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post #15721 of 16013
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post

Since attic space is tight, that rules out a 10-12' antenna like you probably need.

Therefore, use two antennas that can be independently positioned. I'd suggest the DB4e for UHF and an AntennaCraft Y5713 (if space permits). If you don't have space for the Y5713, then substitute the ClearStream 5 as it's much more compact. Use an RCA TVPRAMP1R to combine and amplify the signals at the antenna location. Skip the high-gain CM preamplifier, you don't need it based on your stated requirements.
That is probably your best suggestion. Or you could try an HBU-33 or 7696 combo antenna, but sounds like space may not allow. But you should be able to get most major DC channels. For Baltimore at 66 miles you would need a 7698 or HBU-55 outside.
post #15722 of 16013
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

slapshot - You have lots of strong stations and all LOS so it should be easy. An attic antenna ought to do the job. Make sure you get something with both VHF and UHF. Maybe your current indoor antenna doesn't have VHF and that would be the reason you don't get CBS. High VHF is a bit harder to get indoors than UHF. I'd suggest the Winegard HDP7694 or the Antennacraft equivalent.



Thanks for the suggestion.
Price is decent too, I'll check it out.
post #15723 of 16013
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Originally Posted by daveinmaryland View Post

Thanks for your patience, I hope this pastes correctly.

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Thanks again.

Your original idea of using a CM4228 would work great for you... if you can fit it into the attic. It's screen is close to 3 feet square. You'll need to add an antenna for High VHF though to get channels 7 and 9 reliably.

What I would suggest is a Winegard HDP7694. It's longer than the 4228, but not very tall and includes both High VHF and UHF capability. You should have excellent reception with one of those pointed at 337 degrees.

Larry
SF
post #15724 of 16013
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Your original idea of using a CM4228 would work great for you... if you can fit it into the attic. It's screen is close to 3 feet square. You'll need to add an antenna for High VHF though to get channels 7 and 9 reliably.

What I would suggest is a Winegard HDP7694. It's longer than the 4228, but not very tall and includes both High VHF and UHF capability. You should have excellent reception with one of those pointed at 337 degrees.

Larry
SF

I have a CM 4228 (old, original model). It is in my attic, and works quite well. Even though the xmtrs I receive are 47 miles away, I get a good signal level. And, what REALLY surprises me is that I get channel 8 (real channel 9) and channel 13 (real channel 13) quite reliably. Albeit, the signal level is noticeably lower than the other UHF stations I get. I concur the height of the antenna can be a problem. In my situation, though, it works out nicely. Just FYI.
post #15725 of 16013
I would very much appreciate feedback and suggestions for improving my OTA reception. Here's my TVFool snapshot and link.

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I am currently using an RCA ANT751R antenna attached to the side of my house near the peak of the roof, pointed at about 3 degrees. I think I have it high enough to avoid trees, but at 30 feet high I seem to be on the cusp of getting LOS vs 1EDGE on the closer towers, presumably because I am south of the river and so have the river bluffs several miles to my north.

I am able to pick up most of the nearby local channels, but a couple are a bit spotty in that I sometimes get them, and other times I don't. The one channel I do not get at all that I would really like to pull in is ION 41, the UHF channel located about 48 miles away at about 326 degrees. I see my antenna is rated for up to 40 miles, which was more than enough at my old house, but having relocated further away from the towers I am thinking I need to upgrade my antenna to get the results I would like in this house.

I have tinkered with adjusting the aiming of the antenna a bit, and rescanned several times. When I aim at about 3 degrees, I get decent but inconsistent reception on the signals from the nearby towers, but nothing for ION 41. When I aim at 326 degrees I have no luck pulling in ION 41, AND I lose the signals from the closer towers. Obviously I have settled for getting what I can by re-aiming at 3 degrees.

I was concerned that my long run of RG6 (about 80 feet) might be at fault so I tried adding a preamp (RCA TVPRAMP1R) that others with my antenna report success with, but it did not seem to impact the reception, so I am left thinking I need to get another antenna with better long range reception, in the hopes I could not only solidify the reception of the nearby channels and also (hopefully) pull in ION 41. I need both Hi VHF and UHF capability, but am not sure if I should try to combine my current combination antenna with a long range UHF antenna, or if that will introduce new problems so perhaps I would be best served by one new long range antenna with UHF and High VHF combination.

