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Originally posted by mandarax
MississippiMan..
You make some serious allegations. My company hosts this event and invests several thousand dollars in it therefore you call into question its integrity and credibility with these allegations, and false statements.
You make the following statements.
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Incredible.
Guys, despite all the glowing initial reports, Rob states the SS came in at the bottom of the pile. Strange results that don't reflect the first comments posted by several very knowledgeable individuals, or the plaudits it received in person at the show. Something doesn't add up. From what I saw, and what others
I thought it was stated that an independent company was taking the results and doing the tabulation, but it seems it was really all just done by Rob. A PDF with the results listed as verified by the accountant and on his own letterhead would go much farther in convincing me and now quite a few others that there isn't some skewing of the results going on to satisfy another's agenda.
Hey that's probably not the case anyway, but when posted results fly in the face of popular comments, it does bring of a question of validity.
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These are very serious accusations.
First lets deal with your claim.. starting with..
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Strange results that don't reflect the first comments posted by several very knowledgeable individuals,
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Where are these posts? other than yours of course. that give you the right to make such a statement.
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<<<<Some were on the original Shoot Out Thread, which you have had closed. A few exist from attendees on this thread as well. Also, my comments had root in many likewise comments at the Shoot Out it'self. And to make a point, no where have I complained about the results that involved LF. Not one mention of LF has been made, excepting by yourself and others who support your position. Instead, I called into question results posted about a simple paint solution that experienced quite a lot of favorable reactions live, but then placed dead last when results were published. At no time did I make or plead a case about LF. The SilverScreen solution is completely and entirely a dirt cheap DIY solution that was offered up by me for all to experience, and in as much offers no possibility that I would ever benefit from or expect financial gain from anybody excepting those of my own private clients, who have no knowledge of, or express wish to ever frequent this forum. And said comments were posted on this, a very obscure thread, and not on your own SO thread. It's all pretty much a case of your grandstanding to press a point. >>>>>>>>
You suggest that I am unreliable... or not trust worthy. Please advise!!.. this is a public forum
<<<<< As a Business who deals in such products as were shown, and by holding such an event, and then posting results publicly for comment, without complying with the previously stated conditions that you yourself said, you yourself must accept that others will have the right to question the results. They have that right regardless and without fear of being intimidated, such as your words have been attempting toward me. Nothing in my comments went so far as to directly accuse you or your Company of deceit or misrepresentation. A viewpoint questioning the process and results is not slanderous, and your reaction thus far has been wholly disproportionate to the circumstances. Other factors are in play that fuel your ire, but they are of a personal nature and do not belong on the Forum.
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You suggest that the results are not adequate without the an audit with an accounting firm.. Please advise!!
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<<< On the Original SO Thread, you plainly stated that such a Firm was in fact going to do the tabulation of results. Since then, you have related to me that it was Sharon, your wife, who did the work, in order to speed the posting of the results. This was not mentioned at the time of that posting, and had it been, I most certainly would have not ventured to "question" the results, which is my right to do so, publicly or otherwise. Insomuch as I now know what occurred, and having met Sharon, I would not ever be inclined to disparage her or her actions in any way. For whatever slight that my comments might have unknowingly and unintentionally directed at her, I am indeed truly sorry and apologize to her forthwith. >>>>.
Since you state that I did the tabulation and results that I am capable or would be inclined to skew the results.. and therefore put my companies integrity and honour at risk ... Please advise!!
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In light of your revelation of Sharon's involvement, and because of several other issues, I'll state publicly here that both of us have made mistakes, and both of us need to let the issue drop. Futher expounding on this matter publicly only serves to keep issues on the table that are best shelved, and to call attention where no attention is desired. I'll go so far as to state publicly that prior to the SO, I would not have thought it possible that in any way would anything involving the SO be liable to be called onto question. But if an apparent discrepancy in the posted results appears, then by denying anyone the right to respond with a question, you set yourself up as infallible, and totally without the need for review or comment.
