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Panny E50 vs Panny E80  

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
OK guys..........

If all you wanted to do was convert VHS to DVD and edit/author on a computer, would you still choose the E80 over the E50 based on the hard drive?
post #2 of 17
Depends...

For convenience, the hard drive is great. You can let the stuff sit for a while. Plus you don't need a PC DVD that reads RAMs. PLUS (perhaps best of all) you can record with the various speeds, especially FR mode, to get the best quality copies...
But if you're just dumping 2 Hr. VHS to RAM and then to PC for editing and burn, then probably not. Only 2 questions: Does the E50 have TBC when copying from VHS. And what's the price difference?
post #3 of 17
I have both. I use the E80 in my living room, for time-shifting and recording of material that I *might* want to commit to DVD later, but I also have an E50 that I use strictly for recording material (from VHS/Beta tapes) that I am going to import into the computer for further editing/authoring. IF that's all you plan on doing, then the E50 is fine. The picture quality is exactly the same (as far as I can see and/or measure) -- both the E80 and E50 have a TBC on the input that does really well at "hanging on" to the sometimes questionable quality of old tapes.


--Bill R.
post #4 of 17
If you buy a E50 and record to ram disc your PC burner needs to be able to read ram disc. If not you need to buy a DVD-Rom that can read ram disc, they sell for 30 to 35 dollars, so if not a big cost. also check this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=370908
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by wizargoz
PLUS (perhaps best of all) you can record with the various speeds, especially FR mode, to get the best quality copies...
Can you not record with the various speeds on the E50? I'd was planning to use FR mode. Do you need the hard drive for that?
post #6 of 17
The E50 can do the same "speeds" as the other Panasonic recorders, including FR.

--Bill R.
post #7 of 17
And in fact, shorter recordings even on the E80 are more convenient to record onto RAM, especially if planning to take it to the PC , it saves a dub.
post #8 of 17
of course, you can do LONGER UNATTENDED recordings on the E80, let's say you have a six hour tape you want to preserve @ SP (2 hour). Ghod knows you wouldn't record it at EP (bbbrrrr.... EP'ed EP... yuk).

with E80,

start tape,
come back in 6 hours,
chop into 2 hour (or what ever) hunks,
transfer to RAM,
go to PC

with E50

start tape
come back in 2 hours to change RAM's
start tape
come back in 2 hours to change RAM's
start tape
comb back in 2 hours to finish
take to PC

never mind if you want to do some DIRECT OFF AIR recording (30 hours on a timer anyone?)

question I used to ask my clients... "what's your TIME worth?"
post #9 of 17
I hate to start a new topic to get an answer, but I would really appreciate if the E50/E80 owners could give me a little help here...

Dubbing (or just recording) to RAM:

If I use the "Shorten Segment" feature, can I still edit, or even properly read the VRO file with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard on a PC? I'm having some trouble properly reading and/or playing back some VRO files from the RTAV folder, that I haven't figured out.
post #10 of 17
Tom,

I don't think that should be a problem, although I haven't tried it. I know I HAVE recorded multiple "programs" onto a RAM disc, and Womble just treated them as one continuous recording. I'll try "shortening" a segment when I get home tonight and see what happens.

BTW, are you transferring the VR_MOVIE.VRO file to your hard drive, or just accessing it directly from the RAM disc? I've found that things work a lot smoother if you transfer the whole thing to the PC first, and then work on it from there. Dunno if that's what might be causing your problem though, but I thought I'd toss it out there.

--Bill R.
post #11 of 17
I'm transferring the VRO file to the computer hard drive.

What happened, or is happening...(2) things.

1.) Something corrupt in the first few seconds of the raw VRO file opened from the RTAV folder of the PC hard drive where it was copied. TMPGEnc DVD Author won't read the file. If I use Womble to cut a few seconds off the beginning, then it will read. Womble has no trouble reading it, but you can see some type of jitter in the opening seconds of playback.

2.) This I only tried once...but I used shorten segment on the E80 to trim the beginning few seconds (instead of Womble), then continued using shorten segment to cut out the commercials. When I read THAT file into Womble, it was all screwed up. Dragging the timeline slider would progress seemingly normal, up until I reached a point where shorten segment had cut out a commercial, whereupon the frames that had been flashing by before now by froze on a single frame. Releasing the slider, it would jump forward in the timeline, whereupon playback resumed but without the audio. I exported that file as an mpeg, and upon playback in an mpeg player, it was again...all screwed up, the time-counter was counting minutes as hours or something similar, rolling over, freezing, stopping play.