I can easily set up a large antenna in my large attic, or alternatively a slightly smaller one on the roof somewhere if need be. I have been avoiding the very top of the roof for appearances sake, and would prefer to avoid that or at least minimize the visual impact of any external antenna.

Any feedback or suggestions from those with more experience than me would be greatly appreciated.

Happy 2014!
post #15726 of 16013
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Originally Posted by hanesian View Post

I would very much appreciate feedback and suggestions for improving my OTA reception.
I am currently using an RCA ANT751R antenna attached to the side of my house near the peak of the roof, pointed at about 3 degrees. The one channel I do not get at all that I would really like to pull in is ION 41, the UHF channel located about 48 miles away at about 326 degrees.
Happy 2014!

Happy New Year to you, too!

I think you need an antenna with more gain. The ANT751 is okay for the immediate area, but KPXM Ion 41 is in the yellow zone, plus it is 2 edge, which means that there are two hills or ridges between you and their transmitter. I recommend the Channel Master CM4228. It has has good gain all across the UHF band. KMSP channel 9 is your only VHF channel but it's strong enough that I think the CM4228 will pick it up okay. The 4228 has a wide pick up area so it should cover the span from 326 to 5 degrees where your signals come from. You might need to experiment to find the best direction for best overall reception.

I use the 4228 and have been very happy with the results. It pulls in stations that are 60 to 65 miles away with no problem.

Larry
SF
post #15727 of 16013

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I've decided to "cut the cord" from Time-Warner cable here in central North Carolina and I'm trying to get the optimal setup.

I’m currently using a Radio Shack 15-1874 UHF/VHF, which are the basic rabbit ears with a 7.5” loop. I have it located in my attic near the gable window about 18 feet above ground level. I have a 25-foot run of RG6 cable from the antenna to a 2-line splitter, and I run two TV’s. I receive most of the stations out to 13.8 miles, but it’s spotty after that. Most of these are southwest of me. I’d really like to pick up channel 31 (12.1) out at 37.5 miles to the northwest.

As I understand it, the loop on this antenna is for UHF and the rabbit ears/dipoles are for VHF. Is this correct?

The nearest VHF station is a PBS station 38 miles from me, but I receive PBS on a nearer UHF station anyway, so I’m not concerned with VHF reception.

If so, given that VHF is not important to me would I get better reception by using a UHF only antenna, such as the Clearstream or Antennas Direct DB line? Would they give me a bit broader coverage than the RS rabbit ears/loop I’m using now? Amplified or not?

Thanks.

 

 


Edited by JayCeeNC - 1/4/14 at 7:28pm
post #15728 of 16013
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I recommend the Channel Master CM4228.
Don't you mean the CM4228HD?? Unless you found a source for the original US made CM4228A.
If you did, please let us know as I'm sure many would love to have one. After all, they are different antennas.

But, thanks to PCI's 'con' of naming the Chinese replacement a similar model number, causing confusion and the opportunity of many suppliers to misname this replacement with the old number (dropping the "HD"), then showing the photo of the discontinued model. Of course all of this basically false advertising, misleading the public. BTW; Solid Signal was one of them, though it appears this isn't the case now.

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Edited by videobruce - 1/5/14 at 5:54am
post #15729 of 16013
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Originally Posted by JayCeeNC View Post

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I've decided to "cut the cord" from Time-Warner cable here in central North Carolina and I'm trying to get the optimal setup.
I’m currently using a Radio Shack 15-1874 UHF/VHF, which are the basic rabbit ears with a 7.5” loop. I have it located in my attic near the gable window about 18 feet above ground level. I have a 25-foot run of RG6 cable from the antenna to a 2-line splitter, and I run two TV’s. I receive most of the stations out to 13.8 miles, but it’s spotty after that. Most of these are southwest of me. I’d really like to pick up channel 31 (12.1) out at 37.5 miles to the northwest.
As I understand it, the loop on this antenna is for UHF and the rabbit ears/dipoles are for VHF. Is this correct?
The nearest VHF station is a PBS station 38 miles from me, but I receive PBS on a nearer UHF station anyway, so I’m not concerned with VHF reception.
If so, given that VHF is not important to me would I get better reception by using a UHF only antenna, such as the Clearstream or Antennas Direct DB line? Would they give me a bit broader coverage than the RS rabbit ears/loop I’m using now? Amplified or not?
Thanks.

