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post #31 of 3703
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Originally posted by ALIENS
Great info, thanks. Can I assume they are in digital? I would hate to waste my HD setup. Actually, I need to find a way to use it come hell or high water.

Nope. They're all analog. Actually, the WUSA translator on 58 was all messed up when I rode through. Not sure where the 58 one is anymore, but there are three sets of translators (full-power stations are bolded).

ABC3, WAZT-CA 10, PBS42, NBC63, CBS65, FOX68
ABC3, WAZC-LP 16, PBS38, NBC56, CBS58, FOX61
ABC3, WAZH-CA 24, CBS18, NBC28/31, FOX46, PBS51

There are probably ways to get signal if you're THAT desperate though.

- Trip
post #32 of 3703
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Originally posted by Trip in VA
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When I called WVIR last year about digital, they told me that they'd be at full power this summer, though I have to call about it again, because it's probably changed. I would like to see them at full power because I like NBC29 more than I like local NBC10 (WSLS Roanoke) and I can get NBC29 analog pretty well when WSLS-DT isn't bleeding all over it. Before WSLS-DT signed on, I'd watch NBC29 more than WSLS.

- Trip [/b]

Trip, WVIR-DT will be at 1,000 kW by the end of July...just in time to deliver the Olympics in HD.
post #33 of 3703
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Originally posted by 29Guy
Trip, WVIR-DT will be at 1,000 kW by the end of July...just in time to deliver the Olympics in HD.

Alright! I just hope the digital is as reliable as the analog was.

- Trip
post #34 of 3703
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Originally posted by 29Guy
Trip, WVIR-DT will be at 1,000 kW by the end of July...just in time to deliver the Olympics in HD.

Based on signal strength of the analog 29 out here, I'm betting we're going to get WVIR-DT "wall to wall and treetop tall" (those of us with big antennas, anyway). The Olympics should be a showcase event in HD.

Also, as regards local programming and all the rest . . . there are lots of NBC29 fans on this side of the Blue Ridge!

willie
post #35 of 3703
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Originally posted by wildwillie6
Based on signal strength of the analog 29 out here, I'm betting we're going to get WVIR-DT "wall to wall and treetop tall" (those of us with big antennas, anyway). The Olympics should be a showcase event in HD.

Also, as regards local programming and all the rest . . . there are lots of NBC29 fans on this side of the Blue Ridge!

willie

WW6...if you're able to receive NBC29 without severe ghosting then you will probably receive WVIR-DT. As you know, multipath is generally the problem with digital reception, not signal strength.

And we definitely appreciate those Valley fans of NBC29. It will take lots of viewers to pay the bill to keep that 1,000 kW on the air.
post #36 of 3703
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Originally posted by 29Guy
WW6...if you're able to receive NBC29 without severe ghosting then you will probably receive WVIR-DT. As you know, multipath is generally the problem with digital reception, not signal strength.

And we definitely appreciate those Valley fans of NBC29. It will take lots of viewers to pay the bill to keep that 1,000 kW on the air.

My issue was always weak signal. I am right on the very fringe of both Roanoke and Charlottesville, and Dad doesn't like me turning the antenna away from Roanoke. I used to get WVIR-TV 50-60% of the time--just about any time the sun went down--with the antenna pointing straight toward Roanoke. Now, with WSLS-DT, it's only when I put the antenna directly toward WVIR or there's VERY strong tropo ducting that I can get NBC29. I hope a higher-powered digital signal will help this. 29-1, here I come!

- Trip
post #37 of 3703
Hi,

I'll be moving to the Charlottesville area (Earlysville) in August and was hoping to get other OTA viewer results on receiving channels from the surrounding areas. I'm currently subscribed to E* using the 6000 receiver for HD viewing, and using the CM4248, CM7777 and CM9521 and I'll be bring those with me. I spoke to an installer at a local antenna store in Charlottesville and he said all of the Richmond stations are broadcasting in VHF, so I'll have no luck with the 4248. Are there any great installers in the area?

It is mandatory I receive the Redskin games, so I need all of my options there. I may have to switch to DirecTV for the football package, which would hurt, because of the money I put into my three E* receivers. Any advice or help will be greatly appreciated.
post #38 of 3703
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Originally posted by ALIENS
Hi,
I spoke to an installer at a local antenna store in Charlottesville and he said all of the Richmond stations are broadcasting in VHF, so I'll have no luck with the 4248.

