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post #211 of 1092
Any idea if it's possible to get OTA of 8 and 10 in Santee? You've got that huge hill (with 52 going over it) in between you and Mt Soledad. I've got a Channel Master 4221 (model? its the 4-bowtie model) on the roof but it barely pulls-in 8 with the antenna pointed straight west (which prevents picking-up Mt Miguel very well) and does not pull-in 10, at all.

I suspect I would need a super-duper tall mast...
post #212 of 1092
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Originally Posted by OniKoroshi View Post

Anyone else with TWC notice we lost inHD2 and they replaced it with Universal HD?

Weren't you paying attention? It was announced by InHD themselves that InHD2 was going away at the end of 2006. There just wasn't enough programming to justify 2 channels.
post #213 of 1092
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Originally Posted by ucsbgaucho View Post

KFMB will also start doing their local news in HD starting in January....

Check channel 8 starting Monday, January 22. Appears that's the start date for news in HD.
post #214 of 1092
I'm in San Diego county, and currently a D* TV subscriber. I'm finally wanting to upgrade to HD, and was wondering if there were any San Diego Cox HD subscribers out there?

Having read many of the horror stories regarding HD-Lite, and compression of signal quality, can somebody in this area relate their experiences with the quality and service of their Cox HD signal?

I have two HD Displays, both 720p native, and would prefer to hook up the 52" display in the living room via HDMI. the bedroom 32" display is a bit older, and only has component inputs, if that helps for comparison purposes.

Apologies if this has been discussed prior, but I searched the threads for any info on this, but didn't see anything related to this.

Thanks.
post #215 of 1092
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post #216 of 1092
hi all --

next week we're moving to mission valley (zip code 92108). i'm having the directv installer come out to put a dish up next friday, and i had a few questions. we're moving from new york, where i got all the east coast national feeds, so i didn't need an OTA antenna. i've checked antennaweb.org, and it seems i'll need a rooftop antenna for the HD channels. i have the hr10-250 and am not interested in upgrading to the hr20. what i'm wondering is if the installer will be able to put up an antenna at the same time as the new dish, or if i'll have to request him to do so. thanks for any suggestions.
post #217 of 1092
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post #218 of 1092
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Originally Posted by Show1 View Post

I'm in San Diego county, and currently a D* TV subscriber. I'm finally wanting to upgrade to HD, and was wondering if there were any San Diego Cox HD subscribers out there?

Having read many of the horror stories regarding HD-Lite, and compression of signal quality, can somebody in this area relate their experiences with the quality and service of their Cox HD signal?

I live in east county and the Cox signal here is very good on some stations, acceptable on others and so-so on still others.

The biggest problem appears to be bandwidth related - noisy, blocky pictures on motion and occasional frame dropouts and pixelization, accompanied with "burps" in the sound. This happens both through the cable box and direct so it is either the channel or the head end. CWHD is the worst, followed by FOXHD.

On the other hand, PBSHD, DiscoveryHD and INHD are awesome which leads me to think that the problems originate at the channels themselves rather than in the cable system. Also, watching the Padres on Channel 4 HD is almost worth the price alone!

The rest of the channels are somewhere in between. Channel 8 just started showing news in 16:9 HD last night and it is pretty good.

I just wish there was more HD programming available. I understand that Cox is going to add more HD channels this year and I can hardly wait.
post #219 of 1092
Has anyone had any success using an HD set with a QAM tuner to pick up HD signals in the Otay Lakes, Chula Vista area?
post #220 of 1092
Does COX East County provide any QAM channels in the clear, e.g. the local HD channels?
post #221 of 1092
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Originally Posted by sdsalsero View Post

Does COX East County provide any QAM channels in the clear, e.g. the local HD channels?

Yes, they do. All of the local HD channels (except Channel 4) can be received directly on a QAM tuner.
  • 75.1 = Mi San Diego (SD)
  • 75.2 = ABC HD
  • 75.3 = NBC 7/39 Weather Plus (SD)
  • 75.4 = NBC HD
  • 79.2 = KPBS (SD)
  • 79.3 = FOX HD
  • 79.5 = PBS HD
  • 91.2 = CW HD
  • 91.3 = CBS HD
Plus many of the "900" audio-only channels.
post #222 of 1092
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

I live in east county and the Cox signal here is very good on some stations, acceptable on others and so-so on still others.

