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post #9361 of 10425
Losing ktvu tonight. That hardly ever happens.
post #9362 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by iitywygms View Post

Losing ktvu tonight. That hardly ever happens.

Hi,

 

Looking at "Signal Data for RF 48 (measured at toast0's garage)" it looks like RF 48 has some problems starting at 18:00  while

 

Signal Data for RF 44 (measured at toast0's garage) looks clean.

 

He is in the South Bay while you are in the extreme North Bay.

 

My quick check of RF 44 looked good while RF 48 showed weak (Normal).

 

KEMO at 97 miles looks solid to the north of you for me as well as KRCB.

 

SHF

 

EDIT: KGO RF 35 appears to have been off ~ 4 AM - 11:30.


Edited by SFischer1 - 6/28/13 at 6:03pm
post #9363 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by iitywygms View Post

Losing ktvu tonight. That hardly ever happens.

And KTLN 47-3 is booming strong here in Hayward today. smile.gif Same with 14 (42-1)

Testing a new small parabolic with dipole UHF antenna here. Impressive for a small dipole with dish reflector.
Some signal on no-lock channels.
23 KRCB
25 KQET
31 KSMS 2 to 10% (New)
32 ? KEMO or KION (Pointed to Mt.toro) but I think a reflected KEMO instead. Very spotty and unexplained. No signal pointed to KEMO
post #9364 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by iitywygms View Post

Losing ktvu tonight. That hardly ever happens.
Same here last few nights, in Sunnyvale. KTVU usually solid here, 70+ on my TV's signal meter, now about 50.
post #9365 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by tontino View Post


Same here last few nights, in Sunnyvale. KTVU usually solid here, 70+ on my TV's signal meter, now about 50.

Hi,

 

The chart for KTVU RF 44 looks messy as does RF 48.

 

Stations on RF channels near RF 44 look clean.

 

Strange as the weather is messing up RF 44 and RF 48 leaving others clean.

 

SHF

post #9366 of 10425
KSBW 8 is now double strength here and locks on ...... (Thanks to this hot weather)
with some dropouts and huge signal surges most of the time.... Crazy
post #9367 of 10425

Hi,

 

Toast0 has given me permission to post the address of the KTVU RF 44 charts.

 

But I am having a problem inserting a working link.

 

Here is his starting page:

 

http://ruka.org/~toast/atscdata/index.html

 

Click on "(chart)" and use the Change Channel dropdown list to select KTVU RF 44

 

I do not know why KTVU RF 44 looks so different from the other stations on Sutro.

 

SHF

 

(Click on the image for a larger view.)

 

post #9368 of 10425
Happy birthday, Sutro Tower!

This Thursday (July 4th) is the 40th anniversary of Sutro Tower.
KTVU just had a little blurb about it and said they'll have a
behind-the-scenes piece on Thursday's 10 O'Clock News.


Patty
post #9369 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by wintertime View Post

Happy birthday, Sutro Tower!

This Thursday (July 4th) is the 40th anniversary of Sutro Tower.
KTVU just had a little blurb about it and said they'll have a
behind-the-scenes piece on Thursday's 10 O'Clock News.
Patty

Thanks, that was cool, funny how the elevator got stuck on them. Seems like they had more helicopter shots ... then actual catwalk video footage.eek.gif Whats up with that ? Channel 2 ?
Some repairman have posted better video on youtube. Search "Sutro 3" in the box.
It's scary if you don't like heights, as they point the camera down. They are safety "tied off" to the tower, so they are working off the catwalk.
post #9370 of 10425

Hi,

 

EDIT: KCSM has made a MAJOR change to 60.1 programming!

 

http://kcsm.org/tv/schedule.php

 

KCSM TV Schedule

 

 

Quote:

We are working hard to bring you the new MHz Worldview daily schedule. The anticipated relaunch of our schedule grid is on August 1, 2013. We are sorry for any inconvenience this delay has caused you.

You can still watch some of your favorite KCSM Local and Children's Programming (such as Sit & Be Fit, Classical Stretch, America's Test Kitchen, Biz Kids and Travel) daily from 2pm-5pm.

 

http://www.mhznetworks.org/schedule

 


Also 66.3 has a preview of getTV which is showing really old movies which will start in October 2013.

 

SHF


Edited by SFischer1 - 7/16/13 at 7:33am
post #9371 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

Also 66.3 has a preview of getTV which is showing really old movies which will start in October 2013.

KUVS 19.4 has also been showing this for awhile now. They're not just really old movies but they're really obscure old movies.

Chuck
post #9372 of 10425
KEMO Sale

KEMO owned by Una Vez Mas which shows Azteca programing has filed an application to sell the station citing financial difficulties.

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101553927&formid=315&fac_num=34440

I don't think the buyer is Spanish language based so I wonder if KEMO will revert to English programming? Or maybe it's being sold just to be auctioned next year?