Actually, there must have been a misunderstanding. The big three Richmond stations broadcast their existing analog signals on 6, 8 and 12 -- but their digital signals are all UHF.

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Originally posted by ALIENS
Are there any great installers in the area?

Good question -- and if so, they'd be relevant for all of us because they could easily serve customers in Harrisonburg-Staunton-Charlottesville. Briefly: Timberville Electronics in Timberville, the best known installer on this side of the mountain, is friendly and reasonable but overworked in meeting installation schedules and doesn't have a big base of experience in HDTV.
post #39 of 3703
Here is what antennaweb.com retuns on Earlysville ZIP code 22936:

WVIR 29 NBC CHARLOTTESVILLE VA 187° 11.7 29
* red - uhf WVIR-DT 29.1 NBC CHARLOTTESVILLE VA 187° 11.7 32
red - uhf WHTJ 41 PBS CHARLOTTESVILLE VA 188° 11.7 41
* red - uhf WHTJ-DT 46 PBS Charlottesville VA TBD 188° 11.7 46
red - uhf WADA-LP 55 PAX CHARLOTTESVILLE VA 187° 11.6 55
red - uhf W64AO 64 ABC CHARLOTTESVILLE VA 187° 11.7 64
red - uhf W50CM 50 PBS CHARLOTTESVILLE VA 188° 11.7 50
blue - uhf W58DK 58 PBS RUCKERSVILLE, ETC. VA 19° 22.9 58
violet - vhf WHSV 3 ABC HARRISONBURG VA 355° 31.9 3
violet - uhf WJPR 21 FOX LYNCHBURG VA 237° 84.9 21
violet - uhf WCVE 23 PBS RICHMOND VA 141° 65.6 23
violet - uhf WCVW 57 PBS RICHMOND VA 141° 65.6 57
violet - vhf WWBT 12 NBC RICHMOND VA 139° 69.9 12
violet - vhf WRIC 8 ABC PETERSBURG VA 141° 65.6 8
violet - vhf WSET 13 ABC LYNCHBURG VA 237° 85.3 13
violet - vhf WTVR 6 CBS RICHMOND VA 135° 68.5 6

Conservative as they are, antennaweb doesn't show WRIC-DT ABC (22), WWBT-DT NBC (54) and WTVR-DT CBS (25), although it should be possible to get them with your antenna and a good setup. FOX and UPN out of Richmond are more difficult.

Doug
post #40 of 3703
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Just wanted to let this group know about the excellent antenna installation I got from Timberville Electronics. This was a fairly complicated installation -- three antennas, two downleads, rotator wires running different ways because of a home remodeling, metal roof . . . well, you get the picture. The two installers who came out (Francis and Chris) did a fine job. Francis knows a lot about signals, and he and Chris also have experience working through the practical part (where-to-run-the-wire type stuff). They do a lot of satellite work, and my installation was a little different in being Over-the-Air only. Anyway, they did a great job working through the unique challenges of this old house.

Overall review: five stars out of five.

Thanks, guys!

willie
post #41 of 3703
Thread Starter 
This on new broadcast availabilities in our area:

From www.vartv.com :

:// ABC affiliate to Charlottesville

It seems that there will now be an ABC affiliate coming to Charlottesville. Gray Television will be operating a "duopoly" at their new Charlottesville operation. In addition to WCAV-TV, the city's new CBS affiliate on Channel 19, the company will also operate WVAW-LP, an ABC affiliate. The station will also offer a full slate of news programming from a news department separate from WCAV. A News Director for WVAW has already been hired and she will be no stranger to Charlottesville, Central Virginia and Shenandoah Valley viewers. The News Director is Tara Brown, the current anchor of the 6 and 11PM newscasts at WHSV (3/ABC), a Gray property in Harrisonburg. WHSV issued a memo to employees this week to inform them of Tara's move. In addition to her duties as News Director, Tara will also serve as an anchor for WVAW newscasts. No further hires have been made for WCAV or WVAW, but both stations plan to post out for positions soon..... (5/19/04)

and

http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet...75745932&path=!news

Third television affiliate to move into area


By Elizabeth Nelson / Daily Progress staff writer
May 28, 2004


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Gray Television, which will launch a Charlottesville CBS affiliate in August, is bringing its own competition. The company plans to simultaneously launch an ABC affiliate in the same building.