The biggest problem appears to be bandwidth related - noisy, blocky pictures on motion and occasional frame dropouts and pixelization, accompanied with "burps" in the sound. This happens both through the cable box and direct so it is either the channel or the head end. CWHD is the worst, followed by FOXHD.

On the other hand, PBSHD, DiscoveryHD and INHD are awesome which leads me to think that the problems originate at the channels themselves rather than in the cable system. Also, watching the Padres on Channel 4 HD is almost worth the price alone!

The rest of the channels are somewhere in between. Channel 8 just started showing news in 16:9 HD last night and it is pretty good.

I just wish there was more HD programming available. I understand that Cox is going to add more HD channels this year and I can hardly wait.


I ultimately stayed with DA*TV, and order the HD Package last week. Cox wanted too much money for too few HD channels. I went with 1 HD Receiver and on HD-DVR Receiver. DVR in the living room, and HD Receiver in the MBR....

Spent about 3.5 hrs running 2 RG-6 lines direct from MBR to dish, plus 2 CAT6 Lines from MBR to Hall Closet (LR DVR & 7.1 Receiver), all through the attic. Not the greatest fun, but ultimately glad I ran hi-quality cables. Thankfully, I had previously run two RG-6 Lines from Hall closet to dish.

they're so jammed with installs, that i won't get mine until 18th of February, a Sunday. Told me they were so backlogged, that they're doing installs 7 days a week....

will keep you posted once i get service....

thanks for all the input into your experiences....
post #223 of 1092
Time Warner Ends Unscalable' Trial
By Tom Steinert-Threlkeld 2/2/2007 7:56:00 PM

Let's say you could watch 75 channels of cable television on your PC. Would you? No. At least 99% of the time.

Time Warner Cable said Thursday that fewer than 1% of the 9,000 customers to which it had been providing basic television service to their PCs actually watched any TV that way on any given day.

And it's not like the residents in the Mira Mesa and Tierrasanta residential areas of San Diego didn't have a chance to warm up to the idea of getting their TV service on their PCs. The test started July 8, 2005, and it was turned off Jan. 25 of this year, after 566 days of operation.

Which should give heart to operators and programmers of video services aimed directly at the family-room TV: Long-form television is not something the average American wants to view on a computer screen, said Peter Stern, executive vice president of product management for Time Warner.

Perhaps that's no huge surprise, but it was still reassuring to confirm that, he added.

The test was open only to customers who subscribed to Time Warner video and Internet services. Conventional analog- and digital-TV signals were converted to streams of packets that adhered to Internet-protocol conventions at two hubs in the San Diego area and sent to trial participants around the clock.

Basic-TV subscribers were entitled to view 15 channels, primarily local broadcast signals, while expanded-basic subscribers would receive the normal fare of mainstream cable programming, ranging from Fox News Channel to Discovery Channel to ESPN to MTV. More than 90% of the participants were expanded-basic subscribers, able to watch the normal gamut of ad-supported cable programming.

Stern said the PC did not become a replacement for the television in participating homes. Instead, the channels that came into their PCs were used almost as a second thought. Viewers who used the service might be working on their computer in their office and trying to keep on top of a live sports event, like a baseball game, or the news, through a cable news channel.

A channel like CNN or Fox can often be an ambient background channel, he added.

The other common condition that would propel usage of a PC as a second screen in a household would be a timing conflict. If one person is watching CSI, a second American Chopper and another wants to watch Grey's Anatomy, then the PC might get thrown into the mix to add viewing capacity.

In effect, the PC would become the TV of last resort, Stern said.

Still, Time Warner believes the trial was a success. The company learned that it could deliver 75 channels of TV to viewers through their Internet connections.

But the company shut down the test because it knew from the beginning that its technical approach to delivering TV to PC users in San Diego could not be used on a mass scale.

In its test, Time Warner had to install a device called a transcoder for every channel. Each transcoder would convert one analog or digital channel that was going out to TV viewers into IP packets that could be sent to the PC viewers.

And it would have had to add 75 transcoders in every advertising zone in which it wanted to deliver TV programming to PC users in order to expand into a commercial service.

This is not a scalable approach, Stern said.

So even though Time Warner shut down the San Diego experiment, it assigned video engineers in Westminster, Colo., and data engineers in Herndon, Va., to come up with a better approach.

But the MSO has not determined when it might try to improve on what it tried out in San Diego, Stern said.

