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post #3481 of 3703
Thanks, 29Guy.

Now that the FCC site is up again, I found that expiration date. It's February 13, 2011.

- Trip
post #3482 of 3703
Thanks for the info Trip and 29 Guy! Great news for all of us here in the Valley!
post #3483 of 3703
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Originally Posted by wjod2 View Post

Thanks for the info Trip and 29 Guy! Great news for all of us here in the Valley!

I second that! Many thanks from the NBC29 viewers in the valley!
post #3484 of 3703
Analog translators 18/CBS and 46/FOX on Massanutten mountain are off the air.

Looks like Rockingham County followed through with the translator shutdown.

http://www.wsvaonline.com/2010/12/17...oadcas/8802637

I do hope Grey communications will bring in a replacement CBS feed as it will be missed in the Valley. WTVR and CBS 19 out of c'ville are not reliable or unobtainable ( at least in the systems i have setup North East Augusta Co).
post #3485 of 3703
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CmdrTekno View Post
I do hope Grey communications will bring in a replacement CBS feed as it will be missed in the Valley. WTVR and CBS 19 out of c'ville are not reliable or unobtainable ( at least in the systems i have setup North East Augusta Co).
It's the same story at my location near Bridgewater -- CBS is the hardest to get. WTVR is OK when the leaves are off the trees; CBS 19 from C'Ville is spotty at best.
post #3486 of 3703
WVIR just filed another extension for the translator on Elliot Knob. Apparently, when they went to put up the new antenna, they found that a part for the antenna had been damaged, and they do not expect to receive a replacement prior to the February 13 expiration date.

- Trip
post #3487 of 3703
Does anyone know if there has been a change in channel 29's signal? Outside Sperryville, all of a sudden 29 signal is too weak to view, as is channel 16, both of which I always got fine. In return, I now get channel 27, which I almost never got before. Going on for 2 days now.
post #3488 of 3703
WVIR-TV's new channel 41 digital translator is now on the air broadcasting from Elliott Knob in southwest Augusta County. The translator offers three channels which identify themselves as NBC29, 29.1, Wx+, 29.2, and CW29, 29.3. The NBC29 analog translator which formerly broadcast from Elliott Knob has been permanently shutdown.

Reception reports on the operation of the digital translator would be greatly appreciated.

29Guy
post #3489 of 3703
Congratulations, 29Guy! I guess that damaged part wasn't quite as big an issue as it was made out to be in the FCC filing.

- Trip
post #3490 of 3703
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WVIR-TV's new channel 41 digital translator is now on the air broadcasting from Elliott Knob in southwest Augusta County. The translator offers three channels which identify themselves as NBC29, 29.1, Wx+, 29.2, and CW29, 29.3. The NBC29 analog translator which formerly broadcast from Elliott Knob has been permanently shutdown.

Reception reports on the operation of the digital translator would be greatly appreciated.

29Guy

Noticed 31 was gone and rescanned hoping to see a digital 41 and it was there!

Signal in Crimora (NE Augusta Co) is very strong (CM4228 original + 7777). Will try some lower gain antennas tomorrow.

Thanks WVIR for still standing by broadcast TV even in the typically underserved Valley!

Jeremy
post #3491 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Congratulations, 29Guy! I guess that damaged part wasn't quite as big an issue as it was made out to be in the FCC filing.

- Trip

Oh, the tuning stub was pretty well bent, but considering how long it would take to get a new one from Australia, we decided to try it. VSWR was well within specs, so, we decided to go with it.

29Guy
post #3492 of 3703
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Originally Posted by CmdrTekno View Post

Noticed 31 was gone and rescanned hoping to see a digital 41 and it was there!

Signal in Crimora (NE Augusta Co) is very strong (CM4228 original + 7777). Will try some lower gain antennas tomorrow.

Thanks WVIR for still standing by broadcast TV even in the typically underserved Valley!

Jeremy

Thanks for the signal report. Glad to hear NBC29 is coming in loud and clear.

29Guy
post #3493 of 3703
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Originally Posted by 29Guy View Post

Oh, the tuning stub was pretty well bent, but considering how long it would take to get a new one from Australia, we decided to try it. VSWR was well within specs, so, we decided to go with it.

29Guy

Are you still planning to get a new one or are you just going to keep the one you have, given the SWR was good?

EDIT: One note, by the way. Just decided to fire up my spectrum analyzer and with the antenna still aimed at Roanoke, I think I see the slightest hint of a channel 41 signal down here in Charlotte County, weaker than WVIR is in this position, but present. I always see signal on 11, and in the analog days I could see WVPT-51 with my antenna aimed that way but NOT the channel 31 signal. I need to turn the antenna and determine whether I can see 41 from here all the time, like I can with WVIR's main signal. I wish I could put up an antenna and join it into the main system to bring in NBC29 all the time here...

