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post #3361 of 3703
Is the game on the radio? Lots of people without power too.
post #3362 of 3703
Hi,

The only HD OTA channels I can get are WVPT from Staunton, 33 miles away.

I am using a $20 indoor GE flat panel, model 24703. I've tried rotating it around, high and low, near windows, etc.

I am 2 miles S of Massanutten peak--I can see it clearly, no obstructions, from my front porch. I can receive the FOX, CBS, and NBC analogs just fine from Masanutten, same indoor antenna.

I've read through this forum, LOTS of great info all, but I am wondering the following:

How is it I can still get analog channels when there was a digital switchover last year?

Why aren't the analogs from Massanutten peak digital instead?

Given my zip 22846 and antennaweb.org results of WVPT as my only potential digital station, is it even worth having and outdoor antenna array erected?

If so, are there any other Valley antenna installers folks recommend besides Timberville Electronics?

I live in a two story home and I am allergic to falls of ten feet or more. I am becoming allergic to cable TV, and satellite TV gave me a rash long ago.

Thanks!

PS--My situation MIGHT be very similar to Penn Laird, Massanetta Springs, Keezletown, Cross Keys, Montevideo, McGaheysville, Mt Crawford. Added those towns to this post to help out Googlers.
post #3363 of 3703
The Massanutten translators are LP channels and were not subject to the mandatory analog to digital transition last year. At some point, the FCC will require them to cut to digital, but the date hasn't been set yet. Some LP stations have already cut to digital, however. Channel 18 from Massanutten, which rebroadcasts WUSA/9/CBS from Washington and channel 46, which rebroadcasts WTTG/5/Fox from DC have been owned by Rockingham County for years. Channel 30 rebroadcasts WVIR/29/NBC from Charlottesville and is owned by WVIR. My understanding is WHSV is buying 18 and 30 (along with several other pairs of translators) from Rockingham County. They could put their FOX subchannel on one of the channels and perhaps might put co-owned WCAV/19/CBS in Charlottesville on the other. Surely, they will convert the translators to digital and will also put their MY subchannel and WHSV itself on as well. WVIR will also surely convert their channel 30 to digital and place their CW subchannel on the translator's subchannel as well. You may find yourself with full digital network coverage without doing anything! In the meantime, you should be able to snare WHSV-DT/RF 49 with ABC, as well as FOX and MY subchannels, with a good outside antenna, unless you're hopelessly shaded by Massanutten MT....
post #3364 of 3703
Should be able to see ABC either on channel 49 or 51, both will display as 3-1 on your tuner.

Depending on where you are, NBC from WVIR-32 (29-1) may diffract over the mountains with a good antenna.

Instead of Antennaweb, try plugging your location into TVFool.com as it tends to be much more accurate.

- Trip
post #3365 of 3703
Sorry for a basic question, but I'm no almost nothing about OTA HD and was wondering if someone would mind filling in a few details.

I recently purchased a new HDTV--but our cable provider does not have HD service. Using the antenna setting on the TV, we can pick up the channel 29 digital signals, including NBC HD. Would I be able to get the other network stations in HD using an indoor antenna? If so, is there an affordable one I can buy. I live in the ground-floor apartment of an apartment complex in Charlottesville near the University, which I assume matters in terms of the reception we might receive.

Thanks in advance for the help. Sorry if this is a simple question. I tried using TVFool to figure this out, but wasn't quite sure what the output meant.
post #3366 of 3703
lcjjdnh, I also live in a ground floor apartment near UVA in Charlottesville, and with an indoor antenna connected to my friend's HDTV we are able to get all the local networks (PBS, NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox) in HD with an indoor antenna. Yes, at times the signals are choppy and erratic, but it is for the most part pretty good. I believe you should be able to get the same channels, but do realize that the quality may not always be great.

Trip may be able to give you some more info, but this is my personal experience with my setup.
post #3367 of 3703
I lived in New Dorms for a year and am in my second year of living in Lambeth. The first year in Lambeth, I lived on the ground floor on the wrong side of the complex, and now I'm on the second floor on the correct side. Used an indoor antenna for digital TV all three years without issue. (Next year I'll be on JPA.)

As long as you don't care about WVPT-11, a generic indoor UHF antenna should do it with careful positioning. I have a spectrum analyzer that I use to fine-tune the position because multipath is a major problem in the area. Depending how far away you are, I could potentially bring it to you to find a preferred antenna position.

- Trip
post #3368 of 3703
Thread Starter 
My understanding is WHSV is buying 18 and 30 (along with several other pairs of translators) from Rockingham County. They could put their FOX subchannel on one of the channels and perhaps might put co-owned WCAV/19/CBS in Charlottesville on the other.