I haven't reproduced it. I'm trying to avoid the recurrence, not sure what's causing either problem. Just wondering if I should not be pc-editing a VRO file that's had shorten segment applied???
post #12 of 17
Gentlemen, this is one of the drawbacks of trying to yank the VRO's off on their own. You must remember that the VRO is just a LARGE block of data, the TITLE is a series of linked blocks that may OR MAY NOT be contigqous on the drive.. if all you do is pull off the VRO, you're getting things in heaven only knows what order ...

the latest MVW is supposed to support multi-title VRO/IFO files and let you import them as seperate titles (Media Manager, Import Items) if it will import your title FROM THE RAM DISC, drag it to the time line and then immediately write it out to the HD, then edit that file.. see if that solves your problems
post #13 of 17
I sometimes have that problem with VRO files. After I recorded something on the Ram disc on my E50 when I put it in DVD-rom and transfer it, only to find that TMPGEnc DVD Author when I click on 'add DVD video wouldnt read it. Sometime I got lucky, I just did the Add file and point it to the VRO file and it worked. I think its has to do with how a Panny writes on the DVD-Ram. However what I ended up doing is before I copy the ram file to the hard drive I always open TMPGEnc DVD Author and click on Add DVD video and point it to the file on the ram disc to see if it sees it right. If it does I copy the file to the hard drive. If it dont read it I end up recording the movie again on the ram disc. This happens to me about 1 in every 50 recording on a ram disc.
post #14 of 17
Quote:
Originally posted by Londo
Gentlemen, this is one of the drawbacks of trying to yank the VRO's off on their own. You must remember that the VRO is just a LARGE block of data, the TITLE is a series of linked blocks that may OR MAY NOT be contigqous on the drive.. if all you do is pull off the VRO, you're getting things in heaven only knows what order ...

the latest MVW is supposed to support multi-title VRO/IFO files and let you import them as seperate titles (Media Manager, Import Items) if it will import your title FROM THE RAM DISC, drag it to the time line and then immediately write it out to the HD, then edit that file.. see if that solves your problems
Okay then. Maybe the reason why it has worked (when it has) is due to the fact that I've always used a formatted ram disk, and only a single title. The last one I tried this way, the disk was read by MVW without problem, and edited upon successfully without first writing it out to the HD. It authored and burned fine, after cutting away the first few seconds where the corrupted jitter (noted earlier) had caused authoring problems with TMPGEnc DVD Author.

What would be nice, would be to record to ram disk with E80, use shorten segment to quickly edit the commercials, watch the ram disk play in my Panasonic RP82 player (it does this nicely)....and then afterward, archive it to DVD-R. Maybe I'll just watch the ram disk play without using the shorten segment, fast forward the commercials, and re-author afterward with Womble and DVD Author.
post #15 of 17
Quote:
Originally posted by Gun4u
I sometimes have that problem with VRO files. After I recorded something on the Ram disc on my E50 when I put it in DVD-rom and transfer it, only to find that TMPGEnc DVD Author when I click on 'add DVD video wouldnt read it. Sometime I got lucky, I just did the Add file and point it to the VRO file and it worked. I think its has to do with how a Panny writes on the DVD-Ram. However what I ended up doing is before I copy the ram file to the hard drive I always open TMPGEnc DVD Author and click on Add DVD video and point it to the file on the ram disc to see if it sees it right. If it does I copy the file to the hard drive. If it dont read it I end up recording the movie again on the ram disc. This happens to me about 1 in every 50 recording on a ram disc.
In my case, the very first time I tried to read a ram disk with DVD Author, or read from the RTAV folder copied to the pc hard drive, it opened up the file just fine. Thereafter, it NEVER would. I haven't been able to open a VRO file, or RTAV folder with DVD Author since that very first time, EVER! (Unless I chop off the first few seconds at the beginning of the video.)

I've scratched my head why it did that first time once, and thereafter never, and the only thing that comes to mind as different from the first time when it did work, was that I didn't know you had to format a blank DVD ram disk. The disk was a Panasonic brand, already formatted apparently. But thereafter, formatting it in the E80 and I have had the glitch.
post #16 of 17
Oh I forgot to ask what version of DVD Author are you using? The one I am using is 1.5.15.49. Also I have never format a ram disc I think, I just open the case and put it in the recorder and it works.
post #17 of 17
1.5.20.62
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