Both CBS WCAV-TV (Channel 19) and ABC WVAW-TV (Channel 16) will feature local news broadcasts. They both will compete with NBC affiliate WVIR-TV (Channel 29) for viewers and advertising.

A fourth station, marketed by locals Denny King and Bob Sigman as featuring Charlottesville 24 hours a day, is preparing to go on the air in late November on Channel 9.

Tami Brown, anchor for Gray Television's WHSV-TV (Channel 3) in Harrisonburg, has been hired as news director for the local ABC affiliate, which will be geared toward 18- to 40-year olds.

We're going to deliver the news, I guess you could say, in a nontraditional way, she said. Sort of a fun, down-to-earth kind of way.

CBS, she said, will have a more traditional broadcast. Though the stations will be in the same building and share recording equipment, they will have separate news staffs and reports.

The existing ABC affiliate broadcasts to the Charlottesville area from Harrisonburg on channel 64. If the FCC approves in June, the signal power will double and the Charlottesville affiliate will broadcast on Channel 16, likely increasing the number of television sets that pick up the signal, said Joseph Davis, vice president of Cavell, Davis and Mertz, consultant to Gray Television.

Davis said he did not know how many households the signal will reach, but predicted that Channel 16 will be clear in the city, Albemarle County, and parts of Greene, Madison, Louisa, Fluvanna and perhaps parts of Buckingham counties.

The two stations-one owner system is known as a duopoly. That's no longer unusual, said Dow Smith, associate professor at the Newhouse School of Communications at Syracuse University.

For a smaller market like Charlottesville, it makes it more financially doable for a small company to come in because they have two different channels and two different networks to sell, Smith said.

Smith said that it is unusual, though not unheard of, for markets the size of Charlottesville to have three local network-affiliate stations.

Then there's the pending arrival of Channel 9, as well as Charlottesville's current public access channels 10, 13 and 14 on Adelphia, and a PAX affiliate and PBS affiliates that broadcast local-interest stories.

That's starting to be quite a bit, he said.

If all the stations go live at their scheduled times, residents near the city could receive ABC, CBS, NBC and Channel 9 without paying for cable or satellite connections.

But Paul Jacobson, a spokesman for Adelphia Communications Corp., said he expects the advent of more free channels to have little if any effect on Adelphia's customer base. People have overwhelmingly elected to have a multi-channel video service, he said, adding that more than 80 percent of U.S. homes with televisions have cable, satellite or another multi-channel provider.

Adelphia legally must carry the closest station affiliate, meaning that when the Charlottesville affiliates come in, channels such as the Richmond-based CBS station will no longer be carried by the local cable provider.

willie
post #42 of 3703
New affiliates are fine -- but are they going to be broadcasting DTV and HDTV signals? If so, on what channels?

[I assume someone who knew the FCC databases well could easily get these answers -- but I tried a few queries and couldn't even get the basics, like proposed broadcast power on Channel 19 WCAV, tower height, etc. ]

Doug
post #43 of 3703
For those looking for a good antenna guy that works in C-ville...my guy does a lot of work there and in Richmond as well as Lynchburg. His company is Hookups of Virginia. PM me if you need any contact information.

He did my antenna and rotator and just finished an LCD TV installation in my Master bedroom and did a first class job. This guy is good...not cheap...but you get what you pay for...and I think he's worth it.
post #44 of 3703
Thread Starter 
All this talk of separate news operations makes me wonder . . . in a sense, Charlottesville, Waynesboro, Staunton and Harrisonburg are closely linked. There are plenty of people who cross-commute among these locations, especially two-earner couples who are trying to accommodate two careers. As a result, I appreciate WHSV-TV3's occasional coverage of Charlottesville and WVIR-29's more regular coverage of various Valley events. Also -- advertisers, are you listening? -- advertising from Charlottesville isn't at all wasted as it reaches Valley viewers because many of us shop in Charlottesville from time to time.