Whenever that is, the new approach is likely to try to more directly meld short-form video content that can be pulled off the Internet with the scheduled half-hour, one-hour and longer programming of TV channels, he added.

In the meantime, Time Warner is delivering TV-like services with individual, short shows pulled from the Net to viewers. The company's high-speed-Internet service, Road Runner, is operating a video-clip, preview and trailer service in the Akron, Cleveland and Columbus areas of Ohio and in Bright House Networks' Tampa and Orlando systems in Florida.

And cable-system operators and programmers can breathe a sigh of relief. As a result of this test, we happen to believe broadband [Internet access] is not likely to be a substitute for linear cable TV for mainstream American households, where families tend to watch eight hours or more of television per day, Stern said.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/...=Breaking+News
post #224 of 1092
I could have told them it was a waste. I have an hp Media Center PC with a built-in tuner and have connected the cable to it. It gets all of the analog channels. I watched it once in the 6 months since I hooked it up.
post #225 of 1092
hey guys, I want to get OTA locals, but the HD ones specifically. We have direcTV and do not get KUSI which is a local and exclusive channel to san diego. For some reason, KUSI appears to require a MEDIUM-sized antenna even though its coordinates and distances are the same as other locals. All other locals appear to need a small-sized antenna. here are the coordinates and distances from 92126, my home zip code:

* yellow - uhf KGTV-DT 10.1 ABC SAN DIEGO CA 225° 8.5 miles
* yellow - uhf KPBS-DT 15.1 PBS SAN DIEGO CA 129° 18.1 miles
* yellow - uhf KNSD-DT 39.1 NBC SAN DIEGO CA 129° 18.1 miles
* yellow - uhf KSWB-DT 5.1 CW SAN DIEGO CA 131° 17.8 miles
* yellow - uhf KFMB-DT 8.1 CBS SAN DIEGO CA 224° 8.5 miles
* blue - uhf KUSI-DT 51.1 IND SAN DIEGO CA 129° 18.1 miles

blue= medium directional w/ pre-amp
yellow=small multi-directional


should i look for a small or medium antenna? should it be multidirectional or just directional? does it have to go outside the house? trying to spend as LITTLE as possible here! but whatevers the best buy for me please let me know, i live in mira mesa
post #226 of 1092
definitely outside if at all possible. The signal will be twice as strong.

Do you have a window facing southeast? If so, just try a basic table-top antenna in the window. All you're concerned about is UHF (VHF is only analog stations). The best table-top antenna is the RCA Silver Stream or something like that. It looks like a foot-long arrowhead. Don't worry about an amplifier.

If that doesn't work, return the table-top antenna and get a Channel Master 4221 instead. This is a medium-size outdoor UHF antenna. You'll need to get a mount, too. Honestly, the only 'tricky' part is running the antenna cable out through a wall.
post #227 of 1092
Actually it's more like 20 times stronger (about 13 dB +/- 7dB) outside than indoors/attic.
post #228 of 1092
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Originally Posted by hakaveli View Post

hey guys, I want to get OTA locals, but the HD ones specifically. We have direcTV and do not get KUSI which is a local and exclusive channel to san diego. For some reason, KUSI appears to require a MEDIUM-sized antenna even though its coordinates and distances are the same as other locals. All other locals appear to need a small-sized antenna. here are the coordinates and distances from 92126, my home zip code:

* yellow - uhf KGTV-DT 10.1 ABC SAN DIEGO CA 225° 8.5 miles
* yellow - uhf KPBS-DT 15.1 PBS SAN DIEGO CA 129° 18.1 miles
* yellow - uhf KNSD-DT 39.1 NBC SAN DIEGO CA 129° 18.1 miles
* yellow - uhf KSWB-DT 5.1 CW SAN DIEGO CA 131° 17.8 miles
* yellow - uhf KFMB-DT 8.1 CBS SAN DIEGO CA 224° 8.5 miles
* blue - uhf KUSI-DT 51.1 IND SAN DIEGO CA 129° 18.1 miles

blue= medium directional w/ pre-amp
yellow=small multi-directional


should i look for a small or medium antenna? should it be multidirectional or just directional? does it have to go outside the house? trying to spend as LITTLE as possible here! but whatevers the best buy for me please let me know, i live in mira mesa

KUSI-DT only broadcasts low-rez 480i.
And uses that awful stretched FAT-O-VISION, wherein they take a 4:3 image and fit it to a 16:9 display.