- Trip
post #3494 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Are you still planning to get a new one or are you just going to keep the one you have, given the SWR was good?

EDIT: One note, by the way. Just decided to fire up my spectrum analyzer and with the antenna still aimed at Roanoke, I think I see the slightest hint of a channel 41 signal down here in Charlotte County, weaker than WVIR is in this position, but present. I always see signal on 11, and in the analog days I could see WVPT-51 with my antenna aimed that way but NOT the channel 31 signal. I need to turn the antenna and determine whether I can see 41 from here all the time, like I can with WVIR's main signal. I wish I could put up an antenna and join it into the main system to bring in NBC29 all the time here...

- Trip

Hi Trip!

We hope to replace the damaged stub, but it will take a while as we will need to file a damage claim with the carrier. Then they will probably say the manufacturer didn't pack it properly...damage claims are always a hassle.

If you can receive sufficient signal in Matthews Co, I would certainly be interested in the readings from your analyzer, probably would help us determine if the signal quality is within acceptable limits.

Maybe when you return to UVA I can buy you lunch in Staunton...and you bring your meter along!

29Guy
post #3495 of 3703
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Thanks for the signal report. Glad to hear NBC29 is coming in loud and clear.

29Guy

I am also able to pull in the RF 41 translator off an old powered UHF loop "rabbit ears" @ about 80% on the LG zenith converter box! The same rabbit ears setup is unable to lock on the whsv RF 51 translator so kudos on the strong signal.
post #3496 of 3703
Well, this evening I did my rotor test. Turned the antenna to the north to see what I could get on 41. I did see some signal, but not enough for a decode. Given my experiences with WVPT-51 analog, the level seemed right.

Ironically, the position where I peaked W41DT-D was a position where WVIR was high enough to decode.

In the process, I realized that I no longer need to optimize the antenna aim to balance WDRL and WSET, since WDRL is off the air, so I am trying a new aim that is somewhat more northward-facing. WSET was having wind fade problems, and this new aim seems to have cleared it up. I was hoping to find an aim that would let me pull in NBC29, but then WDBJ and WPXR fail to decode cleanly.

- Trip
post #3497 of 3703
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Originally Posted by CmdrTekno View Post

I am also able to pull in the RF 41 translator off an old powered UHF loop "rabbit ears" @ about 80% on the LG zenith converter box! The same rabbit ears setup is unable to lock on the whsv RF 51 translator so kudos on the strong signal.

ComdrTekno,

Your tests would seem to confirm that the ch 41 antenna is working properly and delivering the planned signal coverage. Channel 41 was chosen because it would allow NBC29, Wx+, and CW29 to radiate the maximum of 15,000 watts across Augusta Co and southern Rockingham.

In April, when channel 30 begins operation from Massanutten, also at 15,000 watts, all of the Central Shenandoah Valley should receive good coverage. In Crimora, you may even receive a stronger signal from Massanutten.

Thanks for the signal reports.

29Guy
post #3498 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Well, this evening I did my rotor test. Turned the antenna to the north to see what I could get on 41. I did see some signal, but not enough for a decode. Given my experiences with WVPT-51 analog, the level seemed right.

Ironically, the position where I peaked W41DT-D was a position where WVIR was high enough to decode.

In the process, I realized that I no longer need to optimize the antenna aim to balance WDRL and WSET, since WDRL is off the air, so I am trying a new aim that is somewhat more northward-facing. WSET was having wind fade problems, and this new aim seems to have cleared it up. I was hoping to find an aim that would let me pull in NBC29, but then WDBJ and WPXR fail to decode cleanly.

- Trip

Trip,

I'm impressed that you get anything from W41DT-D. The center of radiation, 50 degrees east of north, is not favorable to reception in Charlotte County.

29Guy
post #3499 of 3703
Well, the pattern looks like this: http://www.rabbitears.info/oddsanden...ation=0&erp=15

So I'm still getting a significant amount of power out of it.

- Trip
post #3500 of 3703
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Originally Posted by 29Guy View Post



In April, when channel 30 begins operation from Massanutten, also at 15,000 watts, all of the Central Shenandoah Valley should receive good coverage. In Crimora, you may even receive a stronger signal from Massanutten.

29Guy

Looking forward to the Massanutten translator as the RF 28 signal has always been great vs the RF 31 was so-so. If all systems are go for April that will save me from having to get up on the roof of two family members houses that do not have rotors that have pointed toward Massanutten mountain for decades.