Think of all the different reasons there are for all of us to visit each others' communities -- Shakespeare in Staunton, U.Va. and med center in Charlottesville, Green Valley Book Fair in Mt. Crawford, Joshua Wilton House in Harrisonburg and so on.

With all this, I'd be sorry to see Charlottesville stations go "Charlottesville only" with their coverage and WHSV go "Valley only" with its coverage.

willie
post #45 of 3703
Thread Starter 
[I tried a few queries and couldn't even get the basics, like proposed broadcast power on Channel 19 WCAV, tower height, etc. ]

This from http://home.earthlink.net/~wb9nme/tvdb/states/va.htm -- fixed the units from watts to kilowatts after 29Guy noticed the problem :

Charlottesville, VA WCAV [19] 1000. 325.6 -dH 37°59' 3"N 78°28'52"W TV-CP

That's 1000 [kilo]watts, with a tower 325.6 meters above average surrounding terrain. Originally WCAV was going to have higher power, but amended the application down to 1000 [kilo]watts. For comparison, looks like NBC-29 broadcasts at 5000 [kilo]watts and the PBS affiliate WHTJ at 251 [kilo]watts. Many, many factors affect signal propagation, of course -- but Shenandoah Valley viewers with capable antennas should be able to get this signal, I think. [Not that it's in the business plan to push the signal very far that way.]

Charlottesville, VA WVIR-TV [29] 5000. 363.0 - H 37°59' 0"N 78°28'54"W TV-LIC NBC

Charlottesville, VA WHTJ [41] 251.0 352.0 -dH 37°58'58"N 78°29' 0"W TV-LIC PBS

willie
post #46 of 3703
I believe you need to add three zeros to your power ratings. The numbers are in kilowatts.
post #47 of 3703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by 29Guy
I believe you need to add three zeros to your power ratings. The numbers are in kilowatts.

Thanks! . . . ooh, have to watch units. I edited that post.

I know you can't comment for the station, but wasn't that fascinating speculation about licenses and affiliations at http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board...Board=virginia ?
post #48 of 3703
Thread Starter 
In the Augusta Free Press:

http://www.augustafreepress.com/stories/storyReader$22703

Tracey Jones of WHSV-WCAV, etc., says it's unlikely that Valley viewers will ever see WCAV-CBS's signal. The cable systems won't carry it and we can't get it over the air:

"We don't think it's all that likely that Adelphia is going to want on its own to replace the CBS affiliate out of Washington right away unless there's demand from the viewers to do so. And since viewers here won't have the ability to see the channel over the air for themselves, it's questionable whether that demand will ever surface. It would be hard to expect people to demand something that they haven't seen," Jones said.

She's talking about the main market, obviously . . . either that, or underestimating our antennas and skills.

And yes, I realize we're a small minority -- but I can already get their low-power translator in fuzzy fashion and the power on their Channel 19 is going to be well above that.

willie
post #49 of 3703
I just got my HD TiVo this weekend and hooked it up. With a Silver Sensor in Charlottesville (near the stadium), I'm able to get NBC and PBS. I get CBS and FOX from DirecTV, so the only hole is ABC. I'm going to sit in a holding pattern with ABC until we see how this WVAW stuff pans out.

Still no word if they'll have digital from the get go?
post #50 of 3703
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Originally posted by aranganath
I'm going to sit in a holding pattern with ABC until we see how this WVAW stuff pans out.

Still no word if they'll have digital from the get go?

My impression is that they'll be analog-only at the start -- and that only after they're broadcasting will they ask for a digital frequency. Presumably that request could be denied, meaning . . . what? That one fine day they'd stop analog on channels 16 and 19 and start digital the next day?

willie
post #51 of 3703
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While looking around through http://www.idate.fr/an/qdn/an-04/IF308/index_a.htm , I found this statement:

Terrestrial TV's migration to digital

"Forget about 2006": Thus spoke FCC (Federal Communications Commission) President, Michael Powell, when referring to the scheduled switch-off date for terrestrial analogue TV, thus confirming that the industry is lagging behind initial targets. The key focus now is to have 85% of households with access to digital television. Although cable and satellite households are included in this figure, detailed rules of calculation have not been set: we do not know how homes with multiple sets will be counted nor what the term access to digital television really means. Is it enough to have a digital tuner on a TV that is used in analogue, to have access to a digital cable offer in the neighbourhood all of these questions remain unanswered. More important still, what will become of the remaining 15% of the population? Will they receive subsidies for buying converters? Added to this, migration to digital is mandatory for commercial and non-commercial channels (essentially PBS) but not for low power TV (LPTV) stations, of which there are over 2,000 in the States.

