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post #61 of 7906
Quote:
Originally posted by Todd
If you did a poll and asked people on AVS whether they'd rather see high-quality HD (with at most one SD subchannel) or lower quality HD with several subchannel programming choices, I guarantee you they would choose high-quality HD overwhlemingly. We have enough channel choices as it is. I don't understand why you're so obsessed with SD programming.


BTW, I do agree that PBS stations are a special case though.

I agree PBS is a special case. I think you are right about the poll and the obsession.
post #62 of 7906
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For those interested in all things "Star Trek", our presentation of the first theatrical Star Trek movie on Saturday night (4/17/04) at 8:00 p.m. will be in H.D. The transfer to tape was done in the original aspect ratio. I personally supervised the recording of the feed sent to us by Paramount. It looks good!
Sorry to say, but this will be the only showing.

Enjoy!

George Randell
Chief Engineer
WGNT/WGNT-DT UPN
Viacom on Norfolk
post #63 of 7906
This looks interesting:

http://www.cox.com/Sandiego/dvr/hd-dvr.asp

Read on another forum that Northern Va. will have this service availible in May....

http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...&lp=1081949697
post #64 of 7906
Quote:
Originally posted by vurbano
The evening 1080i with less subs sounds like a cool idea!

Just received word that Harris will debut a new encoder at NAB which does automatic low bandwidth barker channels as SD placeholders and will shift res on the fly without wacking out receivers.

Sounds too good to be true! Will keep everybody posted.

Jh
post #65 of 7906
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Originally posted by George Randell
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For those interested in all things "Star Trek", our presentation of the first theatrical Star Trek movie on Saturday night (4/17/04) at 8:00 p.m. will be in H.D. The transfer to tape was done in the original aspect ratio. I personally supervised the recording of the feed sent to us by Paramount. It looks good!
Sorry to say, but this will be the only showing.

Sounds good George! I'll have to check it out.
post #66 of 7906
I don't know if this is the right thread to post this, not being OTA related, but I will anyway:

I talked to a woman at cox this morning about the old firmware they are using in the 6200 boxes. she indicated that she will bring it up in a meeting next week, and let me know what the story is. But the other thing i found out is that cox is rolling out 2 more HD channels about may 1st. bravo HD and cinemax HD.

thats 10 so far! i would like to get an OTA box, but my wife still says that most of the channels will migrate to cox within a couple of years. she's probably right.

sm.
post #67 of 7906
That sounds like great news sm....as long as they don't use it as an excuse to raise the HD rental rate!
post #68 of 7906
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Originally posted by robertawillisjr
Without knowing how much BW is actually being used, it does seem that the picture quality of HD suffers noticeably when 2 SD's are active. However, there are so many variables in the chain before the signal reaches my house that I am loath to make a definitive statement.

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Originally posted by robertawillisjr
Perhaps with better equipment and algorithms there will be a way to use all of the subs and not lower HD quality.


Robert, whether you know it or not, you hit the nail on the head with these two comments. It's going to be a moving target for a long time. There are variables a'plenty before the picture reaches your eyes, and there are going to be a lot of changes to things like encoders, multiplexers, etc. before things settle down. It will only get better in terms of how the bandwidth is managed for balancing maximum performance with maximum use. It's ultimately not going to be as simple as just counting the number of sub-channels and predicting how the main channel is going to look.
post #69 of 7906
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Originally posted by madmike
what is Fox, WVBT-DT outputting for a resolution? ... Is WVBT doing the same thing, outputting 720p?

Yes, starting a few weeks ago we began upconverting to 720P in anticipation of the future FOX Network delivery format.
post #70 of 7906
Thanks Les, that's what I figured. I'll have to just make a change on my STB to tune in.

Mike
post #71 of 7906
Quote:
Originally posted by SpruceMoose
I talked to a woman at cox this morning about the old firmware they are using in the 6200 boxes. she indicated that she will bring it up in a meeting next week, and let me know what the story is. But the other thing i found out is that cox is rolling out 2 more HD channels about may 1st. bravo HD and cinemax HD.sm.