With 15k watts I expect I will be able to get this ch30 feed regardless of the direction of my outdoors antenna and I am guessing with a paperclip from my standalone rabbit ears setup (TV is LOS out the window to the transmitter @ ~14mi).

Jeremy
post #3501 of 3703
29 Guy,

Are you aware of audio dropouts over the last week? My wife noticed it on Dr. Phil last week and yesterday.
post #3502 of 3703
I have a friend who lives in Bice on the 7th floor. I was at her apartment there because she wanted company while she unpacked, and I had brought along my computer, receiver, and antenna to watch House on 27-1.

The problem was that I forgot a coax cable to wire the antenna to the USB receiver. So I asked her for a paperclip, but all she had were the coated ones, none of the straight metal paper clips. But in the same container, she had a thumbtack. That was the most metallic thing there, so I took it, stuck it in the space on the coax connector for the center core, and leaned it against the hutch of the desk.

I watched the whole hour of House without dropouts using a thumbtack for an antenna.

- Trip
post #3503 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I have a friend who lives in Bice on the 7th floor. I was at her apartment there because she wanted company while she unpacked, and I had brought along my computer, receiver, and antenna to watch House on 27-1.

The problem was that I forgot a coax cable to wire the antenna to the USB receiver. So I asked her for a paperclip, but all she had were the coated ones, none of the straight metal paper clips. But in the same container, she had a thumbtack. That was the most metallic thing there, so I took it, stuck it in the space on the coax connector for the center core, and leaned it against the hutch of the desk.

I watched the whole hour of House without dropouts using a thumbtack for an antenna.

- Trip

amazing story trip, shows what you do for a little R&R
post #3504 of 3703
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amazing story trip, shows what you do for a little R&R

LOL... Even though she wanted company, you didn't help and on top of that you watched TV while she busted her arse unpacking... Hahaha!!!






(just kidding)
post #3505 of 3703
Maybe is just me in Culpeper, but NBC 29.1, 29.2 and 29.3 have no picture on all my TVs. I have rescanned and the scan comes up with all three 29s but no pictur. I still receive all the other C'ville stations clearly but nothing from NBC29. Is it me? I use the same poutside antenna for all C'ville stations and even show 82% reading on 29 but a black screen. Other TVs show colore bar in the blue showing good signal. Sigh!!! 29 Guy you out there?
post #3506 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Wallyb47 View Post

Maybe is just me in Culpeper, but NBC 29.1, 29.2 and 29.3 have no picture on all my TVs. I have rescanned and the scan comes up with all three 29s but no pictur. I still receive all the other C'ville stations clearly but nothing from NBC29. Is it me? I use the same poutside antenna for all C'ville stations and even show 82% reading on 29 but a black screen. Other TVs show colore bar in the blue showing good signal. Sigh!!! 29 Guy you out there?

Not just you, same here.
post #3507 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Wallyb47 View Post

Maybe is just me in Culpeper, but NBC 29.1, 29.2 and 29.3 have no picture on all my TVs. I have rescanned and the scan comes up with all three 29s but no pictur. I still receive all the other C'ville stations clearly but nothing from NBC29. Is it me? I use the same poutside antenna for all C'ville stations and even show 82% reading on 29 but a black screen. Other TVs show colore bar in the blue showing good signal. Sigh!!! 29 Guy you out there?

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=14037401

Looks like they are having some issues tonight.
post #3508 of 3703
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Originally Posted by CmdrTekno View Post

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=14037401

Looks like they are having some issues tonight.

Thanks/

That link didn't work and has apparently been removed. Glad it wasn't just me. Now I have 29.1 and 29.3 back but still no 29.2 I looked on the NBC29 Web site for more information but found nothing so far.
post #3509 of 3703
I just checked in TSReader and it looks like 29-2 is currently listed in the PMT and the PSIP, but the audio and video components of it are missing, possibly indicating that the encoder has been disabled for whatever reason. Perhaps something went wrong with their mux and turning off 29-2 fixed it?

- Trip
post #3510 of 3703
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I just checked in TSReader and it looks like 29-2 is currently listed in the PMT and the PSIP, but the audio and video components of it are missing, possibly indicating that the encoder has been disabled for whatever reason. Perhaps something went wrong with their mux and turning off 29-2 fixed it?

- Trip

Thanks, Trip,
All three channels were doing the same thing and later last night late 29.1 came back on, and this morning 29.3 was on as well. Now that leaves 29.3 as the only one not back. All had signal with a black screen and no audio or video. You would think there would be something easy to find on NBC29's Web site. Must have been last night but it's gone now.
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