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post #331 of 2181
I updated the MacTimeShifter application for the Moto 6200 and here are links to some screenshots.

http://mac_hdtv_timer.home.comcast.net/MTS1.pdf

http://mac_hdtv_timer.home.comcast.net/MTS2.pdf

http://mac_hdtv_timer.home.comcast.n...meShifterX.zip
The preset channels work in Comcast areas with a similar channel lineup

Have to click on Enable Tune to Channels, once only during session, to tune a channel from the dropdown menu. Still need to use scripts as before for iCal integration. This is a very simple interface. Okay, simplistic.

If anyone has the same channel lineup, please let me know how channel tuning works for you.?
post #332 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by rcliff
I'm SOL! No Star Wars for me. The script didn't work. I have no idea why because I did a test both before and after to verify and all worked as it should. Both AVCBrowser and VirtualDVHS were launched but recording did not start. I'll have to test further to try and isolate. I don't fell so bad because I also found my wife set the box to the wrong channel so I would have had nothing anyway.

EDIT: It looks like I'll get another chance on the 18th

One thing that comes to mind, though the display may sleep, don't let the computer go to sleep. This impacts iCal's ability to launch file alarms.
post #333 of 2181
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by jsb_hburg
One thing that comes to mind, though the display may sleep, don't let the computer go to sleep. This impacts iCal's ability to launch file alarms.

Energy saver is on "never". I do have the screen saver set to "Computer Name". It uses very little CPU cycles but perhaps this affected it.
post #334 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by rcliff
You have to wait for the recording to finish before you can begin playback. This is not like a Tivo.

You Don't - I'm mean, It Is! Hehe I just tested! I forgot to turn off energy saver and I didn't get the beginning of the hockey game so I did this experiment instead. Try it yourself. I kicked off a recording session in VirtualDVHS then navigated to the folder that contains my .m2t files and double clicked the file that was just created 30 seconds ago. I watched 5 minutes of hockey streaming to that file and displayed through VLC all the while my TV was displaying the same thing - 30 seconds further into the game! That's timeshifting baby
post #335 of 2181
Thread Starter 
I stand corrected. I had assumed the file was not accessible since it was still being written to and even if you could read it, it may have caused write permission problems on the recording side. Did you check to see if the recording had any glitches during the time that you were also playing back with VLC? VLC uses heavy CPU cycles so it may have affected the recording during the time you were also running VLC.
post #336 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by Cooknn
You Don't - I'm mean, It Is! Hehe I just tested! I forgot to turn off energy saver and I didn't get the beginning of the hockey game so I did this experiment instead. Try it yourself. I kicked off a recording session in VirtualDVHS then navigated to the folder that contains my .m2t files and double clicked the file that was just created 30 seconds ago. I watched 5 minutes of hockey streaming to that file and displayed through VLC all the while my TV was displaying the same thing - 30 seconds further into the game! That's timeshifting baby

My closest example is recording a movie because my wife had to run an errand. She returned about a half-hour into the movie. While recording, I networked the same file to the PC with the MyHD card. I have done closer, but the playback sometimes ends because the sectors being written and read got too close.
post #337 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by jsb_hburg
Did you try playing the stream with VLC?

Yes, it failed to play.

The error I get from VirtualDVHS is...

MPEG2Transmitter Error: Invalid TS Packet Header!

Maybe I should have Doc1394 take a look at this stream.

-Pie
post #338 of 2181
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by EatingPie
Yes, it failed to play.

The error I get from VirtualDVHS is...

MPEG2Transmitter Error: Invalid TS Packet Header!

Maybe I should have Doc1394 take a look at this stream.

-Pie

I believe FriarWyer indicated this was an underrun error in the AV/C thread. I think a faster hard drive solved this for Joe. I would try defragmenting your drive first.
post #339 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by rcliff
I believe FriarWyer indicated this was an underrun error in the AV/C thread. I think a faster hard drive solved this for Joe. I would try defragmenting your drive first.

