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post #61 of 3499
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Hey guys. I started this thread because I wanted more HD in Erie. I have been in the media community for 30 years and some of you may recognize my name. I wrote many of you (maybe some twice by accident) to write the Erie Times. we need to create awareness about the problem or we will all be left behind. No commercial Erie station is broadcasting any network affilate HD broadcasts. Period. That is expected to stay that way since only two corporattions control the 4 commercial TV channels. You might also consider writing Tom New At WQLN and thanking him for the PBS HD channel. PBS has recently been charging them ore to carry it and it might be enough for them to opt out. let's not make that happen. If you contribute to WQLN, make sure to tell them it is for the HD channel.

just sent the following letter to the Erie times about 2 weeks ago. It has not been published. If you agree with me, you might consider also writing to get more focus on the issue locally.


Dear Editor,


When it comes to new consumer technology, Erie is again taking a back seat to the rest of the America. How many consumers realize that when you are watching the local commercial channels and a program says that it is In High Definition Where Available, that the translation means everywhere but Erie. The Erie consumers are being left in the dark thanks to either a collaborative effort of the Erie commercial TV stations and the Erie Times-News or the journalistic ignorance on the part of the latter.

In about 18 months, current law says that the analog channels, (12, 24, 35, 54 and 66) all have to go bye-bye in favor of their digital counterparts, (52, 58, 16, 50 and 22). All these digital channels are currently on the air except WSEE (D16) with a minimal digital non-high definition signal. Pardon me. WQLN channel 50 broadcasts 24/7 High Definition thanks to the American taxpayer. That's one way we are getting value for our tax dollar. Yet looking at the TV schedules or the editorial pages of the Erie-Times you would never know this or that an analog deadline is approaching. Consumers are buying High Definition receivers in record numbers because of its life-like quality and being put right into the action of the Masters or the Super Bowl.
Has the Times-News warned consumers that if you are buying one of the older analog only sets that you might be throwing your good money down the drain or what the alternatives congress is exploring to ease the pain to consumers? This is a big story that is being intentionally ignored. The commercial TV stations will tell you that the digital-High Definition investment is substantial and they are correct. However, nobody told the two corporations that control all local commercial television that they had to intentionally buy these stations at inflated prices knowing, in advance, that a digital transition was going to be mandated.

The CBS network prides itself on the number of hours of High Definition programming it offers its viewers. A CBS executive at the recent Consumer Electronics Association Awards presentation this past March boasted that their affiliates now offer CBS High Definition to 98% of America. Guess who is included in the last 2%?

Jack Tirak 814-868-1589

I added DISH nework so I have 14 channels of HD and have requested waivers for CBS HD New York but WSEE says f*ck me.

Write the paper . if we all do it we might make something happen. To this day none of the local stations have any plans to be able to carry their networks in HD.
post #62 of 3499
I can't imagine the additional cost to pass network HD along is that great compared to the orginal cost of going digital in the first place.
AFAIK, the cost of the HD receiver is placed on the network anyway, so one would assume the Erie marketplace is not towards the top of their priorities.

Here, the ABC affiilate was the last to pass network HD just as they were the last to pass MTS. WKBW had to wait for ABC to send them the HD receiver.
post #63 of 3499
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

I can't imagine the additional cost to pass network HD along is that great compared to the orginal cost of going digital in the first place.

Actually it is. it requires more bandwith and for a stations that is only doing 480P going 720P or 1080I even to pass network is a large expense initially. They have to have a full digital path to the transmitter and thru their switcher. you are talking a lot of new equipment neede just to pass network. Those digital transmitters they have initially bought were stop gapand were built for SD. They were never meant to handle HD. so they will need all new transmitters. Sounds like a waste of money to do it twice... and it is....but that is Erie. Penny wise and pound foolish.
post #64 of 3499
videobruce,

I grew up in WNY so I check the Erie and Buffalo threads every now and then. I remember when WKBW came on the air about 1960. It was great because prior to that, WGR (WGRZ) and WBEN (WIVB) shared the three major networks between them, so there was always some program you couldn't get. We did use WICU out of Erie as a backup if we could. I believe it was NBC at the time.

Regarding your comment about WKBW, I believe they are having some financial difficulties if their application history as posted on the FCC web site is any indication.

I also remember growing up in WNY that the 4th of July was the beginning of the 3 week summer period! Just kidding!
post #65 of 3499
Record setting 90 degree days................can't wait for winter!
Three weeks is too long!

