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post #9481 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post


I just scanned RF 11. Nothing Digital using that channel. (From here)

Nothing seen on VHF below
2,3,4,5,6,11
Signal found on VHF
7,8,9,10,12,13

Using a old hot - boom yagi.

Hi,

 

I looked at their webpage(s) and the FCC records, found nothing that says that KOTR is on the air.

 

The construction permit must change IMHO to licensed when they turn the transmitter on.

 

So, Cable channel 11 is all that there is. If that is in jeopardy then the OTA transmitter might be ready to go.

 

 With 80% SF Bay households with Cable, Dish ... many stations are OTA just for "Cable must Carry" and IMHO that rule might be changing with the upcoming channel crunch.  (The 80% was before analog was turned off, anyone see later numbers?)

 

SHF

post #9482 of 10423
Last time I checked, KOTR is analog on channel 2
It takes extreme measures to get that station here...... For analog ? .......forget it.
I take a battery tv to another location to verify that.

Prime locations such as top of (Fairview at Hayward blvd.) Hayward
also top of (Fairmont st), San Leandro
Some spots get 100 channels.

Top of Farm Hill Boulevard in Redwood City is a prime spot for all of Sacramento stations plus San Francisco stations.
And other top - secret locations.smile.gif
post #9483 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post

Last time I checked, KOTR is analog on channel 2
...

Hi,

 

OK, I missed that, but I still cannot find it on their website unless it is hidden in the KOTR Media Info  PDF.

 

What was interesting was that KGO ABC news was replaced by KSBW NBC news on the ABC channel a year or so ago and now KRON News is on KOTR now. One SF news leaves, another one appears.

 

And KGO finally have dropped weather for Monterey here.

 

KRON is making money again, does their news appear elsewhere out of the SF Bay area?

 

SHF

post #9484 of 10423

Hi,

 

The website for MyNetTV shows it on KRON 4.4.

 

Not on the air yet. 8/21/2013

 

http://www.mynetworktv.com/stations.php

 

SHF

post #9485 of 10423
KOTR is still analog on channel 2 although it is barely detectable here these days. It is definitely not digital on channel 11. They've never filed a license to cover for the channel 11 construction permit. Their web page has dropped any reference to broadcast channel 2. It looks like they're really just a cable channel now and maintain a broadcast presence just to satisfy the FCC. They are not carried on Dish Network or Direct TV. They'll either have to put a digital station on the air in the next two years or go away entirely. They can't use repacking as an excuse since their construction permit is for channel 11 unless they think a full power station is going to take over channel 11 in the Bay Area.

Chuck
post #9486 of 10423
Here are some random comments on the recent discussion:

Welcome to the group, BATom!

The duplicate listings for KTVU 2 and KGO 7 are probably due to the fact that you're receiving both the main transmitter signal from Sutro Tower and their translator signal from the hills above Fremont, as Stephen suggested. The translators are close to you so you'll probably get a good signal from them even though your antenna isn't pointed in that direction. Many of the older tuners list everything they find, while newer ones don't list duplicates. For a list of all stations, showing their actual transmitter channels, check out my lists, linked below.

The reason for the duplicate of channel 11 is a mystery.

KOTR 11 is not on the air, as some of you have noted. Yes, it's in my list, but it's in the section for stations that have been approved but aren't on the air yet. Note there are two different sections to my listings... on the air and not on the air. KOTR 11 is supposed to coming on from the Loma Prieta location where KNTV used to be.

KRON is carrying the complete schedule of MyNetworkTV programming. It consists of two hours, from 9 to 11 pm, Monday through Friday. That's it. You'll find it on KRON 4.1.

Finally, conditions were really good a few days ago and I now have 104 channels in my list of stations received! (That's sub-channels, not actual channels.) I picked up KCVU 20 and KNVN 24 the other night for the second time. They transmit from the bluffs east of Red Bluff which is about 175 miles from here direct. They were received for about 5 minutes, then they disappeared. Sacramento stations continue to be up and down in strength, going above and below normal levels.

Larry
post #9487 of 10423
Scanning around the channels I found two new additions: KFTL 28.3 and 28.4. At present, 28.3 is the same as 28.1 and 28.4 has a "For Lease" notice but maybe we'll see something new on these. Right now 28.1 and 28.3 are ZUUS Latino, 28.2 is Home Shopping Network, 28.10 is the 24/7 Network offering products for sale, and 28.15 is ZUUS Country.

