26 dB.

Larry

Cozi Sherlock Holmes Postage Stamp aspect continues.

 

I have done a bunch of testing and I think I know what is wrong with Cozi.

 

"The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes" (1956) is a 4:3 program which must be upconverted to 16:9. This has been done correctly.

 

Once the up conversion process has been done it is a 16:9 program and must be labeled and treated as 16:9.

 

Somewhere in the PSIP or the MPEG2 file itself there must be a place where the aspect ratio is to be placed but it is blank or invalid.

 

On my newly repaired Vista Laptop (Remember always to use the correct glue when installing your GPU! Or lose $475, thanks NVIDIA) I was able to see that there are two black bands on each side.

 

The outermost band is BLACK and the innermost band is black with SNOW. The inner black SNOW band was added by the up conversion process. The outer BLACK band is added by the Fusion software when it thinks it is displaying a 4:3 picture on a 16:9 device.

 

As most tuners and display programs like VLC Media Player assume 16:9 the BLACK band is not added and there is no problem.

 

Fusion assumed 4:3 and adds the BLACK band when displaying on a 16:9 device. It did not on my spare HTPC which has a 4:3 CRT display.

 

If you see the postage stamp aspect ratio, look closely and I expect you will see the two differing bands.

 

I have sent a message to Cozi but I do not expect an answer.

 

SHF

Edited by SFischer1 - 2/21/13 at 6:48pm

Hi,

 

KCSM Bids posted 1/23/2013

 

https://sharepoint.smccd.edu/SiteDirectory/generalservices/Lists/Bid%20Announcements/Attachments/18/01-23-13%20Responses%20RFP%2086635.zip

 

From Page:

 

http://sharepoint.smccd.edu/SiteDirectory/generalservices/Lists/Bid%20Announcements/DispForm.aspx?ID=18

 

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Were any bids accepted?

 

Perhaps not!

 

But KCSM may already been sold:

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1216722/avs-official-topic-the-fcc-broadcast-spectrum/2820#post_23029608

 

SHF

Edited by SFischer1 - 3/1/13 at 8:44pm

Hi,

 

KMTP, where does it get it's money?

 

A question I have wondered about for some time.

 

I found this at the bottom of KMTP's bid for KCSM.

 

SHF

 

There have not been any applications submitted to the FCC by KCSM for sale of the station. If any sale is in the works it's not yet official.

Chuck

Hi,

 

It cannot be official as it is not posted where I found the zip of previous bids.

 

I also do not see how they can do it without another bid cycle.

 

I was suggesting that they are sitting on a bid much higher, none of the stations accepting the Spectrum prospectors are listed.

 

A Google search of "kcsm sale" is turning up lots of new information.

 

https://sharepoint.smccd.edu/SiteDirectory/generalservices/Lists/Bid%20Announcements/DispForm.aspx?ID=26&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fsharepoint%2Esmccd%2Eedu%2FSiteDirectory%2Fgeneralservices%2FLists%2FBid%2520Announcements%2FCurrent%2Easpx

Edited by SFischer1 - 3/2/13 at 6:26pm

Recent changes to OTA channels:
28.15 - Dropped Radio Taiwan - Now showing "Channel For Lease".
38.5 - Dropped "RTV moved to 42.4" slide - Now showing color bars with "KTNC-SDI Test"
48.3 - Channel no longer exists
50.2 - Channel no longer exists
66.2 - Dropped KDTV rebroadcast - Now showing "Bounce TV"

Larry
SF

Last night was the first time I've seen the Bounce logo. It was on channel 19.3. That's a new one to me.

Would that be KUVS, Modesto, the station that carries Univision and KTFK-Telefutura?

I want to make sure I add it to the correct place on my DTV lists.

Thanks.

Larry
SF

I assume so.

Quick channel surfing I see ......
Lots of changes on 28. Picture quality upgrade on "Home Shopping Network" ..... Crystal clear ... no more satellite static
42-1 & 42-2 are showing the same programming.
KPIX-5 is back:) ..... No more silly names ...... (Right NBC-3?) What 3?
Edited by 888CALLFCC - 3/3/13 at 12:18am

Same programming, but different local commercials. 42-1 is for the Bay Area, 42-2 is for Sacramento/Stockton and the Central Valley. Interesting concept.

Larry
SF

Bounce TV showed up on KUVS as new subchannel 19.3 about a week ago.

Chuck