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post #3631 of 3703
You need to use the tool at TVFool.com to more accurately predict what signals are available to you. Be sure to be exact with your address and antenna height (10 feet is assumed) for best results. You may discover that you are shielded by terrain to several stations (something antennaweb cannot tell you). You can share your TVFool results by posting the URL of the report.

When including an amplifier makes reception worse, that usually means you have so much signal that the amplifier overloads. Most of the time, an amplifier does nothing to help reception of digital OTA.
post #3632 of 3703
Thanks! TV fool said i need an attic mounted antenna to get what i am missing. i was hoping to avoid something like that, but i think i can make it work. i'll try ditching the amplifier too.
post #3633 of 3703
Hi everyone,

I'm looking for some insight as to how far I'd have to go to get basically anything, from the far Eastern part of Orange County(Lake of the Woods/Locust Grove). I ran TVFool and the best values were for NBC29 and CBS19 out of Charlottesville. I know FOX is simucast on 19-3, not HD but I'd take SD just to have something. ABC looks like it would be the hardest, 7 out of DC and 22 out of Richmond are very close numberwise, of course opposite direction though.

Would I even be able to get anything with attic-mounted or would I have to mount something outside? Trying to help my parents out who just bought a house but aren't moving there full time for at least 5 years, so cable/sat is really not an option for visiting once every few weeks, it would be nice to have something, anything really. I'm visiting in the fall and will try a couple indoor antennas and my laptop with a portable OnAir GT tuner but based on the numbers I think it would be very hard to get anything without at least an attic antenna? Does anyone live in that general area and have any comments/suggestions? The first thing I will try is the cable outlet to make sure it's not still active, or if it's trapped at the pole and can just get the locals in HD, that would be so great.

Thanks!
post #3634 of 3703
Post the URL of your TVFool report so we can have more details to work with.
post #3635 of 3703
Here's the report I got a more exact address, it's worse than I thought in my last post unfortunetly. I looked up some of the graphical coverage maps and there is better signal a third or half mile down the road, of course.
post #3636 of 3703
Your report tells you that an indoor antenna will likely get you exactly one station (RF 30) that has a total of six channels on it. TVFool's default antenna height is 10 feet, which is what you used. I'll bet rerunning the predictions using a typical atticv/outside height of 20 to 25 feet will yield better results. Even so, you're looking at an outdoor installation for best results.

If you get noise margins of about 17 or more, you could get by with a UHF/high-VHF combination antenna, and there are two series that get recommended the most often: Winegard's HD769nP, where n=4, 6, or 8, and AntennaCraft's (Radio Shack) HBU-nn, where n=3, 4, or 5. Go for the largest you can afford to provide the most protection against fades.

Based on my experience, if your noise margins are mostly above 20 at that height, you could mount the antenna in the attic.
post #3637 of 3703
Thanks for the reply. Even at a height of 25ft, the noise margins are in the teens. I'll take a look around the neighborhood when I visit looking for outdoor setups, and ask any neighbors if i see one, there seems to be a ton of rules in this community so there are probably restrictions(I know there are certain things that they cannot disallow per FCC rules).

Talk about bad location for OTA, it's basically smack in the middle of DC, Richmond, and Charlottesville markets! I checked some service coutours on the FCC website and it's very close(but covered) in some cases by only about a mile.
post #3638 of 3703
The TV Fool is not always accurate. The TV Fool report for my friends location in Madison looks so-so, but C-Ville is excellent & Richmond is very reliable (except no NBC-12) . DC is hit or miss at times, but still watched quite a bit (especially ION)
post #3639 of 3703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ValleyViewer View Post

I live 12 miles north of Harrisonburg and football season has killed me, since there is no CBS....Whos arm do we need to twist to get them to rebroadcast our neighboring CBS affiliates?

ValleyViewer, if you're still out there, the wait may be nearly over. From 12 miles north of Harrisonburg, you should be able to get a reasonable signal on Gray's new CBS affiliate, going on the air Real Soon Now. Updates are available on the station's Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/cbsthev; local coverage of the new affiiate is at http://www.bridgewaterva.com/newbuzz/2012/07/17/new-cbs-tv-station-coming/ .
post #3640 of 3703
How is everyone's signal on the new WSVF 43? Signal strength is great in Crimora but still getting some video artifacts and audio cut outs. Interesting to see two HD feeds on the same channel.

Glad to finally get all of the broadcast stations in the valley in HD!

-Jeremy.
post #3641 of 3703
Have they cut the Fox feed off WHSV, or is that still there?

- Trip
post #3642 of 3703
No, but hope they do. WHSV's bit rates are stretched pretty thin with the 4 feeds. The fox feed (3.2) is basically unwatchable to me.
post #3643 of 3703
I was so surprised to see that CW on 29.3 as a sub channel was being broadcast in HD as 720p. Way to go.
post #3644 of 3703
According to AntennaWeb.org, I am seven miles from Carters Mountain in Charlottesville. To receive our local channels, I installed a Channel Master 4220 antenna along with a Channel Master CM-7777 mast-mount preamp in our attic.

My TV has a "signal strength" indicator in one of its menus. I don't know exactly what this measures, but it fluctuates wildly from "4 bars" to "10 bars" on several channels. When the "strength" reaches "4 bars" I start seeing dropouts. The antenna, being in the attic, is not affected by weather and I see the problem on both calm and windy days.

Can anyone suggest what might be causing this? Thanks.
post #3645 of 3703
The signals are bouncing around in the attic & arriving at the antenna at different times/angles, so your TV is seeing a fluctuating, poor quality signal. If you were watching analog channels, you would be seeing multiple images (ghosting) on the screen. Experimenting with different locations in the attic may solve the problem. If this doesn't help, the antenna will need to be mounted on the roof to reduce the detrimental effects of multipath.