Did she say whether or not Bravo HD would be in their standard or premium (pay) tier? Also, what was your interest in the firmware upgrade? Are you looking for DVI or firewire support? And I hope you are wrong about Cox migrating channels in a "couple years"! I just cancelled Voom. I may have to reconsider.
post #72 of 7906
Harold,

Well we will see. There are those who made the same argument about color TV, CD's, DVD's etc. Only time will tell. I do believe that you are correct about quality suffering at the expense of quantity. I can only point out the plethora of channels on Cable and Satellite.

Given this discussion, I think the locals have some difficult decisions to make. I wonder if any of them wish to contribute?
post #73 of 7906
I think WTKR is heading in the right direction by allocating BW according to the needs (or wants) at any particular time. I'm sure that at some point the encoders and such will be able to auto divy the BW as needed with the station only having to set whatever priorities they desire. In WHRO's case, the system could be programmed to split BW evenly during the day, but give the HD all or the lion's share during prime time. It seems that the options are almost endless, just depends on the stations particular needs. Just my $00.02
post #74 of 7906
Digitude: i didnt ask about the $$$ aspect, as we have 6 digital boxes (1 HD) and all the channels (almost). kind of a non-issue in my house.

yes, the firmware issue is all about the dvi. i just got a 5 meter dvi-d cable in the mail for 48 bux, and i want to use it!!! so its either hd cable or buy a new dvd player. maybe the LG with the built-in HDOTA tuner??? hmmmmm.

as for a couple of years, i hope my wife is a little off on that one also. i want my HDTV!!!

sm.
post #75 of 7906
Spruce - Don't be surprised if you don't hear back from them. I asked Cox about firmware update to V7.07 several weeks ago. No reply.
post #76 of 7906
well, we will just have to keep asking/prodding them, wont we?
post #77 of 7906
Quote:
Originally posted by hjriver
...I also do not believe for a minute that the majority of programming will be in HD. I think most will be enhanced SD or 720P.

720i, 720p, 1080i and 1080p are all considered High Definition formats. Because 720p is a progressive format, it requires bit rate close to that of 1080i.

From ABC:

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ABC's NFL "Monday Night Football," the most successful and longest-running primetime sports series in television history, celebrates its 35th anniversary with a blockbuster schedule for 2004, it was announced today by George Bodenheimer, president of ABC Sports and ESPN, Inc.

All "Monday Night Football" games will be broadcast in HDTV. The following is the 2004 ABC NFL "Monday Night Football" schedule: (All games air Mondays at 9:00 p.m., ET., except where noted)
  • SEPTEMBER 9: Indianapolis Colts vs. New England Patriots (Thursday Night)
  • SEPTEMBER 13: Green Bay Packers vs. Carolina Panthers
  • SEPTEMBER 20: Minnesota Vikings vs. Philadelphia Eagles
  • SEPTEMBER 27: Dallas Cowboys vs. Washington Redskins
  • OCTOBER 4: Kansas City Chiefs vs. Baltimore Ravens
  • OCTOBER 11: Tennessee Titans vs. Green Bay Packers
  • OCTOBER 18: Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. St. Louis Rams
  • OCTOBER 25: Denver Broncos vs. Cincinnati Bengals
  • NOVEMBER 1: Miami Dolphins vs. New York Jets
  • NOVEMBER 8: Minnesota Vikings vs. Indianapolis Colts
  • NOVEMBER 15: Philadelphia Eagles vs. Dallas Cowboys
  • NOVEMBER 22: New England Patriots vs. Kansas City Chiefs
  • NOVEMBER 29: St. Louis Rams vs. Green Bay Packers
  • DECEMBER 6: Dallas Cowboys vs. Seattle Seahawks
  • DECEMBER 13: Kansas City Chiefs vs. Tennessee Titans
  • DECEMBER 20: New England Patriots vs. Miami Dolphins
  • DECEMBER 27: Philadelphia Eagles vs. St. Louis Rams
  • JANUARY 8, 2005: NFL Playoff Doubleheader
post #78 of 7906
Quote:
Originally posted by vurbano
How is that issue with the line coming from the SAT that isnt located on your site. You had said that Verizon needed to do some work? ANd that it might not be in their budget? So there might be a delay for us locally even after most of the other country has it.