Chuck
post #9373 of 10425

Hi,

 

KTVU signal is on the air at 06:00 but it has no data. 7/23/2013

 

This is for both RF 44 and RF 48.

 

SHF

 

EDIT back at 7:49 AM


Edited by SFischer1 - 7/23/13 at 7:51am
post #9374 of 10425
New sub channel ? 66 - 3 get-tv?
post #9375 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post

New sub channel ? 66 - 3 get-tv?

Hi,

 

YES! rolleyes.gif

 

Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

Also 66.3 has a preview of getTV which is showing really old movies which will start in October 2013.

 

Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post


KUVS 19.4 has also been showing this for awhile now. They're not just really old movies but they're really obscure old movies.

Chuck

 

"Suddenly" I recognized one of the obscure old movies. Maybe "The Man With The Golden Arm" will be shown soon.

 

SHF

We had the discussion only ten days ago right on this very list. wink.gif
post #9376 of 10425
What are my odds of getting OTA signals with an indoor antenna from a single-story house in Mountain View? From Antennaweb, it looks like most of the stations are on almost the same compass heading, 26-31 miles away from me and are "yellow". I have an older Zenith Silver Sensor I was planning to use, hooked to an HD Homerun (and a pair of better Samsung tuners). I'm really worried about NBC, since its still on VHF 12. (BTW... why does NBC do this?? our NBC here in Richmond remained on VHF as well!).

I'm moving from the East coast, where I've always lived in places with tons of leafy trees, and fairly low transmitters (and airplanes) leading to multipath. So I've got a very directional original CM4228 in my 3rd story attic here and I do fine. I see the more pixelization from our station's losing their network satellite link than I do from anything on my end. Well, all good things have to come to an end, and I'm relocating to a rental in Mountain View for work reasons. Being that its a rental, I don't want to make waves with the landlord by running wiring, or installing a large antenna. So that leaves me with an indoor, and I've got terrible memories of using indoor antennas from ~2004 or so. I know tuners have improved a LOT since then, and I'm wondering what kind of luck I'll have.

I'm also wondering if I'll have to swallow my pride and order cable. Blech.

Thanks & sorry for the newb question. I'm just hoping reception is better out there, because y'all have mountains to put your transmitters on!

Drew
post #9377 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewwho View Post

What are my odds of getting OTA signals with an indoor antenna from a single-story house in Mountain View?
...

I'm also wondering if I'll have to swallow my pride and order cable. Blech.

Thanks & sorry for the newb question. I'm just hoping reception is better out there, because y'all have mountains to put your transmitters on!

Drew

Hi,

 

I would say not good, but with an indoor antenna I do get some stations on the second story from a little to the South of you.

 

KTEH and KICU from the North East should be easy but it is very hard to tell without testing in your new location.

 

The problem with mountains all around is that they produce Multipath which will IMHO be your main source of failure.

 

If you will be in your new location for just a little time and your TV time is large, Cable would be a option.

 

Remember, the Big Channel Crunch is getting closer and low VHF may come alive again.

 

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

 

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29

 

These two are better, posting a link from the second may help us understand better.

 

SHF

post #9378 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewwho View Post

What are my odds of getting OTA signals with an indoor antenna from a single-story house in Mountain View?
Drew
Bring the 4228 antenna with you. It works in most areas. And the "indoor antenna" will only work if you put it "outside" in the yard.eek.gif
Working on antennas in Redwood City (A few towns north) I'd say reception was about average. Not bad, Not easy, just average.
post #9379 of 10425
Drat. I've already promised the 4228 to my tennant frown.gif I'll have to think about my options. My "good" tuners have Samsung demods, which deal quite well with multipath, but the HDHRs are a lost cause for multipath. Maybe I'll give it a whirl, and try to "upgrade" my internet to include cable if it doesn't work out.

I've attached the tvfool:



Naively, it doesn't look all that bad. At least all the stations I care about are in the same direction. Back in Raleigh, where I first tried indoor antennas and then moved on to the 4228, some stations were in a different direction, which was maddening for an indoor antenna.

Drew
post #9380 of 10425
Mt. View has good reception. But an indoor antenna will work .... like dial-up internet.
The ground clutter requires large multi-element antennas.
Freeways...Airports... Light Rail.... Trees .... Wind
.....you'll see
post #9381 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post

Mt. View has good reception. But an indoor antenna will work .... like dial-up internet.
The ground clutter requires large multi-element antennas.
Freeways...Airports... Light Rail.... Trees .... Wind
.....you'll see

I've seen 9 years ago on my first HDTV + HTPC. I'm just hoping that tuners have gotten enough better ..

Drew
post #9382 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewwho View Post

Drat. I've already promised the 4228 to my tennant frown.gif I'll have to think about my options. My "good" tuners have Samsung demods, which deal quite well with multipath, but the HDHRs are a lost cause for multipath. Maybe I'll give it a whirl, and try to "upgrade" my internet to include cable if it doesn't work out.

