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post #1291 of 1932
11/18/08 at 11:49am
Hello all. First time poster, long time reader.

Just noticed that all my HD channels except for the locals are gone! Did cable one switch them to the pay side. I just watched Monday night football on ESPN HD last night and now it is gone.

I know for a fact that cable one gets ESPN HD and ESPN2 HD for free. It comes with each subscription of the standard channels.

Did any one else lose their channels. I have Vizios and Toshiba and they are gone.

Great, I get 4 and 11 and lose 8 HD channels.super

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post #1292 of 1932
11/18/08 at 12:21pm
Just read post: #1256

What a joke. The channels in question provide cable one their HD signal for free as part of their standard subscription. I have confirmed this several times with Cable One.

So to understand this right, you have to buy the digital package and then the HD package to get the channels again. What the duce!!!!

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post #1293 of 1932
11/18/08 at 12:23pm
Yes, all HD except for the locals is now encrypted. A DVR or cablecard is needed to get them. They are not on the pay side, per say, except for the cost of a DVR or cablecard to get them. Today must have been the day they threw the switch for the encryption.


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Originally Posted by Franklin_Jackson View Post

Hello all. First time poster, long time reader.

Just noticed that all my HD channels except for the locals are gone! Did cable one switch them to the pay side. I just watched Monday night football on ESPN HD last night and now it is gone.

I know for a fact that cable one gets ESPN HD and ESPN2 HD for free. It comes with each subscription of the standard channels.

Did any one else lose their channels. I have Vizios and Toshiba and they are gone.

Great, I get 4 and 11 and lose 8 HD channels.super

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post #1294 of 1932
11/18/08 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by egftechman View Post

At least KBRR is able to to stay on the air...KCPM has been on and off (mostly off in the last few months) - not that there is anything worthwhile watching on the My network, some of the syndicated programming (like returns of LOST) would be worth having available.

Anyone know what is up with KCPM? Is KVNJ-LP in Fargo on the air?

KCPM filed notice to the FCC to suspend operations (cancel license) due to financial reasons. It still is available on Midcontient cable via fiber. I watch My Network TV for Friday Night Smackdown (since Triple H has returned) and my wife watches Jerry Springer late at night (11:30p-12:30a), and that's about it. Wikipedia says KCPM relays KCPO 26/Sioux Falls, SD with local commercials, though it airs separate programming at night (KCPO is an independent station, meaning no network affiliation, that used to be a UPN affiliate, which moved to a digital subchannel of KELO-TV a few years ago)

I think it's a good idea to move KBRR to the KCGE tower because it'll improve signal...its hard to get a decent signal in analog from their TRF tower right now. As for KGFE moving to KCGE stick...the way I heard it was that PPTV would suspend (cancel license) for KCGE once KGFE is in operation on the KCGE stick, as they would be duplicating programming over the same area.

Once KBRR moves for the conversion, KSRQ-FM 90.1 in TRF (a radio station owned by Northland Community & Technical College), which shares KBRR's current tower, plans to increase power and tower height to bring a stronger signal to Grand Forks (NCTC also has a campus in East Grand Forks, BTW).
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post #1295 of 1932
11/18/08 at 7:45pm
My research shows that KCPM has permission from the FCC to go silent, but that doesn't mean they're asking to have their license canceled... they clearly state in a recent filing that they want to come back on the air again in the future.

- Trip
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post #1296 of 1932
11/18/08 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by Franklin_Jackson View Post

What a joke. The channels in question provide cable one their HD signal for free as part of their standard subscription. I have confirmed this several times with Cable One.

Sadly it doesn't really matter what Cable One pays for a channel (if anything), they can charge whatever they like for it. That said, I doubt ESPN and ESPN2 HD were just given away for free. If that were the case why did Cable One wait so long to give us ESPN2HD? Maybe it was a new negotiation or something and they bundled all the channels into one contract, but I really don't think ESPN just threw in the HD signals for nothing. That would make no business sense.

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Originally Posted by Franklin_Jackson View Post

So to understand this right, you have to buy the digital package and then the HD package to get the channels again. What the duce!!!!

Not exactly. There is no "HD package" (other than the strange one that only gives you Food HD and HDTV HD) but you do need to pay for the equipment that can decode the signals. I'm not sure how much they charge for a CableCARD now, but that's been the cheapest option in the past. Obviously you need a TV (or DVR or other receiver) that accepts a CableCARD to use it though.

I can see the reasoning for encrypting the channels that show movies and original series, but I guess I don't get why ESPN would care if their signal is encrypted or not. They thrive on live programming and I don't see how piracy could be a concern for them. But I guess maybe it's easier to just treat every cable channel the same and encrypt them all. Good thing they're not allowed to encrypt the local channels!
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post #1297 of 1932
11/19/08 at 5:50pm
Glad I bought 2 Samsungs with Qam tuners....now the Qam part is worthless, and so is Cableone.


