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post #61 of 305
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Originally posted by lamcam
I'm in Northern VA area. Ordered Voom last week. Installer came yesterday.

The guy was an hour late arriving, as expected. Installation took about 2 hours. Went smooth. Installed the sat dish. He immediately called back to Voom to get authorization to upgrade my OTA from a small StealthGuard to something he claimed was about $300. Ran one RG6 coax line into my house, but did not provide a wall plate. I did not have a phone jack nearby. The guy said I did not need a phone line connected to the receiver unless I order Pay Per View. After all hardware were installed. It took one phone call and 20 minutes for my receiver to be activated. I was lucky to have a knowledgable installer.

I only got the basic package. HD channels look spectacular on my Sony XBR910 connected via DVI (a DVI cable is included, but I used another one). HD Discovery is great. The WorldSports channel shows the best quality. OTA channels are also very good. My local CBS, FOX, and PBS kept dropping out at first. So I climed on the roof and rotated the OTA antena slightly. Now everything comes in. Back to the HD channels results: they can really do without the fashion channel. It is really a waste of bandwidth. You can only watch those models walking down the catwalk for so long. The movie channels are OK if you don't mind the older flicks. Also the quality of these are not so good, due to their original age. It is too close to DVD quality to be considered HD in my opinion. And yes they do repeat over and over again.l

Bottom line:

- HD channels picture quality excellent, especially World Sport and Discovery.
- SD channels good.
- OTA channels very good, if your installer is smart enough to upgrade you to a better antena. You may want to ask for it anyway.
- Content of HD channels still very weak. Too many repeats. Voom if you are reading this thread, change the fashion channel to something else, change some of the movie channels to something else. and ADD ADD ADD ESPN HD soon. You have many potential customers waiting to jump on board, only if you add ESPN HD. Also DO NOT take Discovery HD away. You will lose me and many other subscribers immediately.

I'll be patient and stick with Voom for a couple of months, to see if the content improves, or until my wife puts her foot in my ass about spending the $50 a month.

How are the other channels in regards to picture quality???

And is content really that weak??

Thanks, technoreid
post #62 of 305
Maybe I set my sights too low, but the programming on the "exclusive" channels is a lot better than I expected. Decent selection of movies, although I haven't had it long enough to know if they will be repeated endlessly.

MOOV channel is pointless. Like looking at biological samples under a high definition microscope.

Non-movie exclusives seem to have a fairly short loop. I assume as more and more content becomes available, this will improve. Imagine triple the content of HDNet, but spread over 7 channels.
post #63 of 305
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Originally posted by technoreid
How are the other channels in regards to picture quality???
Just compared with D* and the SD channels definitely look better on V* with the exception of A&E which in my case has slight horizontal interference, and in bright white areas has horizontal static. All other SD channels look great.
post #64 of 305
You know, without a formal declaration of Voom's intentions on the copyright matter for the analog transport this will undoubtedly hold off those sitting on the fence (me). While the install fee is waived and hardware can be leased offer nice enticementments, and blank screen or reduced resolution as a result of current HDCP-associated endeavors only kills any desire for engaging Voom as a serious provider for some analog people.

I think its nice while its available (even though they offer no RGBHV, no PVR, ATSC OTA tuner, etc.), the basic idea was enticing.
post #65 of 305
Voom is much more open about there intentions than D*. And the picture is much better from the User reports Ive seen. Thinking that the component outputs are going to be unactivated is just ridiculous.
I for one have no interest in analog. Frankly, D* picture quality has been approaching its SD picture quality IMO. I think Voom is a great idea and will be a serious contender, especially when D* wastes the 7s on more locals and further degrades there picture quality. The only new HD channels will probably be stuff most of us get OTA and of lesser quality, ABC, NBC,PBS, FOX,UPN etc or additions to showtime, stars. I doubt nothing really new. D* is very profit driven and us HD users are barely on their radar. Im going with voom until D* proves they want HD users! Vooms biggest problem is that they are not for sale in Best buy or circuit city and new users go with D* and get locked in for a year.
post #66 of 305
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Originally posted by vurbano
Voom is much more open about there intentions than D*. And the picture is much better from the User reports Ive seen. Thinking that the component outputs are going to be unactivated is just ridiculous.
Why is this so ridiculous? I would have said the same thing about DVI until I heard HDCP was turned on. Now, I can only wonder. Is it also ridiculous to wonder if the analog will be reduced in resolution in a similar unannounced fashion?
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I for one have no interest in analog. Frankly, D* picture quality has been approaching its SD picture quality IMO. I think Voom is a great idea and will be a serious contender, especially when D* wastes the 7s on more locals and further degrades there picture quality. The only new HD channels will probably be stuff most of us get OTA and of lesser quality, ABC, NBC,PBS, FOX,UPN etc or additions to showtime, stars. I doubt nothing really new. D* is very profit driven and us HD users are barely on their radar. Im going with voom until D* proves they want HD users! Vooms biggest problem is that they are not for sale in Best buy or circuit city and new users go with D* and get locked in for a year.
Hey, I am not voicing my concerns to justify my not leaving my current provider. I'm stating the obstacles and concerns I have with getting Voom under the current political and technological envirnment.