You are better off watching their analog CH51.

BTW: Several months ago, KUSI-DT must have upped their power...
For my marginal location (behind a 60-ft hill), it now comes in about the same
as other Mt Miguel stations, whereas before it was always difficult to receive.
I'm in N-E PQ, 22 miles from Mt Miguel.
post #229 of 1092
Sorry if I've missed this. Can someone send out the channel numbers
for time warner cable QAM tuned free HD locals again? I'm having
trouble finding them. Of course, time warner is not interested in helping.....
post #230 of 1092
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Originally Posted by flatpanel View Post

Sorry if I've missed this. Can someone send out the channel numbers
for time warner cable QAM tuned free HD locals again? I'm having
trouble finding them. Of course, time warner is not interested in helping.....

Can't your tuner scan for them?
post #231 of 1092
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

Can't your tuner scan for them?

Nope, several scans worth, but the tuner didn't pick them
up. I've heard that you may have to enter them directly, so was wondering
if someone had a list like the cox stations listed above. I'll check the
san diego forum. Thanks.
post #232 of 1092
Hello all,

I hear that TimeWarner Cable is rolling out their new Navigator interface for the DVR. I've also heard that it's total crap and extremely buggy. Has anyone used it yet? If so, what are your experiences with it so far?

On an unrelated note, does anyone know when the Verizon FiOS service is expected in North County?

Thanks,

James
post #233 of 1092
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Originally Posted by kamgol View Post

Hello all,

I hear that TimeWarner Cable is rolling out their new Navigator interface for the DVR. I've also heard that it's total crap and extremely buggy. Has anyone used it yet? If so, what are your experiences with it so far?

On an unrelated note, does anyone know when the Verizon FiOS service is expected in North County?

Thanks,

James

If you are in AT&T country (vice Verizon), then keep checking for U-Verse TV...probably some time this year:
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=109292
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=5838
It's not FiOS, but it does offer a lot more HD channels than cable companies....plus extensive VOD via IPTV....
Total data rate is about 25 Mbps, split among either one HD H.264/MPEG4 channel or record/watch up to 4 SD channels,
about 6/1 Mbps Down/Up for Internet and VoIP phone service.
Data rate is planned to double (next year?) by using both copper pairs going into your house vice just one pair
at which time HD-DVR should be able to watch/record two HD's.

I haven't seen anything re FiOS in S.D., other than it's planned for the future....somewhere....

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Although we just received an update to PASSPORT ECHO, the Digital Navigator Guide has yet to make an appearance.....
Which is a GOOD THING.....it's not ready for late night TV, much less Prime Time....
post #234 of 1092
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

If you are in AT&T country (vice Verizon), then keep checking for U-Verse TV...probably some time this year:
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=109292
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=5838
It's not FiOS, but it does offer a lot more HD channels than cable companies....plus extensive VOD via IPTV....
Total data rate is about 25 Mbps, split among either one HD H.264/MPEG4 channel or record/watch up to 4 SD channels,
about 6/1 Mbps Down/Up for Internet and VoIP phone service.
Data rate is planned to double (next year?) by using both copper pairs going into your house vice just one pair
at which time HD-DVR should be able to watch/record two HD's.

I haven't seen anything re FiOS in S.D., other than it's planned for the future....somewhere....

======================================
Although we just received an update to PASSPORT ECHO, the Digital Navigator Guide has yet to make an appearance.....
Which is a GOOD THING.....it's not ready for late night TV, much less Prime Time....

Thanks for that info, it's really helpful. I'll be waiting anxiously for U-Verse to switch, hopefully before the new Navigator takes over my box and turns it into a brick.

Update - I've been reading threads from a slew of websites and it seems U-Verse is destined for the San Diego area sometime in April-May timeframe, which probably means June or July.

Does anyone out there have a contact at AT&T or know of someone that has more information on the U-Verse roll out in SD?
post #235 of 1092
I am in the Mission Valley (just above Fashion Valley) & have DirecTV. I would like to get an internal antenna that will be able to pick up the HD channels.

I just bought the Philips PHDTV1, but I can only pick up a few channels, such as PBS, Fox, and NBC, but I cannot pick up ABC, CBS, or even CW.

