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post #151 of 1439
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Here it is after being cut to 92" and temporarily framed (cut to 83x48, with a 1.5 inch slot in the wooden framing). This is a temp frame, which I plan to cover with black velveteen (or cheap equivalent) I'll be buying tonight.

NOTE: The frame is a "slapco" frame. Slpped together quickly to get it up and mounted flat. This took out the bowing that was evident when unframed.
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post #152 of 1439
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Here it is, in total light control. I watched Start TRek II: Wrath of Kahn on it last night. One word, IN-$%#$%-CREDIBLE!!!!

Take that Kahn!!
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post #153 of 1439
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Fire!!!!
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post #154 of 1439
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Remember.......

NOTE: This is a good example of both facial tones alongside deep blacks. This image represents what I saw on the screen almost to a "T".
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post #155 of 1439
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And for a comparison to older shots, the girl we all shudder to see, Little Darla
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post #156 of 1439
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Hope that gives a bit of an idea of what a simple, $10.00 can of paint can do on a piece of GatorFoam board. All totaled, $40.00 screen (used scrap wood for framing).

I'm tempted to try this as the topcoat for a new LF variation....

hmmmmm....
post #157 of 1439
Bcortez, your kickin' some serious Mfg screen ass here!

Do you need a second job?

I'd say, without a doubt, that SS has effectively dethroned ME as the definitive 1-coater application.

Now, for the critiquing. Colors seem very exacting, but lack the punch Of LF. You might just have talked me into doing what you candidly suggested, apply it to an upcoming LF in Chicago.

Now, do ya think ya want to try a layer of Opticoat on it as well......................?

Naw!
post #158 of 1439
Those Star Trek pics pretty accurately show the same great bright colors that my SS painted insulation board screens have. Anyone that has come up to me asking about them is completely blown away at the fact that I was able to build 2 120" screens that look that good for only $150 total. It was thanks to your suggestion in the begining to use the SS that made me deside to go with it..... Well done!
post #159 of 1439
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Before someone comments on the validity of the images I've posted, the only manipulation was resizing to 640x480 to comply with AVSForum rules. There was no croppping (as evidenced by the extraneous "stuff" in the images), or color/brightness/contrast shifting. As they say in my industry, WYSIWYG.

And to MM, I'm just a software engineer, not a painter. I'm just winging-it in classic DIY style. Which I encourage all those "what if you..." people to embrace. Try it yourself, if you fail, that's not a bad thing. Post your results anyway. We all learn from our mistakes, remember, that's a good thing.


Our culture (here in the U.S.) is so hell bent on not failing, that we obsess over it. Some people will cheat and steal beofre admiotting failure. When did failing, and LEARNING from that failure become so damned bad?!?!?
post #160 of 1439
Corner of HT, notice the grill is painted UPW.
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post #161 of 1439
Total light control.
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post #162 of 1439
Nemo again. I need to take some other cool shots.
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post #163 of 1439
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These look good. I'd like to see a post of Darla tapping on the glass. That one seems to be a good comparison shot that many post.

Also:

What's did you use as the base to paint the screen (e.g. I used white GatorFoam)?

What projector are you using?

What is the viewing distance?

What are the screen dimensions?
post #164 of 1439
Is the viewing cone as wide with the SS as with the plain gatorboard? I currently have a Parkland screen I'm using with my new IF 4805. The image is so bright that I know it would benefit from a gray/silver screen.

I tried a piece of grayish silver vinyl. From straight on, the image is fantastic, but the key with the vinyl is that you have to be straight on. If you move off to the side, the image got totally dark. I had the swatch of vinyl draped over my Pakland screen, and the Parkland's image didn't suffer no matter how far off center I was.

I'm hoping to paint the Parkland with the SS if the viewing cone is wide enough.

I look forward to any feedback from someone that can give a firsthand report.

Thanks, Mark
post #165 of 1439
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Originally posted by mbroder
Is the viewing cone as wide with the SS as with the plain gatorboard? I currently have a Parkland screen I'm using with my new IF 4805. The image is so bright that I know it would benefit from a gray/silver screen.

I'm hoping to paint the Parkland with the SS if the viewing cone is wide enough.

I look forward to any feedback from someone that can give a firsthand report.

Thanks, Mark

That's a great PJ you have. Whadca giv'em fer it? I'm hopin' ta try one of 'em out real soon on a LF &/or a FSLF. But silverScreen is a great $30.00 altenative (paint & Parkland) to say.....$150.00 to $300.00 for LF to FSLF. I'm with ya. Go get em'.

Oh...BTW. Viewing cone of SS is very wide on masonite, so I'm bettin' you'll find almost NO difference on the Parkland.