Makes sense to me, especially putting WCAV-CBS into an area that's under-served with CBS signal just now. I understand there's some technical thing about market definition that causes them to hesitate on that -- but I can't see them continuing to bring in WUSA. (?) (See earlier discussion at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...86678&page=106 )

WVIR will also surely convert their channel 30 to digital and place their CW subchannel on the translator's subchannel as well.

That would also make a lot of sense -- because WVIR-DT29's native signal gets iffy over here in the Valley when the leaves come out on the Blue Ridge. I do wonder, though, how the business case looks (with few people getting signals OTA).
post #3369 of 3703
Hey, thanks to those of you that offered advice. I ended up buy a cheap antenna from Target and it works perfectly. Picks up all the broadcast networks in HD.
post #3370 of 3703
Noticed WVIR in 5.1 audio during the hockey game this afternoon.
post #3371 of 3703
Today, Feb 25, has been awful for NBC-29 reception. The signal jumps wildly from a high of 82 to the low 60s and finally to no picture or severe pixelation. I have not had a major problem with NBC 29 in Culpeper. CBS 19 has remained steady although a low signal.
post #3372 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Wallyb47 View Post

Today, Feb 25, has been awful for NBC-29 reception. The signal jumps wildly from a high of 82 to the low 60s and finally to no picture or severe pixelation. I have not had a major problem with NBC 29 in Culpeper. CBS 19 has remained steady although a low signal.

Wind?
post #3373 of 3703
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Originally Posted by DrBri99 View Post

Wind?

Not the wind. Low mounted roof antenna facing C'Ville not even above the roofline and received CBS19 just fine and at about the same signal strength that didn't fluctuate. Have no idea what it was.
post #3374 of 3703
Getting a strong signal from WCAV this morning in Virginia Beach...
post #3375 of 3703
Anyone heard anything about future translator action in the Central Shenandoah Valley? My Winegard antenna finally failed (preamp blown) and I was thinking of replacing it with a similar Winegard. From west of Mt. Crawford, I get good signals with this small antenna on WHSV-DT and WVPT plus the Massanutten translators.

Might look at going with a much bigger antenna if I could be confident OTA broadcasting isn't going away (and I'm not). But I get plenty of signal, for me, if I can keep getting locals plus the translators, and if they keep broadcasting.
post #3376 of 3703
post #3377 of 3703
Does anybody know of a VHF antenna with more gain on Ch. 11 than the Winegard ya-1713 (10dB)?

Also, I currently run a CM 4228 through a CM 7777 along with the ya-1713. Will my setup have a problem with channel 11 reception since the CM 4228 is also picking up some signal on ch. 11 (WVPT)? In other words does that signal at all interfere with the stronger one that the Winegard is picking up?

Currently I can get WVPT, but with a lot of pixelation.
post #3378 of 3703
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ajamison View Post

I currently run a CM 4228 through a CM 7777 along with the ya-1713. Will my setup have a problem with channel 11 reception since the CM 4228 is also picking up some signal on ch. 11 (WVPT)? In other words does that signal at all interfere with the stronger one that the Winegard is picking up?

Currently I can get WVPT, but with a lot of pixelation.

Supposedly those dueling ch. 11 signals shouldn't be a problem if you have the CM 7777 set right; there's pretty good isolation between its separate VHF and UHF sides.

That said, I have not had good luck combining my VHF and UHF antennas though my CM 7777. As it turns out, I'm getting the best results by disconnecting my Antennacraft 7-13 antenna and just using my old CM 4248 yagi for VHF and UHF. I set the 7777 for a single combined VHF-UHF input.

This didn't work the first time I tried it, with an older Samsung HDTV receiver doing the decoding. However, since I upgraded to a DTVPal DVR with greater multipath tolerance, it has worked fine.
post #3379 of 3703
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Originally Posted by ajamison View Post

Does anybody know of a VHF antenna with more gain on Ch. 11 than the Winegard ya-1713 (10dB)?.

Winegard does make a few combo antennas with a bit more gain, but I doubt it would make much difference.

Have you checked TV FOOL to see how strong channel 11 is at your location? Do you have overhead powerlines in your area? Do you have the FM trap engaged on the 7777.

The craziest things can create VHF reliability issues. I completely lose VHF 12 when my amplified speakers are turned on; even with a roof mounted 1713.
post #3380 of 3703
TVFool doesn't have the best handle on my location. It shows WVPT as being the 2nd strongest signal, behind NBC29, but I get WHTJ and WCAV much more easily. It also show WAHU as a stronger signal than WCAV, but I struggle to get WAHU.