Larry
post #9488 of 10423

Hi,

 

As the News is all about the Rim Fire I have found two sites of interest:

 

What KTVU and KNTV showed a map from.

 

http://inciweb.org/incident/3660/

 

I have rode my motorcycle all over this area many times, even out on the dead end Jawbone ridge.

EDIT: The fire origin is on Jawbone ridge, way past the end of the road.

Quote:

Cause is listed as "USFS: Hunter caused huge wildfire near Yosemite".

 

 

Edit: 9/5/2012 10:30 AM

 

(Hat is fire origin)

 

 

CA 120 "Rim of the World Vista", Use Google Earth Street View to visit electronically.

 

 

Quote:

Origin of Rim Fire name:

The fire started near a scenic overlook in Stanislaus National Forest called “Rim of the World”

 

The Clavey river road was lots of fun. I camped at Cherry Valley several times.

 

Here is the NASA Page:

 

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=81919

 

I expect the final burned area will be something like the "Paper Cabin Ridge fire", if I remember the name correctly from many decades ago. (September 1987)

 

Our member in the area is too far away to be in danger, but smoke is a problem.

 

SHF


Edited by SFischer1 - 9/5/13 at 10:31am
post #9489 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Scanning around the channels I found two new additions: KFTL 28.3 and 28.4. At present, 28.3 is the same as 28.1 and 28.4 has a "For Lease" notice but maybe we'll see something new on these. Right now 28.1 and 28.3 are ZUUS Latino, 28.2 is Home Shopping Network, 28.10 is the 24/7 Network offering products for sale, and 28.15 is ZUUS Country.

Larry

I saw those channels as well last night plus I also got KEMO for the first time down in the south bay (Santa Clara) for a few minutes. I finally got my antenna cable run inside the attic with a distribution amp up there. I did have to go to a longer cable due to routing issues, so right now have 100'. So I wanted to rescan the channels and see if that longer cable had any affect. Once I am happy with the cable routing, I'll be cutting off the excess, so will end up around 60'-65'.
post #9490 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

I picked up KCVU 20 and KNVN 24 the other night for the second time.

Larry

I should check for those here. I saw those in the Roseville area, but not here.
Keep forgetting 24 is not KGO anymore from sutro. So that slot here is "Open"
The dial is full here from 43,44,45 47,48,49,50,51 ( I need to double check 46 again) It might be analog.
16, 17 are used for something else here. So those two will never pass a tv signal here.
6 has a problem with KQED radio here. But is not lost.
post #9491 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post

The dial is full here from 43,44,45 47,48,49,50,51 ( I need to double check 46 again) It might be analog.
16, 17 are used for something else here. So those two will never pass a tv signal here.
6 has a problem with KQED radio here. But is not lost.

46 is KQCA 58.1 MyNetTV and 58.2 This Movies in Sacramento. I get it here with a good signal most of the time.

There very few open channels. 15-18 is mobile, 20, 22 and 24 are open, but then it's solid from 25 to 30, 31 is open, then we have 32 to 36, 37 is not TV, then it's solid from 38 all the way to 51. Check my lists.

Larry
post #9492 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

46 is KQCA 58.1 MyNetTV and 58.2 This Movies in Sacramento. I get it here with a good signal most of the time.

There very few open channels. 15-18 is mobile, 20, 22 and 24 are open, but then it's solid from 25 to 30, 31 is open, then we have 32 to 36, 37 is not TV, then it's solid from 38 all the way to 51. Check my lists.

Larry
I see signal here on 31.eek.gif
So open would be
5, 11, 20, 22, 24
post #9493 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post

I see signal here on 31.eek.gif
So open would be
5, 11, 20, 22, 24
What's on 31? Or are you talking about KMAX 31 that transmits on 21 or are you getting something else?

2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 have nothing on them up here. I guess 2 and 6 have analog stations down your way. 3 and 4 have had CPs for ages, but they haven't shown up yet.

Larry
post #9494 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

What's on 31? Or are you talking about KMAX 31 that transmits on 21 or are you getting something else?

2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 have nothing on them up here. I guess 2 and 6 have analog stations down your way. 3 and 4 have had CPs for ages, but they haven't shown up yet.

Larry

31 has to be KSMS on Fremont Peak. Since they've upped their power to 500KW I can receive them here almost all the time and the East Bay can be a good place for Fremont Peak.