Time for Dish Network or Direct TV. I'm cancelling Cableone tomorrow.
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post #1298 of 1932
11/19/08 at 8:42pm
I wouldn't blame CableONE, they really have no motivation to prevent paying customers from watching channels they've paid for. I do think this came from the networks, even though that doesn't really make sense either, since most of them post their shows online for free anyway...
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post #1299 of 1932
11/20/08 at 11:42am
If cableone can hurry up and get Fox Sports North in HD, then Im set on what channels i want in HD.

Why the hell is there Disney and ABC family HD? Lame.
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post #1300 of 1932
11/20/08 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by stischucky View Post

If cableone can hurry up and get Fox Sports North in HD, then Im set on what channels i want in HD.

Me too. It would be great to get FSN North HD before the start of baseball season next spring. I guess it is time to send them another email requesting it (again).
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post #1301 of 1932
11/21/08 at 4:48am
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CableONE charges $3 per card for a CableCARD.

See http://brian.glaeske.name/ht/Fargo-HDTV/ for details.
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post #1302 of 1932
11/21/08 at 4:52pm
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post #1303 of 1932
12/2/08 at 9:02pm
KCPM is back on the air on (analog) channel 27 in the Grand Forks area.


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Originally Posted by hotdogs View Post

KCPM filed notice to the FCC to suspend operations (cancel license) due to financial reasons. It still is available on Midcontient cable via fiber. I watch My Network TV for Friday Night Smackdown (since Triple H has returned) and my wife watches Jerry Springer late at night (11:30p-12:30a), and that's about it. Wikipedia says KCPM relays KCPO 26/Sioux Falls, SD with local commercials, though it airs separate programming at night (KCPO is an independent station, meaning no network affiliation, that used to be a UPN affiliate, which moved to a digital subchannel of KELO-TV a few years ago)

I think it's a good idea to move KBRR to the KCGE tower because it'll improve signal...its hard to get a decent signal in analog from their TRF tower right now. As for KGFE moving to KCGE stick...the way I heard it was that PPTV would suspend (cancel license) for KCGE once KGFE is in operation on the KCGE stick, as they would be duplicating programming over the same area.

Once KBRR moves for the conversion, KSRQ-FM 90.1 in TRF (a radio station owned by Northland Community & Technical College), which shares KBRR's current tower, plans to increase power and tower height to bring a stronger signal to Grand Forks (NCTC also has a campus in East Grand Forks, BTW).
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post #1304 of 1932
12/9/08 at 8:49pm
Nice letter in The Forum today Brian.

Also in today's Forum good news about Midcontinent in Moorhead - the city council unanimously approved their request for a cable franchise. Can't wait for more details!
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post #1305 of 1932
12/10/08 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by egftechman View Post

KCPM is back on the air on (analog) channel 27 in the Grand Forks area.

Their FCC application to cease operations was denied.
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post #1306 of 1932
12/12/08 at 8:41am
I'm glad to see the FCC is working in the public interest...

The DTV transition could be good for them, they can rent out subchannels to religious interests and infomercials for additional revenue

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Their FCC application to cease operations was denied.
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post #1307 of 1932
12/14/08 at 5:31pm
Thread Starter 
How much does it cost to get the equipment to insert messages on the HD signal? I can't stand 3 of the stations in town dropping to SD in order to show the cancelations.
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post #1308 of 1932
12/15/08 at 8:54am
And the only channel that can put a scroll on the HD feed has nothing I ever watch on it.
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post #1309 of 1932
12/15/08 at 11:04am
Hello everyone,

I got a new tv (Insignia NS-PDP32) to replace my old Orion crt. We have basic cable from CableOne (plugged into the wall) with which we used to get 5 free local channels.

With the new tv, we still get those 5 channels, but in analog only (channel scan shows 5 analog, 0 digital channels).

The tv has ATSC of course (and apparently QAM too: avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1048985&page=4 ).

What am I missing? Can someone help me please?
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post #1310 of 1932
12/15/08 at 4:34pm
I couldn't find a clear post in there confirming if it has a QAM tuner or not. It doesn't matter if it has an ATSC tuner - that's if you're using an antenna.

The channel scan you're most likely is only looking for ATSC and NTSC channels, not QAM. If it actually does have QAM I think there might be a separate menu for that somewhere.

If you have basic cable, why are you only seeing 5 channels over analog? Shouldn't you be getting about 50? Even if you have the most basic lifeline plan doesn't that have like 15 channels?
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post #1311 of 1932
12/15/08 at 7:07pm
puck71,

When I do the channel scan, I have options of 'air' and 'cable'. So when I scan with the cable option, I guess it is not looking for ATSC channels..

And since it shows number of digital channels tuned through cable (which is 0), it must have a QAM tuner..

I really don't know about getting only 5 channels- these are the five local channels that are available for free- which is what everyone gets at these apartments through the regular cable.

I contacted the local cableOne office and they simply said it was the tv's fault. I then contacted the tv company, and after walking me through a channel scan, they said I need to check with the cable comany (the service with the insignia was being really helpful though). I am going to call CableOne once again at their 800 number.

Any further thoughts?