"LPTVs are considered secondary, in other words they are not likely to cause interference with other stations (if so, they must be closed down). They are often aimed at minorities, and have an ERP of roughly 1000 watts. Among them, there are 600 Class A stations which are protected under certain conditions. None of these stations enjoy must carry on cable, and are not involved in the transitional analogue-digital multicasting (there are probably not enough available frequencies)."

. . . and to me that raises the question: Could it be that WCAV-19 has only an LPTV license, in which case it possibly wouldn't go digital at all? (Surely that's not right!)

willie
post #52 of 3703
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Originally posted by wildwillie6
. . . and to me that raises the question: Could it be that WCAV-19 has only an LPTV license, in which case it possibly wouldn't go digital at all? (Surely that's not right!)

willie

No, but stations granted after digitals were assigned in 1997 or 1998 were not given a second channel for digital broadcasts (see WEPX-38 Greenville, NC or WSKY-4 Manteo, NC), so they will have to make the transition on the channel they were granted (in this case, 19) before 2007. Some stations, such as WCAV, WSKY, and WEPX, elected to go analog on their stations for the time being, while others, like WHDT-DT Stuart, FL; WTLF-DT Tallahassee, FL; and KDMI-DT Des Moines, IA chose to go digital early.

One station that I can think of that applied for a digital, KBEJ "UPN2" in Fredricksburg, TX, had their application for a digital on channel 63 denied, though I'm not sure whether it's because the FCC wasn't going to grant the newer stations second channels or because it was in a part of the band that was being reassigned. Maybe someone can find out.

WVAW-LP on 16 is low-powered, as the call letters imply, and will be making the transition whenever the FCC says they have to, unless they do like WTHC-LP 42 in Atlanta and choose to go digital early.

And BTW, how's the full-power on WVIR-DT coming along?

- Trip
post #53 of 3703
WVIR-DT will be up at 1,000 kW in two to three weeks. I will let you know when we go to full-power.
post #54 of 3703
Thread Starter 
I just noticed that my signal on WHSV-DT 49 is a good deal stronger than it was before -- same antenna, same STB, etc. -- did they have a power change?

willie
post #55 of 3703
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"I just noticed that my signal on WHSV-DT 49 is a good deal stronger than it was before -- same antenna, same STB, etc. -- did they have a power change?" willie

At 3:10 I can't get any signal from WHSV-DT, so Ben's doing something.
post #56 of 3703
Okay, it's been two or three weeks. Any idea on when WVIR-DT will be up (so I can tune in and see what I get, lol)?

I'm really anxious to have the possibility of NBC29 HD, as NBC29 is much better than WSLS.

- Trip
post #57 of 3703
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by Bill Johnson

At 3:10 I can't get any signal from WHSV-DT, so Ben's doing something.

. . . and this week I'm getting nothing, too.

willie
post #58 of 3703
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Originally posted by Trip in VA
Okay, it's been two or three weeks. Any idea on when WVIR-DT will be up (so I can tune in and see what I get, lol)?

- Trip

The new 1,000 kW Thales Paragon transmitter is currently running into a dummy load as part of a process to break-in the high-efficiency transmitting tubes. The commissioning process should be complete next week, after which it will be switched into the antenna. Expect full-power transmission before the end of the month.
post #59 of 3703
Trip and WW6 (and anyone else):

WVIR-DT, 29-1 (ch 32), is now at full-power from Charlottesville. Let us know if you're receiving it. The Olympics in high-def, 24 hrs/day is only three weeks away!
post #60 of 3703
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Hi, I'm getting a strong signal from here in Bridgewater via a rotator-mounted ChannelMaster 4248 with CM 7777 pre-amp. Good video and audio, no dropouts, showing just below "Good" and way above "Normal" on the non-numeric signal strength bar of a Zenith HDV420.

Looking forward to the Olympics in hi-def!

. . . and compliments to all on behalf of Channel 29's Valley viewers.

willie
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