These are the results that I got from Antennaweb:
yellow - uhf KSWB-DT 5.1 CW SAN DIEGO CA 99° 14.0 19
yellow - uhf KPBS-DT 15.1 PBS SAN DIEGO CA 97° 14.5 30
yellow - uhf XETV-DT 6.1 FOX TIJUANA MX 145° 20.1 23
green - uhf KGTV-DT 10.1 ABC SAN DIEGO CA 302° 6.6 25
lt green - uhf KUSI-DT 51.1 IND SAN DIEGO CA 98° 14.5 18
red - uhf KFMB-DT 8.1 CBS SAN DIEGO CA 301° 6.6 55

I know that most people recommend an outdoor antenna. However, because we rent, I'd rather not go through the trouble of installing an outdoor antenna.

Any recommendations for antennas (as well as where to buy them) would be greatly appreciated.
post #236 of 1092
Is anyone else having trouble with Time Warner QAM on NBC? and maybe FOX? It used to be pretty good but lately it has been having issues with the sound cutting out and some mosaics on the screen.
Could be my TV I guess but it's just these couple channels.
post #237 of 1092
Looks like as of Feb 14, Cox is now sending out PSIP data in their local HD data streams. If your QAM tuner correctly handles PSIP data, and doesn't have a CableCard (which enforces its own channel mapping), this means that all of your clear-QAM local HD channels on Cox cable are now mapped to their OTA channel numbers:

0.0 KSWB-HD
6.1 XETV-HD
8.1 KFMB-DT
10.1 KGTV-DT
15.1 KPBS-HD
39.1 KNSD HD

These are all correct except for KSWB-HD! This channel should be mapped to 5.1, but it looks like the PSIP data for this channel is corrupt! The station ID/call letters come through OK, but one of my QAM tuners has it mapped to channel 0.0, and another is forced to ignore the PSIP data for this channel completely and keep it mapped at its QAM frequency of 91.2.

Does anyone know what the heck is up with KSWB's PSIP data? I have contacted both KSWB and Cox, but so far no resolution.
post #238 of 1092
Although KSWB is CH5 on Cable, the Analog broadcast is CH69 and on my OTA Tuner displays as (virtual) CH69.1.
Hence it SHOULD show up as CH69.1 if COX is correctly passing through PSIP.

KTLA has legitimate claim to the REAL CH5 (Analog) and CH5.1 (Virtual) numbers.

Not too long ago, KSWB-DT was incorrectly using 5.1 for virtual OTA channel number (vice current 69.1).
This caused problems for those OTA users who could receive duplicate CH5.1 PSIP from KTLA-DT and KSWB-DT.

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It will be interesting to see what these two stations will do in Feb2009 when KTLA shuts down CH5
and only broadcasts on current digital CH31.....and KSWB shuts down CH69 and stays on current digital CH19.

Would they then change the virtual PSIP to match their REAL CH31 and CH19 respectively????
post #239 of 1092
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Miller View Post

Looks like as of Feb 14, Cox is now sending out PSIP data in their local HD data streams. If your QAM tuner correctly handles PSIP data, and doesn't have a CableCard (which enforces its own channel mapping), this means that all of your clear-QAM local HD channels on Cox cable are now mapped to their OTA channel numbers:

0.0 KSWB-HD
6.1 XETV-HD
8.1 KFMB-DT
10.1 KGTV-DT
15.1 KPBS-HD
39.1 KNSD HD

These are all correct except for KSWB-HD! This channel should be mapped to 5.1, but it looks like the PSIP data for this channel is corrupt! The station ID/call letters come through OK, but one of my QAM tuners has it mapped to channel 0.0, and another is forced to ignore the PSIP data for this channel completely and keep it mapped at its QAM frequency of 91.2.

Does anyone know what the heck is up with KSWB's PSIP data? I have contacted both KSWB and Cox, but so far no resolution.

Does anyone know if the KSWB-HD channel is available on TimeWarner Cable?
post #240 of 1092
Quote:
Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

Although KSWB is CH5 on Cable, the Analog broadcast is CH69 and on my OTA Tuner displays as (virtual) CH69.1.

Thanks for the info, holl_ands. I've been confused trying to determine exactly what OTA channel KSWB-DT should be using.

Over-the-air, have you been getting good PSIP data for KSWB-DT during the last few days? Over Cox, it isn't mapped to 69.1 or 5.1...the channel number is garbage.
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