I salute you for having a DVI+HDCP solution within your home. Unfortunately, the number of DBS subscribers that meet this requirement is rather low compared to those digital displays without HDCP and those with analog displays. I would think it only natural for some (me included) to voice concerns.
post #67 of 305
HDCP will be everywhere, and sooner rather than later. I believe I read that the new HD DirecTivo will use it.
post #68 of 305
It's funny that you are the only crying "Wolf" and yet you don't even have VOOM. Best thing I can tell you, remain in the fence and wait and see. :)

Going back to the original Topic of the Thread:

VOOM has started major national ad campaign. You will see ad every where - newspapers, radio, tv, etc. All CSRs were told to come to work for extra time.

VOOM opened up another Call Center in Texas. Now they have two Centers the one in WA and the one in TX. The Texas center only does sells and no tech support yet.

More HD Videos in HDnews: There are a few more news bureaus scheduled to kick off soon, so more and more HD video will be in the newscast. HDnews has a lot of plans to become the leading HD News channel.

There will be big surprises in the coming months. The only thing I can tell you is that VOOM will blow EVERYBODY away by October 2004 if all their plans are succesful (there is a method to their madness, believe me. I was stunned of what I heard). So stay tune because V* is for real.
post #69 of 305
I am dumping Cox and getting Voom installed tomorrow. I also told the Voom Rep that I want the 6 bay directional antenna installed since I am in an area that requires a directional antenna.

Let you know how it goes.
post #70 of 305
motjes2, are you replying to me? Could you use proper quotation to eliminate the confusion. I do not wish to unintentionally replying to something said when it may be for someone else.

And if you are replying to me, why shouldn't I cry? How would you feel if someone said you could no longer drive or sell your current automobiles on the roads and highways? And i do not have Voom at this moment because of certain feature limitations that are only being further aggravated with the HDCP issue.

BTW, I am not crying wolf, as that would be the case if I stated analog was already being affected, which I have not said.
post #71 of 305
feature limitations that are further aggravated by HDCP? why not use their component cables? Please explain how High definition copy protection is going to reduce quality. It is simply an uncompressed digital format isnt it? making the bit rate too high to copy?
post #72 of 305
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Originally posted by vurbano
feature limitations that are further aggravated by HDCP? why not use their component cables? Please explain how High definition copy protection is going to reduce quality. It is simply an uncompressed digital format isnt it? making the bit rate too high to copy?
RGBHV is what my three HDTV-capable display devices use for HDTV. Also, as stated above my concern is with Voom's intentions in the future regarding any delimiting effort on the analog.
post #73 of 305
analog.. id hook up a set of rabbit ears
post #74 of 305
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Originally posted by WanMan
motjes2, are you replying to me? Could you use proper quotation to eliminate the confusion. I do not wish to unintentionally replying to something said when it may be for someone else.

And if you are replying to me, why shouldn't I cry? How would you feel if someone said you could no longer drive or sell your current automobiles on the roads and highways? And i do not have Voom at this moment because of certain feature limitations that are only being further aggravated with the HDCP issue.

BTW, I am not crying wolf, as that would be the case if I stated analog was already being affected, which I have not said.

wanman,

yes, I was replying to your comment which happens to be the only comment crying "wolf". You seem to be concerned too much about VOOM yet you don't have it. Your negative input into this discussion and others are just repeats of what you have already posted on others thread. So, why repeat the same arguments over and over again. If you have your own reservations about VOOM, I can respect that.

Not trying to pick on you at all but I have read your argument in at least two or three other threads with little change to the discussion.
post #75 of 305
I think wanman and pradike are the same person. Wanman, the component cable will never, never have reduced resolution. Don't live with so much fear, and dont' they make a conversion cable for you and your RBGHV? I think someone makes it...
post #76 of 305
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Originally posted by keithaxis
I think wanman and pradike are the same person. Wanman, the component cable will never, never have reduced resolution. Don't live with so much fear, and dont' they make a conversion cable for you and your RBGHV? I think someone makes it...
There doesn't seem to be much point in activating HDCP through DVI if they "never" intend to downrez the component outputs, is there?
post #77 of 305
Not all things make sense. One thing that does is that there will not be a time when they basically say 4 million of you with HDTV's and component cables are sh~~ out of luck. And there are about 4 million of these sets taht are not HDCP compliant...
post #78 of 305
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Originally posted by keithaxis
I think wanman and pradike are the same person.
Nope...same city, different folks. Sorry to dispell your conspiracy theory.