I've attached the tvfool:



Naively, it doesn't look all that bad. At least all the stations I care about are in the same direction. Back in Raleigh, where I first tried indoor antennas and then moved on to the 4228, some stations were in a different direction, which was maddening for an indoor antenna.

Drew

Hi,

 

I cannot read your TVFool.

 

EDIT: Clicking on the TVFool finally worked. redface.gif

 

Your location looks very much on the good side, I raise my estimate very much higher.

 

Too bad about the 4228, I get RF 7 and RF 12 with mine.

 

RF 7 ABC has an alternate on RF 35 but on Mt. Allison not Sutro. No alternate for RF 12 NBC.

 

http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html

 

SHF


Edited by SFischer1 - 7/26/13 at 6:51pm
post #9383 of 10425
drewwho,

I've used a Silver Sensor last year and received rf 9 & 10 with it, but only with a window facing correctly. If you can swing getting a location with a window facing north, it will greatly improve your odds of getting NBC. I'm 28 miles from the towers with a lower noise margin then is shown in your TvFool report. Best reception for one of the stations was with the Silver Sensor tipped on its side with the base elevated. Good Luck.
post #9384 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewwho View Post

What are my odds of getting OTA signals with an indoor antenna from a single-story house in Mountain View?

Why are you limited to an indoor antenna? Are you renting?

Chuck
post #9385 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewwho View Post

What are my odds of getting OTA signals with an indoor antenna from a single-story house in Mountain View? From Antennaweb, it looks like most of the stations are on almost the same compass heading, 26-31 miles away from me and are "yellow". I have an older Zenith Silver Sensor I was planning to use, hooked to an HD Homerun (and a pair of better Samsung tuners). I'm really worried about NBC, since its still on VHF 12. (BTW... why does NBC do this?? our NBC here in Richmond remained on VHF as well!).

I'm moving from the East coast, where I've always lived in places with tons of leafy trees, and fairly low transmitters (and airplanes) leading to multipath. So I've got a very directional original CM4228 in my 3rd story attic here and I do fine. I see the more pixelization from our station's losing their network satellite link than I do from anything on my end. Well, all good things have to come to an end, and I'm relocating to a rental in Mountain View for work reasons. Being that its a rental, I don't want to make waves with the landlord by running wiring, or installing a large antenna. So that leaves me with an indoor, and I've got terrible memories of using indoor antennas from ~2004 or so. I know tuners have improved a LOT since then, and I'm wondering what kind of luck I'll have.

I'm also wondering if I'll have to swallow my pride and order cable. Blech.

Thanks & sorry for the newb question. I'm just hoping reception is better out there, because y'all have mountains to put your transmitters on!

Drew

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

Why are you limited to an indoor antenna? Are you renting?

Chuck

He's renting Chuck...
post #9386 of 10425
I use an indoor antenna and get all the S.F. stations including the NBC station in San Jose (KNTV). I do not get KICU but that is no loss since I rarely watch. However I live on the ground floor of an apartment complex so I encounter interference primarily when the tenant above me walks around. Also I live in an area where we get fog and windy a lot, so occasionally signals are less then optimum. Mostly works fine but I still have basic cable (local broadcast channels only)when something really goes wrong with the signal. I use the Terk antenna.
post #9387 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post


He's renting Chuck...

How about asking the landlord for permission to put up a medium sized antenna? One of the Winegard HD769xP antennas would be a good choice since they are VHF and UHF.

I know someone in Mtn. View with an attic antenna and he tells me that some stations have problems at times so I suspect an outdoor antenna will be necessary for reliable reception.

I know I've said this before but if you want OTA, you need to put up the antenna that will do the job. The situation dictates the antenna, not the other way around.

Chuck
post #9388 of 10425
Quote:
Originally Posted by medtaylor View Post

... NBC station in San Jose (KNTV). ...

Hi,

 

KNTV's city of license is San Jose but it's transmitter is on Mt. San Bruno.

 

Their digital signal in San Jose meets the FCC requirement just like the analog transmitter KCSM was forced to put on the air but nobody could receive that were not in San Mateo.

 

SHF

post #9389 of 10425
Low power station KMMC, channel 40, on Mt. San Bruno has requested a power increase to 14 kW.

Larry
post #9390 of 10425

Hi,

 

KNTV 10 O Clock News said Univision TV Station in CC County was on the tower that was cut down by evil people.

 

I see that 14.1  RF 51 KDTV on Mt. Allison is still on the air and is in the wrong location.

 

Rocky Ridge in San Ramon is the location stated on air.

 

Looking at the report several times I am wondering if it was a TV transmitter.

 

Checking Larry's list none of the Univision entries match.

 

Another case of  "TV" not  being able to report on "TV" correctly or a translator?

 

SHF

 


Edited by SFischer1 - 7/30/13 at 11:05pm
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