I was able to see KCSO on 3 at my friend's excellent location in Walnut Creek on a high VHF antenna. Seems doubtful for Hayward though.

Chuck
post #9495 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

31 has to be KSMS on Fremont Peak. Since they've upped their power to 500KW I can receive them here almost all the time and the East Bay can be a good place for Fremont Peak.

I was able to see KCSO on 3 at my friend's excellent location in Walnut Creek on a high VHF antenna. Seems doubtful for Hayward though.

Chuck

Forgot about 31 down on Fremont Peak. Also forgot about KCSO 3 over there in Sierra foothills. What kind of coverage do they have? Walnut Creek from San Andreas is damn good for a low power station!

Larry
post #9496 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Forgot about 31 down on Fremont Peak. Also forgot about KCSO 3 over there in Sierra foothills. What kind of coverage do they have? Walnut Creek from San Andreas is damn good for a low power station!

Larry

KCSO is sort of low power. They're running 5 KW under an STA. Isn't that close to full power on low VHF? Their antenna is at 3111' and it overlooks the valley so they have great coverage if you don't have noise issues. I would think you could receive them in SF if you didn't have noise. Channels 2, 4 and 5 were staples for people up here in the analog OTA days.

Chuck
post #9497 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

31 has to be KSMS on Fremont Peak. Since they've upped their power to 500KW I can receive them here almost all the time and the East Bay can be a good place for Fremont Peak.

I was able to see KCSO on 3 at my friend's excellent location in Walnut Creek on a high VHF antenna. Seems doubtful for Hayward though.

Chuck

I will look for 3. But the antenna is something like 10 feet by 20 feet. And requires work to put together. Most likely I will leave the directors off. (10 feet) and use the driven element section (10 more feet)
post #9498 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

What's on 31? getting something else?

Larry

67-1
post #9499 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post


67-1

Hi,

 

Go to:

 

 

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

 

And enter your zip code.

 

Then click on KSMS near the bottom.

 

You will see green in Hayward, CA

 

I believe you.

 

SHF

 

EDIT: I just added my zip code, the TV Fool Google map does not offer a link to publish like the normal TVFool.


Edited by SFischer1 - 8/26/13 at 6:55pm
post #9500 of 10423
I can get KCSO VHF 3 here in sonora; I am on the backlobe of their antenna (I don't think it is 360 degee coverage) and have to poloarize my single element antenna vertically in order to receive it.
Bob C
post #9501 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post

The Magenta:eek: signal zone .....

Hi,

 

When you get down to the street level you cannot trust the program.

 

Just seeing any green in the Hayward area says reception might be possible, but at ~ 71 miles not a good bet.

 

I get KEMO at 97 miles most of the time and there is no green nearby at all. KRCB also, 75 miles. (Great Antenna system, see my profile.  biggrin.gif)

 

There is another version of the mapping program. Click on L-R

 

http://www.rabbitears.info/maplist.php

 

I again see green near Hayward for KSMS.

 

At least the maps are entertaining.

 

SHF

post #9502 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

KCSO is sort of low power. They're running 5 KW under an STA. Isn't that close to full power on low VHF? Their antenna is at 3111' and it overlooks the valley so they have great coverage if you don't have noise issues. I would think you could receive them in SF if you didn't have noise. Channels 2, 4 and 5 were staples for people up here in the analog OTA days.
Chuck
I don't have any antenna that covers low VHF except for the LP-345 log periodic, and that doesn't have much gain for the lower frequencies. Since there is nothing on Sutro Tower on low VHF now to provide noise, maybe with a decent antenna I would get it.

Larry
post #9503 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post

If I see a stations signal, (KSMS) Doesn't mean It locks on.
Examples here of no- lock stations (RF channel numbers)
13, 25, 31,32, 42, 48,
32 is a big mystery here. Locked KEMO once before in front yard.
But antenna shows signal gains pointed to loma prieta in back yard ?
Reflection of KEMO ? or KION ?

The Magenta:eek: signal zone .....

I'm surprised you don't get a good signal on 42. That's KAXT channel 1 and it transmits from Mt. Allison, same place as KDTV 14 (RF 51) and KSTS 48 (RF 49). Do you get the KGO translator on channel 35? It's also transmitting from there with about the same signal strength at KAXT.