For Greensboro all you need is a good UHF antenna. A 4-bay UHF antenna should work fine, such as DB4e. And there are some cheaper generic versions from MCM or Solid Signal. But you could go to Walmart or Best Buy and get a Clearstream 4. That should do very well also. But since you have a long cable run of 25ft from the antenna to the splitter, you may want to add a distribution amp such as CM-3410 at the antenna. Or a CM-3412 in place of the splitter. And you are probably just out of range for Raleigh or Charlotte where a very good outside antenna set up would be required.
post #15730 of 16013
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Don't you mean the CM4228HD?? Unless you found a source for the original US made CM4228A.
If you did, please let us know as I'm sure many would love to have one. After all, they are different antennas.

But, thanks to PCI's 'con' of naming the Chinese replacement a similar model number, causing confusion and the opportunity of many suppliers to misname this replacement with the old number (dropping the "HD"), then showing the photo of the discontinued model. Of course all of this basically false advertising, misleading the public. BTW; Solid Signal was one of them, though it appears this isn't the case now.

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I think he has the original 4228, not the newer Chinese made version. I don't think the older version is available anymore. I use an original CM-4248 UHF Diamond antenna and it is an excellent performer. Sadly they are all gone also. But some of the newer PCT/Channel Master products are decent. The distribution amps are good performers, and so far their new DVR+ sounds promising. But they could do better with their current line of antennas.
post #15731 of 16013
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Don't you mean the CM4228HD?? Unless you found a source for the original US made CM4228A.
If you did, please let us know as I'm sure many would love to have one. After all, they are different antennas.

But, thanks to PCI's 'con' of naming the Chinese replacement a similar model number, causing confusion and the opportunity of many suppliers to misname this replacement with the old number (dropping the "HD"), then showing the photo of the discontinued model. Of course all of this basically false advertising, misleading the public. BTW; Solid Signal was one of them, though it appears this isn't the case now.

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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

I think he has the original 4228, not the newer Chinese made version. I don't think the older version is available anymore. I use an original CM-4248 UHF Diamond antenna and it is an excellent performer. Sadly they are all gone also. But some of the newer PCT/Channel Master products are decent. The distribution amps are good performers, and so far their new DVR+ sounds promising. But they could do better with their current line of antennas.

Given this change, would you recommend an alternative to the currently available CM 4228HD? If so, which alternative?

My understanding from reading reviews is that there were some quality problems with the early 4228HDs, but that those issues appear to have been improved in the interim.
post #15732 of 16013
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But they could do better with their current line of antennas.
Easy, start back up manufacturing the time proven designs back in the US.
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Given this change, would you recommend an alternative to the currently available CM 4228HD? If so, which alternative?
The original 4228a sold fro around $50. This replacement is selling for 2x the price $100 and more. The one problem with the original was it was shipped assembled which placed it in a 'oversize' category for shipping, which in turn doubled the shipping. That could of been solved by a redesign of the frame so that it was shipped 'knocked down' just requiring some assembly. I think that is what killed that version.
The funny thing is, people are spending the same for this import that the original sold for including shipping. confused.gif

As far as a replacement, I guess the replacement is about it. Winegard as a 8 bay reflector, but the design is less than stellar. (It is still made here.)
http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/HD-8800.pdf
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My understanding from reading reviews is that there were some quality problems with the early 4228HDs, but that those issues appear to have been improved in the interim.
That is my understanding also.
post #15733 of 16013
Thanks for the help, Larry. I appreciate it. I think I'll give the CM 4228 HD a shot.

Now I have to determine if the preamp I just bought (RCA TVPRAMP1R) for my old RCA antenna would work for the CM 4228, or if I should return the preamp and perhaps add the CM specific preamp like the CM 7777 or 7778. Probably try it without any preamp first, and then add one if need be.

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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

Happy New Year to you, too!

I think you need an antenna with more gain. The ANT751 is okay for the immediate area, but KPXM Ion 41 is in the yellow zone, plus it is 2 edge, which means that there are two hills or ridges between you and their transmitter. I recommend the Channel Master CM4228. It has has good gain all across the UHF band. KMSP channel 9 is your only VHF channel but it's strong enough that I think the CM4228 will pick it up okay. The 4228 has a wide pick up area so it should cover the span from 326 to 5 degrees where your signals come from. You might need to experiment to find the best direction for best overall reception.