I played some files from a channel that glitches thru my MIT MDR-200 which VirtualDVHS reported these errors as overrun errors. These files were recorded on the slower internal drive. An analysis of the file reported a lot of continuity errors. This had nothing to do with CP.
post #340 of 2181
Thread Starter 
Joe, do you think it may have been due to fragmentation? Was this a clean drive or your used boot drive on that machine?
post #341 of 2181
Quote:
MPEG2Transmitter Error: Invalid TS Packet Header!

This error means that the 188-byte ts packet it just read out of the file didn't start with a 0x47 byte-value, which all MPEG2-ts packets must do. Somehow the .m2t file is corrupted, or at least, it has some corrupted packets.
post #342 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by rcliff
Joe, do you think it may have been due to fragmentation? Was this a clean drive or your used boot drive on that machine?

Cliff,

The files were captured from Cinemax which has been exhibiting glitching on my cable system.
post #343 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by rcliff Did you check to see if the recording had any glitches during the time that you were also playing back with VLC? VLC uses heavy CPU cycles so it may have affected the recording during the time you were also running VLC.

No visible glitches during playback while recording. As mentioned previously I've got a G5 Dual 2GHz/1GB DDR SDRAM under the hood to handle the CPU cycles. Does a fine job

Quote:
Originally posted by EatingPie
Yes, it failed to play.

The error I get from VirtualDVHS is...
MPEG2Transmitter Error: Invalid TS Packet Header!
Maybe I should have Doc1394 take a look at this stream.

-Pie

Pie - I just read this post from the Doc' over on the Copy Protection thread. Looks like I'm not alone with 5C on my premium channels...
Quote:
Originally posted by dr1394 (Copy Protection Schemes Thread)
I'd expect that eventually, you'll see 5C on all cable systems. I'm afraid
that the days of being able to record premium and PPV cable channels on
Macs and PC's (and PPV on D-VHS) is numbered.

Actually, it's already ended on this cable system. Uzun had them switch
their premium channels to "Copy Once" so that his JVC 40K D-VHS deck
would work. However, this now prevents another member "EatingPie" from
recording premium channels on his Mac (in fact, he sent me a stream for
analysis that he had captured after the change to "Copy Once", but as
expected, it was 5C scrambled and therefore useless).

[EDIT]
Over on the SA3250 thread Diana from TW posted the MOU requirements for copy protection and it states that Premium and Expanded Basic channels are supposed to be set to Copy Once.

Sounds like maybe I need to reopen the discussion with Comcast...
post #344 of 2181
First of all, This is an amazing thread. I have been considering an HTPC for awhile but have been a Mac convert since OSX (BSD Unix).

I'm going to upgrade my Moto 5100 to 6100 so I can get the Firewire port to the Mac and use all of the great scripts in this thread.

My problem is going to be playback since my plasma has no firewire. What are my options for getting content from Mac to TV? I don't believe the VLC is an option b/c my G4 867 cannot handle playback. I saw one post on the Roku.

Concurrently I'm planning on upgrading my DVD player w/ a DVI connection. The new Momitsu V880N player supports 100Base T Ethernet so I'm thinking I should be able to have the V880N connect to my Mac and stream(?) the VOB?

Keep up the good work guys. This is promising for all of us who have seen the Apple light.
post #345 of 2181
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Cooknn
[EDIT]
Over on the SA3250 thread Diana from TW posted the MOU requirements for copy protection and it states that Premium and Expanded Basic channels are supposed to be set to Copy Once.

Sounds like maybe I need to reopen the discussion with Comcast...

That's bad news! If indeed the premium channels are using 5C copy once protection, the mac won't be able to record them.
post #346 of 2181
Thread Starter 
This is bad news indeed!
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaTWCSC
On September 10, 2003, the FCC unanimously adopted rules implementing the December 2002 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) agreement between major cable operators and major consumer electronics companies. These FCC rules are known colloquially as the "Plug and Play Order".