You mention that 32 is a mystery. It could be that KEMO and KION are interfering with each other. I used to get a good 22 to 23 dB SNR signal from KCRA on channel 35 from Walnut Grove until KGO's translator came on the air. Now I get a signal of about 13 dB SNR, and I don't know if it's KCRA or KGO or both.

Larry
SF
post #9504 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 888CALLFCC View Post


32 is a big mystery here. Locked KEMO once before in front yard.
But antenna shows signal gains pointed to loma prieta in back yard ?
Reflection of KEMO ? or KION ?

Probably KION. I used to be able to see it when I lived in Fremont on analog 46 even though it was noisy. I have co-channel interference issues here between KEMO and KION.

Chuck
Edited by Calaveras - 8/27/13 at 1:39pm
post #9505 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

I'm surprised you don't get a good signal on 42. That's KAXT channel 1 and it transmits from Mt. Allison, same place as KDTV 14 (RF 51) and KSTS 48 (RF 49). Do you get the KGO translator on channel 35? It's also transmitting from there with about the same signal strength at KAXT.
You mention that 32 is a mystery. It could be that KEMO and KION are interfering with each other.
Larry
SF

Mt. Allison is a bad spot for here. KTEH upped their power to deal with complaints. KICU did the same.
Almost immediately after the conversion.
The digital tv conversion turned a passable.... "ghost-filled image".... into a no signal nightmare here for those stations.
The retirement center down the street has a large channel master para-scope antenna used for those stations. (From the analog era) when they still made them.

The "Maximum Power" they promised only made the outdoor antenna sweet spots a little bigger.
So that 2 square foot antenna location that worked ...... turned into a 4 foot sweet spot on the roof.
So you kinda have more options, rolleyes.gif with still a multipath signal ... on the severe level

Back to your comment.
RF 42 No lock.... 2%
RF 35 No lock.... 1 %
RF 25 No lock.... 6 %
RF 31 No lock... 5 %
RF 32 No lock... 5 %

RF 36 Lock ......40%
RF 48 No Lock... 1 %
RF 49 Lock.......33%
RF 50 Lock.......45%
RF 51 Lock.......30%

Antenna(s) used .... (similar results)
standard 4 foot UHF Yagi
2 bay double bowtie (Used outdoors) twin lead removed.
Home made 4 bay bowtie with no reflector.
bowtie with directors and 2.5 foot parabolic type reflector. (RCA made)
C 5 antenna
coax made loop balun for ch 50 or 36
post #9506 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

Probably KION.
Chuck
Part of the mystery is that low signal levels on 23 show up too. KRCB So.... The neighbors stucco house is a giant reflector ? OR
I have found a "very small" spot that KION works.
I will do a 24 hour test. Twice a day, signals peak/surge and hopefully capture the station info.
or time to upgrade to 91xl antenna.
post #9507 of 10423
K02QO-D filed a "Notification of Suspension of Operations/Request for Silent STA" with the FCC today while they move their transmitter to the top of Mt. St. Helena. The CP authorizes them to use a non-diectional antenna and 3KW. No word on when they'll be on the air but their potential coverage area is huge. Looks like there again will be an RF 2 in the Bay Area.

Chuck
Edited by Calaveras - 8/28/13 at 9:42pm
post #9508 of 10423
888... Wow! I didn't realize that there was such a dead spot for stations from Mt. Allision and Monument Peak down there. I get better signals from those stations 35 miles away up here in the city.

Chuck... Let me know when channel 2 gets on the air. With no low VHF antenna, I doubt I'll see it, even though I get a good signal from KEMO.

Larry
post #9509 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post


Chuck... Let me know when channel 2 gets on the air. With no low VHF antenna, I doubt I'll see it, even though I get a good signal from KEMO.

Larry

I don't have a low VHF antenna either. Does anyone? Mt. St. Helena is a pretty good shot from here so it's possible I might see it anyway.

Chuck
post #9510 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

I don't have a low VHF antenna either. Does anyone?
Chuck

I have a winegard YA-1026 smile.gif Used for old KCRA. that I was saving for FM. But FM radio is now crap. So it sits folded up unused.

Trade it..... for a ............. a para-scope.

I also have a Radio Shack / Archer VU-75 (All-band) indoor-attic antenna used for sutro tower, san bruno mt. plus 47.
Edited by 888CALLFCC - 8/29/13 at 8:27pm
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