WKBW only passed simulated stereo for YEARS after they got their stereo encoder. I strongly doubt 99% of the viewers knew this! Yea, it lit the MTS lit, but what a major fraud they pulled off for all those years.
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Those digital transmitters they have initially bought were stop gapand were built for SD. They were never meant to handle HD. so they will need all new transmitters.

I'm at a loss here. The bandwidth of a NTSC and ATSC channel is the same. Why/how can there be a difference between xmitters?
Most xmitter sites have the d/l dish and the network signal only has to go from there back up to the xmitter. It doesn't have to go through the TSL/STL (xmitter to studio & studio to xmitter) since they don't orginate any material AFAIK.
post #66 of 3499
Has anyone done any research to find out how many other cities about this size are in the same situation as we are? I can't believe there are very many, but I'd be curious to see the numbers or statistics. Unfortunately for us, we are also 'just' far enough away from PIT/CLE/BUF that we can't recieve them.

I think it's even worse that our same local stations will deny any satellite waivers as perhaps a compromise.
post #67 of 3499
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Record setting 90 degree days................can't wait for winter!
Three weeks is too long!

Most xmitter sites have the d/l dish and the network signal only has to go from there back up to the xmitter. It doesn't have to go through the TSL/STL (xmitter to studio & studio to xmitter) since they don't orginate any material AFAIK.


There is a big difference. You fortet the the local station has to insert commercials, station brakes , weather alerts into that stream. therefore it has to go into the studio...just like the analogue currently does to the master switcher. and that all has to be replaced. Those current switchers are analog. They have to be digital as well. InErie, the stations arn't sending the netowork digital signal to the transmiter. They are taking the analog signal and converting it to digital. So it is not pure by any means. HD has more information than SD.
post #68 of 3499
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bump...looking for Erie response. This is importan if you want to see HD in Erie grow
post #69 of 3499
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Originally Posted by kdogg View Post

For Erie Adelphia subsricbers, we finally got a new HD station. Well, it's actually been around, but finally available to non-HD tuner sets. I noticed PBS-HD was added to the guide as channel 705 last night (June 29th). Nothing great, but hopefully it's good sign for future channels to come.

It would be nice if they would populate program data to the guide for this channel.

Its nice to have 4 channels now, but my experience with the channels have been mixed. 3-4 video/audio dropouts/ hour on Hdnet and HDnet movies, these can last anywhere from 3-10 secs which becomes quite anoying.

ESPNHD doesnt seem to suffer from this problem but is even more annoying...for some reason our local adelphia seems to blackout some baseball games for no apparent reason. Even though theres no blackout message on screen the screen goes blank at the start of the game and comes back when game is scheduled to end. This seems to always to occur with Yankees games.

Ive given up trying to contact adelphia about this, because when you call them they have you go through rebooting your IRD and they dont have a clue why their local office wouldnt be feeding the signal or be blacking out the Yankees in our area.
post #70 of 3499
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If you want real HD switch to DISH Network. 14 channels vs. 4. 4 come one that really sucks.
post #71 of 3499
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ESPNHD doesnt seem to suffer from this problem but is even more annoying...for some reason our local adelphia seems to blackout some baseball games for no apparent reason. Even though theres no blackout message on screen the screen goes blank at the start of the game and comes back when game is scheduled to end. This seems to always to occur with Yankees games

.

I have experienced the same blackout with several games...not sure if they have all involved the Yankees. I thought the dropouts that I was receiving from HDNET were because of a weak signal strength at my box {-15 }. As far as the PBSHD channel, it's my opinon that some of the shows such as Smart Travels and Tracks Ahead have very good PQ, while alot of the other shows are so-so. The same seems true with HDNET and HDNET movies... some shows look great, others not so great.
post #72 of 3499
It's no surprise that the Erie market commercial TV stations haven't gone HD yet...the Erie TV market has pretty much stunk for decades. I'm nearly surprised they're broadcasting in color.

I wonder if it'd be the easiest for WFXP Fox 66 to go HD? Fox's splicer is pretty straightforward and easy, from what I hear, and would likely require the least fuss and muss to get on the air. I've heard that it allows many small market Fox affiliates to go HD much easier than other methods.
post #73 of 3499
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You are right that it would be easier for WFXP to go HD because FOX is supplying them with most of the equipment for free. However, they are ruled by their corp office in Scranton and none of their sister stations who are affiliated with other networks will go HD. Corporate policya t the moment and I got that direct from the GM.