The MOU contains a requirement to:

Establish copy control settings for high value digital content to prevent unauthorized copying via 1394 devices. The general copy control information that will be set for various types of programming is:

VOD/SVOD - Copy Never
PPV - Copy Never
Premium and Expanded Basic - Copy Once
Over-the -Air, unencrypted content - Copy Freely
__________________
Diana Smith
Director of Marketing for Video Services
Time Warner Cable South Carolina
post #347 of 2181
My current understanding is that if your cable provider opt's to begin using the copy control settings as mine has, even Copy Once will encrypt the data, blocking Mac's (and PC's) from recording. I'm not sure how your DVHS players will fit into this equation though.

I'm not too bad off though. Here's what I can currently record -

All Digital Non-Premium Channels including:
ESPNHD
INHD
INHD2
StarzHD (Shhhh )
NBCHD
ABCHD
PBSHD

Not bad, but I'm not sure I'm gonna drop the $149 for the VGA to Component adapter. I may just save my money and wait for the HD DVR's that are on the horizon.
post #348 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by Cooknn
No visible glitches during playback while recording. As mentioned previously I've got a G5 Dual 2GHz/1GB DDR SDRAM under the hood to handle the CPU cycles. Does a fine job

Pie - I just read this post from the Doc' over on the Copy Protection thread. Looks like I'm not alone with 5C on my premium channels...

[EDIT]
Over on the SA3250 thread Diana from TW posted the MOU requirements for copy protection and it states that Premium and Expanded Basic channels are supposed to be set to Copy Once.

Sounds like maybe I need to reopen the discussion with Comcast...


There is no requirement that premium and expanded basic have 5C descriptors set to copy once. That is, however, the most restrictive level of copy protection allowed for this level of programming under the FCC rules. If the programmers wanted the descriptor to be copy freely then that can be their prerogative as well. OTA must be no restrictive than copy freely. PPV can be copy never.
post #349 of 2181
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Cooknn
I'm not sure how your DVHS players will fit into this equation though.

DVHS players should be 5C aware and handle the copy once to tape once. I know the JVC 40k is not actually working that way with the SA boxes.
post #350 of 2181
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by jsb_hburg
There is no requirement that premium and expanded basic have 5C descriptors set to copy once. That is, however, the most restrictive level of copy protection allowed for this level of programming under the FCC rules. If the programmers wanted the descriptor to be copy freely then that can be their prerogative as well. OTA must be no restrictive than copy freely. PPV can be copy never.

My guess is that it will be a while until this all gets ironed out and copy protection will continue to vary greatly between providers and among equipment with the same provider. Hopefully older legacy boxes will continue to work indefinitely. It will be a real shame if this isn't the case. All we're try to do is timeshift for personal viewing. This is a real blow to the individual consumer and only serves to benefit the MPAA and other industry heavyweights.
post #351 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by g_love_surf
... My problem is going to be playback since my plasma has no firewire. What are my options for getting content from Mac to TV? I don't believe the VLC is an option b/c my G4 867 cannot handle playback. I saw one post on the Roku...

I wouldn't quite dismiss your chances of using VLC. Make certain you are using at least version 7.1. On a G4 Mac running at 450 MHz I can almost play a 1280 x 720 stream (ie 720p). It drops frames but it clearly close to sufficient. This has not been the case with earlier versions of VLC.

On the other hand I have heard good reports about using Roku. I guess you still use VLC but set the advanced output options in the open dialog to stream using http and MPEG TS for encapsulation. If the $300 is not a problem or you don't want your Mac particularly close to your screen, then the Roku option looks quite attractive.
post #352 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by rcliff
All we're try to do is timeshift for personal viewing. This is a real blow to the individual consumer and only serves to benefit the MPAA and other industry heavyweights.