..and of course, we WILL expect screenies.
post #166 of 1439
I was one the first to get it from C******

To be honest, for alot of the material I've seen so far, my dark taupe colored wall puts out a more satisfying image . The plain Parkland looks great with sports, but for movies ( at least the kind of movies I watch), I definitely think the SS screen will be a big improvement. Maybe I'll get some time next Sunday to give it a try.

By the way, the 4805 is absolutly amazing.
post #167 of 1439
This is oh so very interesting.

I was away from this forum for several weeks and never knew of this thread. Just seeing it today for the first time.

One of the reasons I find it interesting is that I reported on the availability of Behr Silver Screen paint on December 31st, 2003 in this forum. Thereby preceding this thread by a good 3+ months.

However I wasn't very enamored of it. It is called "Silver Screen" but that is all marketing, based upon the color reminding one of a movie screen. It actually has no silver in it (unlike Behr's Silver Metallic which is a very different kind of paint). SS is a mixture of Lamp Black, Raw Umber, and Red colors. The formula for a gallon of SS is as follows:

1 gallon white base
20/48ths of Lamp Black
20/48ths of Raw Umber (a dark, murky yellow/orange-based pigment)
2/48ths of Red

This is the same amount of Lamp Black as found in Misty Evening, however the addition of an equal amount of Raw Umber results in this paint being darker than ME.

Obviously this is not a color-neutral paint. Essentially this is what would be classified as a "warm gray." A gray paint with warm colors added in so that it is more "cheerful" when used as an interior wall paint. If projected upon, all whites and colors would shift toward yellow/orange temperatures. Since Raw Umber is a very muted form of yellow/orange - it looks kinda brownish - this shift would not be dramatic, but it would be there. Note that over half of the tint being added to SS is not color-neutral.

If you were using a projector that has the infamous "red-push" or is a bit on the warm side of color temps, then using SS would make these effects more prominent. However if your projector leaned a bit towards blue, this might be an interesting way to balance it. Of course, if someone likes the overall effect of warmer colors then they may like it a lot.

To my eyes, SS is pretty dark to use on a projection screen. Between all of the Lamp Black and Raw Umber, it has got to be cutting down on the gain by several percent. If someone liked the general warm color effect but found it a bit too dark and/or too warm, you could ask your paint store to mix up a lighter version of it. Like say:

Lamp Black 0 16 0 (0 ounces, 16/48ths, 0/96ths)
Raw Umber 0 8 0 (or 0 12 0)

And you'd have to decide if you wanted to leave in the red.

Divide the numbers above by 4 to mix a quart. If you leave the red in and mix a quart, you would add only 1/96th of Red (0 0 1 in paint speak).
post #168 of 1439
Oh, the viewing cone for SS would be the same as for any standard-tint latex paint. There are no unique reflective properties at play here. So flat white, gray, SS, ME, Folkstone, whatever ... all the same viewing cone.
post #169 of 1439
ie, bcortez and ridetheducati,

Looks as though your screenies are coming along rather swimmingly.)pun intended) bcortez, you requested 'finger taping Darla'. She's on my other computer. Will "Nemo and friends" do?

Time to take a bow...both of you.

Here's my Nemo entry:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...980&fullpage=1
post #170 of 1439
Just so nobody gets in a twist and gets upset because my 'nemo' screenie was on light fusion, here's the same scene on Misty Evening. Seems to me LCD and CGI make a nice combo on just about any screen solution.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...961&fullpage=1
post #171 of 1439
I posted in another thread but I wanted to add it here. Got my 8'x6' screen built and painted with Silverscreen. Fantastic!!! I had to recalibrate my PJ but that was easy. I found that reducing by 50% with a 50/50 water/Flotrol mix made it come out of the gun like automotive paint. I worked in three foot sections and back rolled it with a dry 3/8" roller. A light sanding between coats with the last coat left unsanded made for a surface that was comparable to any professional screen I've seen (not many). I may play with some different variations later but for the now I am quite pleased. So thank you BCortez and MississippiMan for all of your "most excellent" help. Both direct and indirect.
With warm regards,
John
post #172 of 1439
Here's that friggin tank pokin' Darla. You'll have to settle for her on ME because I can't find the light fusion one.

bcortez, this one's for you.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...004&fullpage=1

PS: MM if you study this image you'll see the tell tale orange fringe you suspect is a by-product of my LFS. Not a chance. This one was taken on my ME screen...long before light fusion came on the scene. One more reason Z1's don't have 50-HD price tags.
post #173 of 1439
but, I found her. Darla on light fusion:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...414&fullpage=1
post #174 of 1439
Darla...on silver.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...389&fullpage=1

My take: Every screen solution presented on this thread is a viable one. There's plenty of excellent DIY ability on AVS. Members need not spend a fortune to enjoy good HT. $10.00 worth of silverscreen or $7.00 for ME will make all but the fussiest happy.
post #175 of 1439
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Originally posted by Tom_Bombadil
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One of the reasons I find it interesting is that I reported on the availability of Behr Silver Screen paint on December 31st, 2003 in this forum. Thereby preceding this thread by a good 3+ months.
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However I wasn't very enamored of it. It is called "Silver Screen" but that is all marketing, based upon the color reminding one of a movie screen. It actually has no silver in it (unlike Behr's Silver Metallic which is a very different kind of paint).