I use the 4228 and have been very happy with the results. It pulls in stations that are 60 to 65 miles away with no problem.

Larry
SF
post #15734 of 16013
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Originally Posted by hanesian View Post

Thanks for the help, Larry. I appreciate it. I think I'll give the CM 4228 HD a shot.

Now I have to determine if the preamp I just bought (RCA TVPRAMP1R) for my old RCA antenna would work for the CM 4228, or if I should return the preamp and perhaps add the CM specific preamp like the CM 7777 or 7778. Probably try it without any preamp first, and then add one if need be.

The RCA preamp is fine if you actually needed a preamp. It's actually a (mostly) clone of the old CM7778.

Most of your signals are already quite strong, so you do not need one and you would be advised to avoid one.
post #15735 of 16013
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post


For Greensboro all you need is a good UHF antenna. A 4-bay UHF antenna should work fine, such as DB4e. And there are some cheaper generic versions from MCM or Solid Signal. But you could go to Walmart or Best Buy and get a Clearstream 4. That should do very well also. But since you have a long cable run of 25ft from the antenna to the splitter, you may want to add a distribution amp such as CM-3410 at the antenna. Or a CM-3412 in place of the splitter. And you are probably just out of range for Raleigh or Charlotte where a very good outside antenna set up would be required.

Thanks, Tyler.

The only Clearstream4 in this area is at Best Buy for $150. Nobody else carries anything other than the flat mat-type or rabbit ear antennas. I'll shop around online

Of the two options, CM-3410 at the antenna or CM-3412 replacing the splitter, which would give me the best ultimate signal? I can do either; replacing the splitter is the easiest because I have an electrical outlet nearby, and none in the attic.

post #15736 of 16013
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Originally Posted by JayCeeNC View Post

Thanks, Tyler.
The only Clearstream4 in this area is at Best Buy for $150. Nobody else carries anything other than the flat mat-type or rabbit ear antennas. I'll shop around online
Of the two options, CM-3410 at the antenna or CM-3412 replacing the splitter, which would give me the best ultimate signal? I can do either; replacing the splitter is the easiest because I have an electrical outlet nearby, and none in the attic.
Placing the amp closer to the antenna will help to avoid signal loss. Just order a remote power supply to go with the 3410. Connect the amp at the antenna with a 3ft coax cord. Place the power supply downstairs right before the splitter. That should work. But if you feel your signals are strong, you could use a 3412 in place of the splitter.
post #15737 of 16013
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Don't you mean the CM4228HD?? Unless you found a source for the original US made CM4228A.
If you did, please let us know as I'm sure many would love to have one. After all, they are different antennas.

But, thanks to PCI's 'con' of naming the Chinese replacement a similar model number, causing confusion and the opportunity of many suppliers to misname this replacement with the old number (dropping the "HD"), then showing the photo of the discontinued model. Of course all of this basically false advertising, misleading the public. BTW; Solid Signal was one of them, though it appears this isn't the case now.

.

Yes, I know they're different antennas, I didn't realize the new 4228HD was that much different from the original. The only thing I've heard is that the new ones aren't as good on high VHF.

Fill us in if you know what else is different.

Larry
SF
post #15738 of 16013
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The only thing I've heard is that the new ones aren't as good on high VHF.
It's a completely different (cheaper to manufacture) reflector.
post #15739 of 16013
Well supposedly the newer CM-4228HD is actually a better performer on HiVHF. They even advertise that on the box. It's not a bad antenna, just not the same as the original.
post #15740 of 16013
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Originally Posted by JayCeeNC View Post

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I've decided to "cut the cord" from Time-Warner cable here in central North Carolina and I'm trying to get the optimal setup.
I’m currently using a Radio Shack 15-1874 UHF/VHF, which are the basic rabbit ears with a 7.5” loop. I have it located in my attic near the gable window about 18 feet above ground level. I have a 25-foot run of RG6 cable from the antenna to a 2-line splitter, and I run two TV’s. I receive most of the stations out to 13.8 miles, but it’s spotty after that. Most of these are southwest of me. I’d really like to pick up channel 31 (12.1) out at 37.5 miles to the northwest.
As I understand it, the loop on this antenna is for UHF and the rabbit ears/dipoles are for VHF. Is this correct?
The nearest VHF station is a PBS station 38 miles from me, but I receive PBS on a nearer UHF station anyway, so I’m not concerned with VHF reception.
If so, given that VHF is not important to me would I get better reception by using a UHF only antenna, such as the Clearstream or Antennas Direct DB line? Would they give me a bit broader coverage than the RS rabbit ears/loop I’m using now? Amplified or not?
Thanks.