Has anyone followed my lead and written a letter to the editor? If you want the local stations to go HD, you will have to ask and fight for it. Nobody will do it. I have spoken to all the stations and it is the chicken or the egg syndrom. They will not add HD because there is not demand for it or enough sets in the area. There are not enough sets in the area because there is no HD except WQLN and you could be in danger of loosing that too.

Won't anyone join me in writing the Erie Times? Anyone else have B*lls?

Jack Tirak 868-1589 gut48@yahoo.com
post #74 of 3499
I'm not writing, because I don't live in the market...sorry. I have no "standing" there. (Well, I do have some friends up there, but as far as I know they don't have HD equipment yet)

And now we know why they call that company "DeathStar".
post #75 of 3499
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

And now we know why they call that company "DeathStar".

That is the perfect name too. I have to remember that.
post #76 of 3499
Thread Starter 
Hey guys. don't Complain about the lack of HDTV in Erie if you are not prepared to fight for it . The only way to do that is to write the Times. They have no clue on what is going on or how backward Erie TV has become.

Jack Tirak
gut48@yahoo.com
868-1589
post #77 of 3499
I'm willing to jump in a bit here as don't think anything will happen without us, and I don't feel like waiting until 2015.

Jack, I'm grateful for your efforts and since you've been on the case for quite some time, could you provide me with the list of contacts that need to be reached by the general public to influence the networks and/or city about this?

The thought I had was to possibly create a simple but professional educational info/flyer that we could distribute to the local B&M stores that sell Hi-def TVs. I think you mentioned that the networks don't think there is a market, and there is no market because there is no content. Broadcasting of HD around here would only increase HD-TV sales so I can't imagine that most of the stores would not go along with this at least to some level. Have them hand them out to all buyers or something...

Also not sure of the process/cost of just inserting something like that into the paper. I might be willing to chip in a bit for some advertising if I knew we had a chance to make a difference.

Education at the B&M stores is critical too. Almost every TV sales person that I've talked to did not understand what HD was let alone try to explain about the situation here in Erie.

Thanks again for your efforts...
-Howard
post #78 of 3499
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[by contacts.. I can get you the names at the newspaper but jsut writing a letter to the editor per the instructions in the paper will help. also 'Dave Richards who does the media reporting or Jeff Penski who is thedaily editor will help. The paper is at fault as much as the stations in my opiniion. If you wish you can send me where your live via email and give my your phone number. I woujld not mind meeting. also would like to see what youhave in HD. gut48@yahoo.com or call 868-1589,. Hope we can work together and get more. By the way your are dead on about the knowlege of the B&M sales people. it is a same. when color came out We had our first set in `1958) they knew a lot more and you had WICU leading they way with network Color.


QUOTE=Hov]I'm willing to jump in a bit here as don't think anything will happen without us, and I don't feel like waiting until 2015.

Jack, I'm grateful for your efforts and since you've been on the case for quite some time, could you provide me with the list of contacts that need to be reached by the general public to influence the networks and/or city about this?

The thought I had was to possibly create a simple but professional educational info/flyer that we could distribute to the local B&M stores that sell Hi-def TVs. I think you mentioned that the networks don't think there is a market, and there is no market because there is no content. Broadcasting of HD around here would only increase HD-TV sales so I can't imagine that most of the stores would not go along with this at least to some level. Have them hand them out to all buyers or something...

Also not sure of the process/cost of just inserting something like that into the paper. I might be willing to chip in a bit for some advertising if I knew we had a chance to make a difference.

Education at the B&M stores is critical too. Almost every TV sales person that I've talked to did not understand what HD was let alone try to explain about the situation here in Erie.

Thanks again for your efforts...
-Howard[/quote]
post #79 of 3499
Hi, Jack !

Long time no talk to. I see that you are a little upset. Well good for you! Personally, I realy get upset with the lack of customer service these days. Give me some time....Hummm. BTW, what is the mapped channel number for this pbs hd station. I use the 54.1 etc, and I guess I don't understand why this is the case. Will be a talkin.


Gregg
post #80 of 3499
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Greg, feel free to call or write me. WQLN PBS HD channel number is an actual channel 50. But the data stream on it converts it so that it reads 54.1 on your tuner. You can still punch up channel 50 and you will get it or 54 but you will have to move forward by one to get 54.1. I hope that answers what you were asking.

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Originally Posted by gharris View Post

Hi, Jack !