You have requested some other conditions privately to which I will respond to privately as well. >>>>>>
Maurice .. these are very serious slanderous, allegations, and attempt to disparage my character and integrity... the character and integrity of my company that financed this event. I think now since this has been viewed by several people in an open forum and that your company as it turns out was representing what you do for financial gain, as written to me post the event I can expect an explanation of these theories and promotions of my character as well as my companies character in such a disparaging way.
<<<< Well I will respond to this, for the sake of clarity. If no other company that provided materials or equipment will publicly state, as many of you have requested that I do, that the express intent of their involvement was NOT commercially oriented in any way, or that they did not in fact hope for some increase in business should their products be reviewed favorably, then I would be greatly surprised. I came up there with you already knowing that I install A/V systems, and with them PJ / DIY Screens. You knew before hand that i wanted to exhibit a controversial approach to Projection Screens, one that obviously is the anti thesis of those that are manufactured. Prior to my arrival we discussed what a good showing might mean for the LF concept and you yourself were offered pre event the opportunity to utilize the LF screen concept for your own Company's benefit. It's all in writing and irrefutable.. How you can infer that somehow, I had decided to take a vow of poverty, forswear any future potential of using my concept for financial profit, and not look forward to some validation of my work by my Peers is beyond my reasoning. That is, unless I use you point of view. >>>>>
In any event, many people have read these allegations by you so ..Please advise.
Robert...
Originally posted by mandarax
MississippiMan..
You make some serious allegations. My company hosts this event and invests several thousand dollars in it therefore you call into question its integrity and credibility with these allegations, and false statements.
You make the following statements.
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Incredible.
Guys, despite all the glowing initial reports, Rob states the SS came in at the bottom of the pile. Strange results that don't reflect the first comments posted by several very knowledgeable individuals, or the plaudits it received in person at the show. Something doesn't add up. From what I saw, and what others
I thought it was stated that an independent company was taking the results and doing the tabulation, but it seems it was really all just done by Rob. A PDF with the results listed as verified by the accountant and on his own letterhead would go much farther in convincing me and now quite a few others that there isn't some skewing of the results going on to satisfy another's agenda.
Hey that's probably not the case anyway, but when posted results fly in the face of popular comments, it does bring of a question of validity.
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These are very serious accusations.
First lets deal with your claim.. starting with..
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Strange results that don't reflect the first comments posted by several very knowledgeable individuals,
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Where are these posts? other than yours of course. that give you the right to make such a statement.
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<<<<Some were on the original Shoot Out Thread, which you have had closed. A few exist from attendees on this thread as well. Also, my comments had root in many likewise comments at the Shoot Out it'self. And to make a point, no where have I complained about the results that involved LF. Not one mention of LF has been made, excepting by yourself and others who support your position. Instead, I called into question results posted about a simple paint solution that experienced quite a lot of favorable reactions live, but then placed dead last when results were published. At no time did I make or plead a case about LF. The SilverScreen solution is completely and entirely a dirt cheap DIY solution that was offered up by me for all to experience, and in as much offers no possibility that I would ever benefit from or expect financial gain from anybody excepting those of my own private clients, who have no knowledge of, or express wish to ever frequent this forum. And said comments were posted on this, a very obscure thread, and not on your own SO thread. It's all pretty much a case of your grandstanding to press a point. >>>>>>>>
You suggest that I am unreliable... or not trust worthy. Please advise!!.. this is a public forum
<<<<< As a Business who deals in such products as were shown, and by holding such an event, and then posting results publicly for comment, without complying with the previously stated conditions that you yourself said, you yourself must accept that others will have the right to question the results. They have that right regardless and without fear of being intimidated, such as your words have been attempting toward me. Nothing in my comments went so far as to directly accuse you or your Company of deceit or misrepresentation. A viewpoint questioning the process and results is not slanderous, and your reaction thus far has been wholly disproportionate to the circumstances. Other factors are in play that fuel your ire, but they are of a personal nature and do not belong on the Forum.