Once you get the antenna in a spot where it can receive a cleaner signal, you will likely find the 7777 to be unnecessary. It may actually be making things worse as it is easily overloaded. It is designed for fringe locations with no nearby stations.
post #3646 of 3703
DigitalRules: Thank you so much for your help. Your suggestion explains why my situation did not improve with adding the CM-7777. I know the CM-7777 is intended for fringe use but though it might help as my TVs signal strength indicator was so low at times.

Do you have a suggestion as to how to find that sweet spot in the attic? Near an edge? Close to the roof deck? Away from boxes?
post #3647 of 3703
Other than staying away from metal objects, it is a basically a back & forth game of trial & error. It helps to have someone downstairs to test reception after you move the antenna each time. You can try setting the antenna on a cardboard box instead of actually mounting it until you find a good spot.
post #3648 of 3703
Quote:
Originally Posted by CmdrTekno View Post

No, but hope they do. WHSV's bit rates are stretched pretty thin with the 4 feeds. The fox feed (3.2) is basically unwatchable to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallyb47 View Post


I was so surprised to see that CW on 29.3 as a sub channel was being broadcast in HD as 720p. Way to go.
How does the PQ look for WVIR's channels now???
post #3649 of 3703
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Rules View Post

Other than staying away from metal objects, it is a basically a back & forth game of trial & error. It helps to have someone downstairs to test reception after you move the antenna each time. You can try setting the antenna on a cardboard box instead of actually mounting it until you find a good spot.
The cardboard box is a great idea. Thanks!

Since this posting I noticed that my next door neighbor has a roof mounted antenna which supplements their Direct TV reception. It's turned *away* from Carter's Mountain by 180 degrees. (ie. it's mounted backwards). It was easy to turn my attic mount by 180 degrees, and to my surprise, the signal strength indicator on my TV became steady at 6 - 8 "bars" out of 10.

But it's not all good news. Fox 27-1 is now too weak to be received at all (I guess that would be 0 "bars"!), so I'm still looking for that sweet spot in the attic.
post #3650 of 3703
You could try using an antenna rotator and run the wire for the controller to your TV. The rotator will allow for more precise incremental adjustments than by hand and you don't have to keep running up and down the stairs from your attic.
post #3651 of 3703
shwru980r: Interesting idea. Thanks. I don't know yet if simply rotating the antenna will be enough, I may have to move it to a completely new location.

I'll post back here when I figure this out.
post #3652 of 3703
Here's an update to my situation, I'm finally getting CBS!!! The channel is 43.2.. which is strange as it doesn't come up in a TVFool scan. On clear days I can pull in WTVR-DT 6.1 which is included in the scan.

Anyway problem solved.. BUT.. here's the minor detail.. I don't know if the channel just started reaching me or what.. cuz I only noticed the new channel when I changed to a different TV this month!... Would I have caught the new channel if I had re-scanned on my old one.. I didn't check that.. having sent the older TV upstairs for DVD playback only purposes..

Anyway, just updating those who still didn't have CBS in the area.
post #3653 of 3703
I noticed a billboard in Waynesboro for CBS in the Valley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSVF-LD2

Another local TV update; it appears CW-29 on 29.3 is now in 720p. WVIR must have upgraded to broadcast two HD streams.
post #3654 of 3703
For the past several weeks I’ve been getting glitches on 29-1 when I record Jeopardy. It will pixelate sometimes, and other times it will give a buzzing sound, then jerks and eliminates up to a second of recording. This is happening at a minimum of 2 times per broadcast. I have recorded it on another DVR and experienced the same thing at the exact spot, so I find it hard to believe it is on my end. Anyone else noticing this problem?
post #3655 of 3703
Thread Starter 
WHSV's bit rates are stretched pretty thin with the 4 feeds. The fox feed (3.2) is basically unwatchable to me.

And now WHSV seems to be running a bandwidth-starved version of its CBS affiliate on 3.5. Anyone know what's up?
post #3656 of 3703
Thread Starter 
Here's an update to my situation, I'm finally getting CBS!!! The channel is 43.2.. which is strange as it doesn't come up in a TVFool scan. On clear days I can pull in WTVR-DT 6.1 which is included in the scan.

Anyway problem solved.. BUT.. here's the minor detail.. I don't know if the channel just started reaching me or what.. cuz I only noticed the new channel when I changed to a different TV this month!... Would I have caught the new channel if I had re-scanned on my old one.. I didn't check that.. having sent the older TV upstairs for DVD playback only purposes..

Anyway, just updating those who still didn't have CBS in the area.


That is CBS-The V out of Harrisonburg, a low-power CBS affiliate from Gray Broadcasting. Can't find a website but they do have a Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/cbsthev
post #3657 of 3703
No more translators for WUSA Channel 9? I would probably be forced to get cable/sat to receive the DC stations.
post #3658 of 3703
No more translators for WUSA Channel 9? I would probably be forced to get cable/sat to receive the DC stations.
post #3659 of 3703
wildwillie I like your avatar. Looks like an original Channel Master 4248 UHF Diamond antenna. Great performing UHF antenna that sadly is no longer made. Got 2 myself, along with 3 original 4228s and one larger 4257. Now if I had just gotten a 4251 parabolic before they disappeared. The old Channel Master company produced great products, unlike today's Chinese made imitations.
post #3660 of 3703
Does anyone know if Comcast in Charlottesville changed their lineup in the last couple of days? All channels on my network tuner disappeared a day or two ago.

Thanks.
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