Let's just hope that behind the scenes Steve and the boys at Apple are working on something great. Something that will be so cool that we'll be able watch what we want, when we want. In SD or HD. Sort of an iPod for the TV - connected to an iTunes type Movie store. I have high hopes. If they're not already working on it, it's too late IMHO. I hope they are
post #353 of 2181
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Cooknn
Let's just hope that behind the scenes Steve and the boys at Apple are working on something great. Something that will be so cool that we'll be able watch what we want, when we want. In SD or HD. Sort of an iPod for the TV - connected to an iTunes type Movie store. I have high hopes. If they're not already working on it, it's too late IMHO. I hope they are

Steve has made it very clear that they're not going in that direction. He doesn't see any crossover between the Mac as a PC and DVR's and stated that there's a small niche market for this only. Now that doesn't mean they're not developing some type of dedicated DVR based on a stripped down MacOS X box. Now that would be cool and there's definitely a market there.
post #354 of 2181
My interpretation of what Steve said was that people don't want to watch TV on their computer. I agree with you that a Mac or a PC should not be the DVR, but I do not believe that Apple is sitting on their tails with regard to the pending VOD boom. It will drastically change the way we all spend our entertainment time - as well as totally shake the advertising world as they scramble to figure out how to reach their target demographic when everyone can skip past commercials with their DVR's. Companies like Seachange and Concurrent are pushing Ad Insertion as a method for cable provided VOD, but I wonder how that will shake out.

As far as an iPod-like device for the TV - it could be a revolutionary DVR. Apple never does anything that isn't cool do they? I'm just hoping they surprise us
post #355 of 2181
Hello,

For stuff that is still copy freely, here is the Xcode project to make tweaks for your local channel lineup. Hopefully, there will be a 5C compliant FireWire card. I do not like tape!

Also, I hope someone else is preparing better interface. I consider this an interim solution. See this page for info on how to tweak the channels for your area.
post #356 of 2181
Just wanted to confirm with y'all that after discovering the 1394 Information Menu on my SA3250HD I found the following information regarding copy protection:

As suspected all channels are "free" except for HBO, Cinemax and Showtime which are "once" in fields EMI and CCI. Lucky me - Starz is still "free" They've got some decent flicks! I guess I better archive while I have the chance eh?

Question: Now that I can record movies on Starz I may opt to buy that VGA to Component adapter. How do I get sound to my TV though?
post #357 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by Killroy
Help me out here...but wouldn't "copy once" mean that you can record any show "one" time but you can't make copies of that recording????

Makes sense doesn't it...

Not for PC's and Mac's. Anything but "free" means it's encrypted and the device on the other end needs to have the key. Case closed for me.
post #358 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by Cooknn
How do I get sound to my TV though?

It depends on your sound card. You should have an output that would ordinarily go to desktop speakers. Get a Y cable for regular analog audio using that output. I recall that SPDIF doesn't work with vlc 0.7.1a on a G5.
post #359 of 2181
Get your hacker buddies on it, because TWC has turned on Copy Once for every channel (except broadcast). This has ended my Mac HD recording days! *sniff*

PM me when they have it, and I'll throw in a 6 pack!!

-Pie

PS. A 12 Pack!!!

PPS OMG Star Trek V is an emberassingly bad movie!!!
post #360 of 2181
Quote:
Originally posted by Killroy
Heheheheeh...key...how long do you think it will take my hacker buddies to figure out that key??? It took a 16 year-old-kid less than 9 months to figure out CSS....

I will buy the beer to the first one...LOL!!!!

Well, comparing DTCP to CSS is like comparing a Porche to a Yugo. I'm not going to go so far as saying that it's "unbreakable," (nothing is) but it's WAY more sophisticated than CSS.

Also, the "key" that is being referred to is a digital certificate, including a public/private keypair. These certificates can be revoked. So if it's discovered that someone's device was compromised (or is being used for illegal purposes), its certificate could be revoked. CSS had no practical mechanism for dealing with compromised keys.
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