Tom, with all due respect, did you actually try it, or is this a hypothesis on your part? Many here have lots of knowledgable opinion, hypothesis, and questions, but until you actually try something, it's all academic, wouldn't you agree? I embrace the true definition of DIY, with emphasis on the D.

If you tried it, can we see some screenies or a picture of the screen? This would help determine why you are not enamoured of it. I am happy to have a temporary screen, for under $50.00, that will suffice until I can make an LF screen this summer.

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SS is a mixture of Lamp Black, Raw Umber, and Red colors. The formula for a gallon of SS is as follows:

1 gallon white base
20/48ths of Lamp Black
20/48ths of Raw Umber (a dark, murky yellow/orange-based pigment)
2/48ths of Red

This is the same amount of Lamp Black as found in Misty Evening, however the addition of an equal amount of Raw Umber results in this paint being darker than ME.

Thanks for the formula. How did you get it? Did you have the paint anaylzed or something? Honestly, I am curious (no digs intended).

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Obviously this is not a color-neutral paint.

I never claimed it was. All I did was look at the swatches, find one that seemed closest to Misty Evening (which was not available for me), spent the $10.00, and rolled away. I figured, if it didn't work, I'm out $10.00 and an afternoon's time. But I gained knowledge and experience to share here.

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To my eyes, SS is pretty dark to use on a projection screen. Between all of the Lamp Black and Raw Umber, it has got to be cutting down on the gain by several percent.

As I said in the opening post, I was using a plain piece of GatorFoam, the hotspotting was unbearable, compared to that Behr SS is a 1000% improvement for a minimal investment. That's a winner in my book. Hell, I'm not a chemist, never claimed to be, just a videophile that enjoys DIY and experimenting.
post #176 of 1439
SS applied to drywall with 3 coats of Kilz, 1st and 2nd coat was wet sanded.

Z2 version 1.06
106" diag viewed from 10 feet.
post #177 of 1439
Sup Yo, I used this paint on my wall. It was the bomb
post #178 of 1439
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Originally posted by ridetheducati
SS applied to drywall with 3 coats of Kilz, 1st and 2nd coat was wet sanded.

Z2 version 1.06
106" diag viewed from 10 feet.

Screenie? Get off that Road Rocket and post a Pic!



Bcortez,

Tom probably did try it, but often, a particular mix can come out decidedly different depending on who mixes it. It shouldn't happen that way, because of HD's computer augmented system, but it does. That's why you HAVE to look at the mix, and view a DRIED swatch of color on a Stir Stick to the card to assure yourself of a match.

Did Tom do this? I don't know, but I'd guess yes 'cause he's no dummy.

Then, the PJ, and it's attributes or deficiencies will dictate how well it can do with SS, or any other "non-neutral" surface.

Then, there is personal preference. I've seen it. Dozens saw it at the Shoot-out and liked it. more that a few on this thread have tried it and are "enamored" of it. (Sheesh! Let's ALL get "Warm & Fuzzy" now! )

So I wouldn't worry too much about any one person's opinion. Tom is fair, and usually measured in his posting of comments & criticisms, but he is in the minority here.

So........,, fergitabowdit!
post #179 of 1439
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Originally posted by JoeBrown
Sup Yo, I used this paint on my wall. It was the bomb

Yo , Wassup wit da slip? ? It's Da Bomb!
post #180 of 1439
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Hey MM,

Like I said, I wasn't tryin to 'dis anyone, just asking the basic questions. So, there was nuttin to fergit.

One of the aspects I liked about the Behr SS (aside from the low cost) is that it's not a bad color if you had to do a whole wall. I mean, if you wanted a wall covering that you could also use as a projection surface, it's definitely in the running. It would "go" with any "decor" sicne its a sorta neutral grey. In that respect it has a high WAF ratio compared to other solutions.

Man, no more of that home improvement channel for me for a while. I gotta go, as comedian Eddie Izzard says, "saw a piece of wood in half", to kick up that testosterone level a few notches
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