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You suggest that the results are not adequate without the an audit with an accounting firm.. Please advise!!
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<<< On the Original SO Thread, you plainly stated that such a Firm was in fact going to do the tabulation of results. Since then, you have related to me that it was Sharon, your wife, who did the work, in order to speed the posting of the results. This was not mentioned at the time of that posting, and had it been, I most certainly would have not ventured to "question" the results, which is my right to do so, publicly or otherwise. Insomuch as I now know what occurred, and having met Sharon, I would not ever be inclined to disparage her or her actions in any way. For whatever slight that my comments might have unknowingly and unintentionally directed at her, I am indeed truly sorry and apologize to her forthwith. >>>>.
Since you state that I did the tabulation and results that I am capable or would be inclined to skew the results.. and therefore put my companies integrity and honour at risk ... Please advise!!
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In light of your revelation of Sharon's involvement, and because of several other issues, I'll state publicly here that both of us have made mistakes, and both of us need to let the issue drop. Futher expounding on this matter publicly only serves to keep issues on the table that are best shelved, and to call attention where no attention is desired. I'll go so far as to state publicly that prior to the SO, I would not have thought it possible that in any way would anything involving the SO be liable to be called onto question. But if an apparent discrepancy in the posted results appears, then by denying anyone the right to respond with a question, you set yourself up as infallible, and totally without the need for review or comment.
You have requested some other conditions privately to which I will respond to privately as well. >>>>>>
Maurice .. these are very serious slanderous, allegations, and attempt to disparage my character and integrity... the character and integrity of my company that financed this event. I think now since this has been viewed by several people in an open forum and that your company as it turns out was representing what you do for financial gain, as written to me post the event I can expect an explanation of these theories and promotions of my character as well as my companies character in such a disparaging way.
<<<< Well I will respond to this, for the sake of clarity. If no other company that provided materials or equipment will publicly state, as many of you have requested that I do, that the express intent of their involvement was NOT commercially oriented in any way, or that they did not in fact hope for some increase in business should their products be reviewed favorably, then I would be greatly surprised. I came up there with you already knowing that I install A/V systems, and with them PJ / DIY Screens. You knew before hand that i wanted to exhibit a controversial approach to Projection Screens, one that obviously is the anti thesis of those that are manufactured. Prior to my arrival we discussed what a good showing might mean for the LF concept and you yourself were offered pre event the opportunity to utilize the LF screen concept for your own Company's benefit. It's all in writing and irrefutable.. How you can infer that somehow, I had decided to take a vow of poverty, forswear any future potential of using my concept for financial profit, and not look forward to some validation of my work by my Peers is beyond my reasoning. That is, unless I use you point of view. >>>>>
In any event, many people have read these allegations by you so ..Please advise.
Robert...
Your use of the word "allegations" is by your own determination. I call it "questioning the results due to circumstances differing from previously stated intent and know variables from the posted results." If your results were to be taken as pure Gospel, and without the concern of ever being considered unquestionable, then you are of a very special breed of individual. The like of which has not been seen on Earth for 2004 years.
You've made no claims to be of that ilk, so that puts you squarely in the midst of the rest of us.
And be advised, the above posted response was solicited publicly by you, and was not initiated by me in any manner. Do not suppose to turn my own response against me in any way. You have already posted private emails and/or PMs from me to others, publicly on the forum to bolster your case for a grievance, and those actions in and of themselves are serious breaches of confidentiality, by you, and the people who allowed it to happen.
I must now take leave travel to Indianapolis until Wednesday. On or about that date I will "privately" address some of the requests you have made to me, also "privately".
I have removed the offending post, so that future posters on this thread will not be "influenced" by it. Let these folks have thier thread.
Good Day.
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