You have some options. I would post on this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/137768/greensboro-nc-hdtv
and, some of us will help
post #15741 of 16013
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Originally Posted by difuse View Post


You have some options. I would post on this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/137768/greensboro-nc-hdtv
and, some of us will help


Thanks, difuse.

 

post #15742 of 16013
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Originally Posted by difuse View Post

You have some options. I would post on this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/137768/greensboro-nc-hdtv
and, some of us will help
Yes perhaps post in the Greensboro thread so some of the experts here can evaluate your plans and results.
post #15743 of 16013

I would very much appreciate feedback and suggestions for improving my OTA reception. Here's my TVFool snapshot and link..

 

I did get this antenna, mounted in my attic (2-storey house) with no success. Will an amplifier work, or do I need a bigger antenna mounted on the roof?

http://www.dennysantennaservice.com/ez_hd_tv_Antenna.html

Thanks.

post #15744 of 16013
Do you get any channels and if so which ones? Which channels do you want? I would expect that your antenna would get the stations with a green background if mounted outside. It might also be OK in an attic depending on the roof and wall construction. In either case it needs to be aimed south. In your link picture it's pointed pretty much left. ( the short elements towards the pointing direction)
John
Edited by ctdish - 1/10/14 at 12:59pm
post #15745 of 16013
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Originally Posted by war72 View Post

I would very much appreciate feedback and suggestions for improving my OTA reception. Here's my TVFool snapshot and link..


I did get this antenna, mounted in my attic (2-storey house) with no success. Will an amplifier work, or do I need a bigger antenna mounted on the roof?
http://www.dennysantennaservice.com/ez_hd_tv_Antenna.html
Thanks.

Are you receiving anything? I think you should be, as the terrain from Houston to Conroe is not very severe.
post #15746 of 16013

I am trying to set my Grandma up in NE with an antenna, but just noticed they have several VHF Lo stations-Antenna Web attached:

Will this Antennas Direct C2-V-CJM ClearStream 2-V Long Range UHF/VHF Indoor/Outdoor DTV Antenna work for VHF Low nearby and then also pull in UHF further away from a slightly different direction-just trying to get major networks? ~http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007RH5GZI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2Y2CMGI7DVJC6&coliid=I12B89FJJH7S40


Edited by tspitz - 1/8/14 at 7:26pm
post #15747 of 16013
She'll probably have to settle for Fox in SD, but other than that it ought to work okay. Fox in HD is on channel 6 and is quite a ways off and is pretty weak. That station will probably require a larger low-V antenna.

Be aware that the antennapoint link you posted contains the full street address entered. You'll probably want to delete that!

Here's the TVFool plot, the preferred analysis tool: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d5b941904886a58
post #15748 of 16013
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post

She'll probably have to settle for Fox in SD, but other than that it ought to work okay. Fox in HD is on channel 6 and is quite a ways off and is pretty weak. That station will probably require a larger low-V antenna.

Be aware that the antennapoint link you posted contains the full street address entered. You'll probably want to delete that!

Here's the TVFool plot, the preferred analysis tool: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d5b941904886a58


Thanks for your advice.  How can you tell from the chart that Fox is not in HD only SD?  Also, where do you think I should aim the C2 V antenna to have the best chance of getting all channels, somewhere in between the further off channels 225, 250, or 275???

post #15749 of 16013
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Originally Posted by tspitz View Post


Thanks for your advice.  How can you tell from the chart that Fox is not in HD only SD?  Also, where do you think I should aim the C2 V antenna to have the best chance of getting all channels, somewhere in between the further off channels 225, 250, or 275???

Fox in N. Platte is in analog on ch 11 and is also carried as a SD sub-channel on KNOP.
Edited by ProjectSHO89 - 1/9/14 at 2:50pm
post #15750 of 16013
Hi All, New to this and wanted to ask some advice.

I'm looking to install an attic antenna as my HOA does not allow outdoor antennas. your recommendations on a specific antenna and/or amp would be very much appreciated.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d5b949e6a40910b

Thank you!
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