FM trap is off, but there are a bunch of trees in the way. I can't get much higher, short of telecsoping mast or tower. I thought if there was an antenna with some more gain, it might be a cheaper solution. I can still return the YA-1713 at this point.
post #3381 of 3703
If channel 11 is in the yellow, or not too far down in the red zone, 11 should be more reliable than not.

Did you try reception with the trap on? FM can be a deal breaker on VHF even without an amplifier. If channel 29 is strong enough, it may be hurting you as well. The 7777 overloads easily.

A lot of height isn't usually as necessary with VHF as it is with UHF. You can try moving the antenna up or down slightly to find a better sweet spot for 11 though.
post #3382 of 3703
I meant the FM trap is on.

TVfool does show WVPT in the yellow for me, but WVAW and WCAV both in red, and I get those full strength. (WAHU in red as well, but not a consistent signal for me).

Wouldn't WVIR overload affect other channels or just the weakest ones?
post #3383 of 3703
2 other questions:

1) Does it matter if the preamp is located between the 2 antennas on the mast or should it be below the bottom one?

2) Is it beneficial to have equal lengths of coax between each antenna and the preamp?
post #3384 of 3703
It doesn't really matter where the pre-amp is mounted on the mast. The length of the cables isn't crucial either.

What can be a factor is how close the antennas are to each other. The rule of thumb is at least 3.5' separation for a VHF-Hi/UHF antenna.

I'm now wondering if 11's signal is getting out as well as it should? I put up a 1713 at a friends house in Reva a couple weeks ago. We never could get 11 to come in at all, but 7 & 9 out of DC came in, albeit with a good bit of pixelation. Channel 7 & 9 show up as being much weaker than 11. TV FOOL
post #3385 of 3703
Does anyone know what happened to WVPY on channel 42, which I think came to me from somewhere in Page County (I am in central Rappahannock). It was one of my good stations until about 5 days ago when the signal totally disappeared. I have emailed the station but no reply yet. I don't get any other Harrisonburg stations, only Charlottesville. I have an outdoor antenna and everything is over-the-air.
post #3386 of 3703
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Originally Posted by janiegirl View Post

Does anyone know what happened to WVPY on channel 42, which I think came to me from somewhere in Page County (I am in central Rappahannock). It was one of my good stations until about 5 days ago when the signal totally disappeared. I have emailed the station but no reply yet. I don't get any other Harrisonburg stations, only Charlottesville. I have an outdoor antenna and everything is over-the-air.

Update, just got this email from WVPY:
Thanks for your note and the kind words about WVPT Create. Actually, the transmitter (channel 42 from that area) is currently off the air. We had equipment issues over the weekend and waiting on parts to arrive this morning. The parts arrived this morning and an engineer is on the way to install those and turn the transmitter back on. Hopefully later this evening you will be able to enjoy WVPT and our Create channel on 42.1 and 42.2
post #3387 of 3703
1. Is anyone in the Charlottesville area getting WSET?
2. Is WIVC on the air? WIVC would probably block WSET for the Charlottesville Market.

WWBT channel 12 is a relatively stong channel in the Charlottesville market with a 10 element yagi.
Are other seeing this?
post #3388 of 3703
I've never seen any evidence to suggest that WIVC-LP is on the air.

29Guy told me he hasn't seen WWBT since June 12, but I managed to decode it while screwing around with the XG91 on the roof of the reactor. That was while touching metal to it to make it more VHF-friendly, but still. I suspect if we get the VHF antenna I want up there, we'll get WWBT and WVPT in addition to the UHFs.

- Trip
post #3389 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Hokie Jim View Post

1. Is anyone in the Charlottesville area getting WSET?
2. Is WIVC on the air? WIVC would probably block WSET for the Charlottesville Market.

WWBT channel 12 is a relatively stong channel in the Charlottesville market with a 10 element yagi.
Are other seeing this?

I haven't tried (post-transition) to get any Lynchburg/Roanoke Stations, when I tried pre-transition I couldn't get anything. I do get WWBT 24/7 with a CM 4228 though.
post #3390 of 3703
Last night Comcast changed the channel numbering system for subs who are not using a cable box. So, it is necessary for you to re-scan your digital TV.

The local station numbers now agree with their over-the-air numbers, i.e., NBC29 which was 1.1 is now 29.1, Wx+ is 29.2, and CW29 is 29.3.

29Guy

Update: Currently, this only affects Charlottesville Comcast subscribers. Valley systems will change June 1 - 3.
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