HDCP compliance has been touted in the media for quite some time as the way things were going....Voom CAN'T be blamed for joining into the industry common direction - they can just be blamed for doing it almost overnight with no forwarning - how's that for caring about your customers!
post #79 of 305
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Originally posted by pradike
Nope...same city, different folks. Sorry to dispell your conspiracy theory.

HDCP compliance has been touted in the media for quite some time as the way things were going....Voom CAN'T be blamed for joining into the industry common direction - they can just be blamed for doing it almost overnight with no forwarning - how's that for caring about your customers!
pradike, Wilt mentioned this implementation months ago so there was warning. Like there is a warning already that if you don't have your stb connected to a phone line for the next upgrade, it will be deactivated. As I said before, there has not been anyone complaining about the HDCP flag being on. There seems to be more complaining coming from those that do not have VOOM on this issue. :)
post #80 of 305
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Originally posted by motjes2

There will be big surprises in the coming months. The only thing I can tell you is that VOOM will blow EVERYBODY away by October 2004 if all their plans are succesful (there is a method to their madness, believe me. I was stunned of what I heard). So stay tune because V* is for real.
Can you give us any hints besides the HDDVR?
post #81 of 305
I would hope that the HDCP issue came from potential channels that are going to be added soon.

The real griping will happen if they downrez the component. This has been a known potential "problem" that has been speculated about for some time and if things continue this way, what makes you think D* and E* will not follow suit? Maybe it is not as pressing an issue with the "Big 2" because they are not actively seeking out new HD content providers.
post #82 of 305
How many of those have V* pradike?
post #83 of 305
Ive heard that after mpeg4 V* could have the capacity for 80 HD channels and 200 SD channels. Saw that in an article with a V* rep. Ive also read on this forum that the new software download has been very successful with channel changes at 1 to 2 seconds.
post #84 of 305
I really like VOOM but the only way they can really "blow me away" is to increase the bandwidth for SD programming after the MPEG-4 upgrade. This, IMHO, will be the way for them to secure new subs since SD sucks on all other sources.
post #85 of 305
This crap is just a bunch of doom and gloom rumors to scare people away.
post #86 of 305
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Originally posted by pradike
Customer service doesn't usually consist of one person "mentioning something" an an e-mail to a select group.

By the way...how many Voom user complaints about the sudden changeover would you like to see to prove your statement on the HDCP flag sudden changeover is a pain and poorly communicated? Here are just a few - with plenty more behind that....I guess now Voom customer views don't even count when they find fault with Voom....
pradike,

with you it is a never-ending story. Give it up man. In the world of statistics your sample is limited and does not represent the hypothesis - HDCP flag on, therefore I will cancel because I cannot watch HD anymore.

Yes, it caught everybody by surprise and some were not affected and some were not happy. I guess you prove your point. Let's move on to the real discussion on topic since this whole thread has gone on a different dirrection.

good luck to you....
post #87 of 305
Is he now trying to say that voom doesnt do HD? lmao
post #88 of 305
I have had VOOM now for about 4 weeks, I find something excellent to watch every day. Just when I think they need to add some movies to their movie channels...they do. I have enjoyed the Rush channel a lot. I am one happy customer. I have had some issues but VOOM customer service is excellent, they have always resolved my issues and had anwers.
post #89 of 305
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Originally posted by keithaxis
I think wanman and pradike are the same person. Wanman, the component cable will never, never have reduced resolution. Don't live with so much fear, and dont' they make a conversion cable for you and your RBGHV? I think someone makes it...
Well, you are certainly at liberty to illustrate your paranoia. You can certainly read any of my posts and form a conclusion that I would not need a second personality for AVS. Heck, I would imagine David Bott would frown on such an activity has having multiple registrations (I use a well known static solution).

But, if you feel it necessary to place me in a 'certain' light then take it to the forum's moderator or the site administrator. I am sure he or she will set you straight. :p
post #90 of 305
Do have any thing worthwhile to say in any your 8500 posts wan man?

I put you in the same light with the other fella as you both have this huge fear that Voom might be better someday for HD than cable or the other two DBS servicee.. I have all 4 services for HD so I have no fear and I can see that Voom sees a niche crowd with HD that is going to be huge in the next few years. They may need some help by beign bought out with all the losses that will amount the first year or two but if Voom can make it through these first 12 to 18 very hard financial months then we'll all be better for it and I will be able to get rid of directv or expressvu or comcast or voom and save some of that almost $300 a month in cable/satellite bills....
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