Long time no talk to. I see that you are a little upset. Well good for you! Personally, I realy get upset with the lack of customer service these days. Give me some time....Hummm. BTW, what is the mapped channel number for this pbs hd station. I use the 54.1 etc, and I guess I don't understand why this is the case. Will be a talkin.


Gregg
post #81 of 3499
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Just a little bump to get keep attention and encourage others to write the newspaper about the lack of HD in Erie.
post #82 of 3499
Good news for Erie's Nexstar owned stations?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post5961387

Here's the full article:

http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/ebj/...952868,00.html

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Evansville's two other broadcast stations, WTVW (FOX) and WAZE (WB), have plans to offer HDTV broadcasts in the coming months.

WTVW's parent company, Nexstar Broadcasting, is in the process of a multi-year plan to convert its 46 stations to the new format, general manager John Satterfield said. Work on converting the Evansville Fox affiliate is likely to begin in early 2006, he said.

Satterfield said he receives calls and e-mails on a weekly basis from viewers asking about the station's conversion to HDTV.

"The worst case scenario is we'll have it by July 1, 2006," Satterfield said. "I'll do everything I can to move that up."

Now, there may be some confusion here, as it sounds from the article like these stations are talking about going digital...but the article very specifically talks about HDTV, so who knows?
post #83 of 3499
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That would be great if it were all true. I have spoken to the WJET/WFXP manager and he assures me that HDTV is in the future. Is that 6 months? 1 year or 5 years? I run into him from time to time so I will mention the above story and ask. It is a corporate policy. In the meantime I asked for a waiver from WSEE (CBS affilate) and this is what I got.

Mr Tirak,



Corporate policy prevents me from granting waivers.



Regards,



Dan Nungesser

Chief Engineer

WSEE TV

1220 Peach St

Erie, PA 16501



Tel: 814-455-7575 ext 306 Cell: 814-449-1324 Fax: 814-454-2564



-----Original Message-----
From: John Tirak [
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:12 PM
To: Dan.Nungesser@35wsee.com
Subject: CBS HD Waiver



Since WSEE is currently not able to offer a HD feed of CBS programming to the area, I would like to apply for a waiver to request CBS HD from DISH Network. Once, WSEE becomes HD capable, I would understandably relinquish this waiver in favor of a WSEE HD feed.


Jack Tirak
350 Glenridge Road
Erie, PA 16509
post #84 of 3499
I just made the switch from Adelphia to Dish...more HD offerings and better quality for less than I was paying before. Wish I didn't wait so long!
post #85 of 3499
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I guess the Erie TV stations are right. Erie doesn't care about HDTV because nobody is willing to fight for it. I have sent independent letters to many here who have HDTV and only one reply. I guess we deserve what we don't get.
post #86 of 3499
Howdy, I just discovered this forum and read the years worth of posts regarding Erie HDTV. I bought a Samsung OTA tuner about 4 months ago. Works great for WQLN-DT, WFXP-DT and WJET-DT. I live in the Frontier area and had to add a signal amplifier to improve the signal for WJET. Can't pick up WICU-DT and have had some e-mail discussions with WSEE's Dan Nungasser about their schedule (SD only by July '06 as of June this year when I talked to him)

Has anyone noticed that the sound on WQLN is missing (or very low level) a center channel compared to the other stations? Seems to be a few decibels less than the other stations.

Thanks, George
post #87 of 3499
I am picking up digital channels out of Ohio that are broadcasting (sometimes) in HD. Just got a Hitachi 50VS810 w/ built-in tuner. I have Ant1 connected to the cable line (Time Warner.) I am physically located near 12th and State. Am picking up ABC on 5-1, Fox on 8-1 and some others 19-1, 43-1, 80-1 are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
post #88 of 3499
I am picking up digital channels out of Ohio that are broadcasting (sometimes) in HD. Just got a Hitachi 50VS810 w/ built-in tuner. I have Ant1 connected to the cable line (Time Warner.) I am physically located near 12th and State. Am picking up ABC on 5-1, Fox on 8-1 and some others 19-1, 43-1, 80-1 are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.


What type of an antenna are you using.
Thanks!
post #89 of 3499
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What type of an antenna are you using.

I'm not. I'm only plugged into the cable line.
post #90 of 3499
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I repeat. All you new HD owners shoudl write the Time-News and demand your HD TV in Erie from all the commercials stations. You are being screwed. 98% of the US can see CBS's CSI in HD, Erie cannot. According the stations, you don't really care so why should they.
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