A construction crew arrived this morning to install the new FOX Digital satellite dish, but we still haven't received the studio equipment from FOX and haven't been given a date for when we will receive it. Once the new dish is installed we'll begin to run tests to see if the existing backhaul equipment is up to the task, and if not we'll get Verizon involved then. I am still optimistic that we'll be ready for any FOX HD programming when it begins, but I've been wrong before.
post #79 of 7906
Thanks, Peter, sounds great......MNF is always eye-popping in it's HD glory. I don't know why folks are fretting about 720p....a lot of people (including ABC and ESPN ) believe 720p is superior to 1080i for fast action (read sports) applications. That being said, I almost forgot to applaud this weekend's Masters on WTKR.....stunning, beautiful, and gripping golf to boot! Thanks, Ted....another job well done!
post #80 of 7906
At 1059 PM each night the digital channels get ready for the late news by turning off the wide screen, going to a split screen and overlaying a local news anchor to "tease" the next newscast while the credits roll for the show just ending. No problem with the concept. The problem is that the overlay causes a significant "ghosting" effect on-screen. Is there any way to eliminate this ghosting during the overlay? Thanks.

Drew
post #81 of 7906
I think 13 was converting 720p to 1080i last year and may still be doing so. Probably need to do a search on earlier threads, but I'm too busy. I can't wait until football season.
post #82 of 7906
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Originally posted by vurbano
wow, I guess I misunderstood. I thought the line had to be upgraded. That would be great if it doesnt!

The worst case is that the Verizon codecs will have to be upgraded or switched out if they can't pass the compressed 270Mbps ASI data stream. We hope to be able to test the circuit soon, long before any FOX HD programming is scheduled to be available.
post #83 of 7906
Quote:
Originally posted by robertawillisjr
I think 13 was converting 720p to 1080i last year and may still be doing so. Probably need to do a search on earlier threads, but I'm too busy. I can't wait until football season.

They still are.
post #84 of 7906
Peter:

Thanks for the schedule. NO STEELERS! Guess they don't put you on Monday night when you Su*K.

Regards
post #85 of 7906
Too bad Washington is only on once...
post #86 of 7906
Depends on how you look at it! Could be a blessing.
post #87 of 7906
I ordered Cox HD service the first day it became available last November. I noticed a flickering or stobing effect right away on nearly all NTSC channels. The weaker the signal (eg; channel 3) the more noticeable it is. Through mostly unscientific troubleshooting techniques (swapping various hardware and inputs) I determined that this stobing effect is being caused by the Motorola converter. Not just MY converter....THE converter. It does not appear on any of my other TVs (w/o converters) or with my DVR tuner. I've had an army of Cox technicians to my house who have agreed that the converter is at fault but can't tell me why. It has been replaced twice without success. Yet another Cox technician came to my house again yesterday. He tried everything before bringing in his own TV and connecting to the co-ax output of the 6200. We sat there and watched his video flicker in perfect unison to the picture on my plasma display (via component). I can't believe I am the only person in Tidewater seeing this. Anyone else here with Cox HD?
post #88 of 7906
It's something WVEC has always done. A lot of affiliates side-convert 720p to 1080i... although I am not sure of the reasoning. Back when all this started, it seemed that most everybody's STB or HDTV would not natively display 720p. Obviously times have changed.

I (for one) can not enjoy native 720p broadcasts, as my STB (RCA DTC-100) side-converts to 1080i. Even if it didn't, my HDTV (Pioneer SD532HD5) would still upconvert to 1080i since it isn't capable of natively displaying 720p.
post #89 of 7906
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Originally posted by SpruceMoose
well, we will just have to keep asking/prodding them, wont we?

Spruce....I had a Cox guy at my house yesterday and he showed me the internal memo. Bravo HD will be standard tier. Also, they will have an OnDemand HD channel with barker on Ch 498
post #90 of 7906
WTKR-DT


Golf this weekend is in HD and 5.1.....I will be out of town until April 26 at NAB. If CBS has any new HD news I will have it then. Happy DTVing!
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