Update:
Called CableOne, and to make a long story short- they say they "can't help me since I'm not a HD subscriber" !!!! So, they won't even try to make sure I'm getting the free local channels in HD (through their installed cable) unless I pay for more services !
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post #1312 of 1932
12/16/08 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Brian Glaeske View Post

How much does it cost to get the equipment to insert messages on the HD signal? I can't stand 3 of the stations in town dropping to SD in order to show the cancelations.

I can't stand ANY local interruptions. I wish you could choose whether or not you wanted to receive local news on the big four networks.

Weather announcements specifically, it is incredibly annoying when they keep coming up every 5 minutes.
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post #1313 of 1932
12/16/08 at 3:21pm
You can buy a device like this for under $5000 and put it in 720p or 1080p mode - although I/O is DVI, Component, S-video, or composite, no HD-SDI so some conversions may be necessary outside the switcher- and attach the graphics generator to the appropriate input, put it title mode, and you should have the overlay on the HD signal
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Originally Posted by Brian Glaeske View Post

How much does it cost to get the equipment to insert messages on the HD signal? I can't stand 3 of the stations in town dropping to SD in order to show the cancelations.
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post #1314 of 1932
12/16/08 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by neohd View Post

I really don't know about getting only 5 channels- these are the five local channels that are available for free- which is what everyone gets at these apartments through the regular cable.

This may sound like a dumb question, but are you sure it's CableONE? I lived in an apartment in Fargo and they actually had their own cable system, not CableONE.

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Originally Posted by neohd View Post

I contacted the local cableOne office and they simply said it was the tv's fault. I then contacted the tv company, and after walking me through a channel scan, they said I need to check with the cable comany (the service with the insignia was being really helpful though). I am going to call CableOne once again at their 800 number.

Any further thoughts?

What did they tell you to ask CableONE? If the question was if the local channels are transmitted in clear QAM digital, the answer is yes. I'm not sure what other question they would have - everything is standard cable TV format.
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post #1315 of 1932
12/16/08 at 5:08pm
I know its CableOne from the apartment information (plus I have a CableOne account, which the representative verified).

I just updated my previous post with CableOne's response- they were not helpful at all. Insignia had suggested I call the cable company and get them to 'conference call' with Insignia so that the problem could be resolved.

The CableOne representative said:
1) She couldn't help me since I was "not an HD subscriber" (even though I was only asking for the local free channels in HD)
2) and that she was not trained to handle any issues with my TV and I need to contact the TV company
When I said I had already done that, and told about the conference call suggestion, she said she was "not authorized" to do that.
When I asked who would be authorized to do that, she said she didn't know, and I should try talking to the local office ! (The local office was the first place I had contacted, and they were no help).

So as of now, I'm frustrated with CableOne, and am planning on getting an indoor antenna. I was really hoping I wouldn't have to spend on one, but I have given up on getting any meaningful service/response from CableOne.
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post #1316 of 1932
12/16/08 at 9:40pm
It sounds like an issue with the TV to me. CableONE sends the locals in standard clear QAM format, so I really don't know why they'd need to conference in with CableONE. The one thing I'm not sure of is if you'd get the locals in HD if you have JUST the basic package (no digital cable), although I thought you did.
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post #1317 of 1932
12/17/08 at 7:12am
Neohd ... you say your only getting 5 analog channels? Even the most basic analog package I believe has channels 2 through 13 (12 channels). You say you get these 5 for free, and if that is the case, it sounds like something else is going on here. Even this basic package of 12, you have to pay for. If it really is CableONE, it then sounds like either a wiring issue, or that the apartment complex is filtering the channels somehow, if your only getting 5 in analog. If there is some filtering going on, then the frequencies that the clear QAM channels are on, might be being dropped out.
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post #1318 of 1932
12/17/08 at 10:05am
puck71..
It could be a tv issue, but I am not sure. Like I said, some people have reported that it has a QAM tuner, and from its menu, it seems like it might.

dandeson83..
I really have no idea what kind of package I have- although I am sure that its from CableOne. The cable service is a part of the apartment facility here- unfortunately, the apartments have recently said that they will not be continuing service/maintainance for the cable and that we have to resolve issues on our own with CableOne.

Anybody else have (or seen) something like this? A cable connection with only 5 channels coming through?
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post #1319 of 1932
12/17/08 at 8:53pm
Does anyone know what the status of HD locals on DirecTV is for Fargo?
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post #1320 of 1932
12/18/08 at 12:36pm
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Does anyone know what the status of HD locals on DirecTV is for Fargo?

Not too much information except to let you know that DBSTalk.com is your friend - you'll hear it first (and of course if I hear anything I'll post something here).

If it's any consolation, Fargo is 120 on the DMA rankings - and some of the last ones added in November were in that 110-130 DMA range (Rockford, IL; Macon, GA; Sioux Falls!!), so we gotta be getting closer.

Check here for a current listing of HD Locals:
http://members.cox.net/oknewshawk2/DTV_HDLIL_DMA.html

I'm going to be pretty damn peeved if I ever hear that some of that BS wrangling like we had to put up with NBC/CBS and Cable One for a full year holds up DirecTV from putting locals up for us...

(you guys can thank me for getting that NBC/CBS thing taken care of - that finally went through as a direct result of me switching to DirecTV in disgust in October...)
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